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3 minutes ago, Speedtrucker said:

white collar crimes aren’t really crimes!

Buncha NE Texas rubes giving rich fraudsters a pass because [Cloak Room]. Bet they'll happily put the hammer on some Nigerian Medicare fraudsters.

Astonishing.

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if I WAS a juror and it involved anyone who spams/ rips people off; the prosecution would have to royally fuck up to not win that verdict.

But I don't believe in unicorns or bigfoot either...

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Buncha NE Texas rubes giving rich fraudsters a pass because [Cloak Room]. Bet they'll happily put the hammer on some Nigerian Medicare fraudsters.
Astonishing.

Honestly this. We have had a few 30-45 min verdicts on PPP loan frauds involving a lot of Nigerians…

But a company ripping off stores, municipalities, cities, and small business owners by hiding percentage point markups?!? Nah that’s just living the American dream of getting rich and what even are contracts?!?
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On 7/7/2025 at 8:47 AM, TwiceHorn said:

I don't think it's actually difficult for them, they just have a tough time internalizing that "more likely than not" is adequate proof or evidence for anything serious.

On the other hand, I think a lot of people have trouble internalizing what "beyond a reasonable doubt" coupled with the presumption of innocence means in a criminal matter.

And I've been practicing law for 30 plus years and am not wholly sure what "clear and convincing evidence" is 

Preponderance: 50.1%

Clear & Convincing: Upwards of 75% (nobody really knows)

Beyond a Reasonable Doubt: 98%

Presumption of Innocence: State has to prove every element and D doesn't have to prove anything.

 

Not that you can explain it to a jury without just going from the statute unless you like being yelled at by a judge.

 

It's all ball bearings nowadays.

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On 7/7/2025 at 8:56 AM, Jerry Callo said:

That's what I was alluding to.  Clear and convincing is a pain in the ass to explain to a jury.

 

Can we talk about "clear and specific" while we're at it?  Did we really need another standard for TCPA.

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On 7/7/2025 at 12:06 PM, TwiceHorn said:

Buncha NE Texas rubes giving rich fraudsters a pass because [Cloak Room]. Bet they'll happily put the hammer on some Nigerian Medicare fraudsters.

Astonishing.

I don't know how many white-collar criminals they acquit, but the NE Texas rubes still convict some too.  We see plenty of them.  The Medicare fraudsters tend to end up in federal court; so I can't help you with that one.

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