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1 hour ago, VABuckeye said:

We were in Belize and my wife injured her ankle to the point where we thought it was broken.

Our driver took us to the clinic and I took care of the check-in.  Of course, our health insurance was useless and they told me they don't take credit cards.  I was worried about the cost but the person at sign in told me it wouldn't be expensive compared to our US prices.

Doctor, x-rays, ace bandage (just a bad sprain), crutches and a prescription.  $98 and change.  That is how bloated the health care costs are in the US.

I've got a scrip that I was getting in Oz for $20 / month, no insurance at all needed, just the cost. Here in Texas, with an expat health insurance policy, that same medication is $300 a month. Thankfully there are some stupid fucking coupon things to use to get it to $150 / mo. 

Its obvious to anyone we need a two tiered system for basic care/meds and private market system to upgrade according to your financial status. We could make it the best goddamn system in the world, but nah. Lets have one side try at least something and the other destroy it and offer no replacement.

The problem in this country is this is accepted and sometimes celebrated. The problem is the American people are just fucking dumb. Same thing I come to over and over again on every goddamn problem we have. And I hate sounding like that but its obvious why we are here. 

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6 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Sure, but you’ve got two political parties devoted to stopping that.

absolutley, but at least one party tried SOMETHING. sure it was in the confines of the current setup, I get that, but its something.

We will end up at "get money out of the government" with every issue we have. I know, we know. Sad panda. 

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42 minutes ago, staboner said:

absolutley, but at least one party tried SOMETHING. sure it was in the confines of the current setup, I get that, but its something.

100% agree. This isn’t a lboth sides” thing.
Both parties are bad on the healthcare market. Republicans are infinitely worse.

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22 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Preach.

I was in Austria this summer on vacation, and I stupidly left my blood-pressure medication at home.  So I went to a doctor in small-town Tyrol without an appointment.  I had to wait about a half-hour to see the doctor, as I didn't have an appointment.  The doctor saw me, did a quick check-up, and gave me a prescription that I could fill at any apotheke.  Cost for the doctor's visit--70 Euro.  Cost for my meds that normally cost around $200 in the United States: 35 Euro.

Of course, if I'd been an Austrian citizen, it all would've been free.

But yeah--tell me again how we're the greatest country in the world.

"We're the greatest country in the world because if Austria had oil we wanted we'd kick their ass and take it!!!! 'Merica!!!!" - MAGA

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10 hours ago, Derka said:

this is the OP ^^^. they said this would happen and it did. and we aren’t even one year in. the immediate future is bleak.

Every so often I repeat myself but it’s going to get so much worse 

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Posted
11 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

lower cost and better coverage!  it's so easy!  that's why we haven't done shit about it for 15 fucking years. 

i'm pretty convinced they just want all of us to die.

We're going to see something out of them next month when they truly realize how fucked a lot more Americans are, in an election year no less.

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PLease don't take offense, but I'm going to repost the exact thing I said before, which you quoted, and put some things in bold. Forcing the entire working population into solutions optimized for "the poor" is a huge problem for the Democratic party in general and was (along with fealty to employer groups) the primary reason they couldn't get ever get healthcare right, not Republican opposition.
I said:
"It's worse than that. Americans buy the wrong insurance for everything. People should be choosing the highest deductible plans they can afford, because the more they insure, the less they get for their premiums.
The worst aspect of ACA is that it eliminated catastrophic-only HDHPs and required all plans to cover this huge range of routine, predictable expenses you should be using an HSA for. Most people at professional income levels do not need vaccinations, routine checkups, or even generic and low cost meds to be "free", but I'm forced to prepay for those things with insurance, which is just a handout for the carriers and PBMs."
Insurance is a risk management product. It is simply dumb to require people who CAN afford the group discounted out of pocket cost of routine, predictable events to prepay for them through a middle man. It's like using car insurance to pay for oil changes and tire rotations. The entire point I was making is that people who don't need to pay for things like flu shots on a biweekly installment plan (which is what our healthcare plans make us do) shouldn't have to. 

No offense taken, and did skim over those points previously. Fair points.
And it does illustrate a major problem I think Dems/liberals have: how much do you prioritize helping the desperate at the expense of the middle class? The desperate need it more, but neglecting the middle class loses elections.


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