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Posted
1 hour ago, notre dame joe said:

And the computers, and Vegas know that ND is better than Miami and most playoff teams 

Perception when they are looking for a reason to drop you.

Texas would stuff ND and Miami in a locker. Y'all have played a 2 game schedule and lost to both those teams. It is indefensible for Miami to be behind you guys. 

Posted
2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

No one knows how strong or weak a schedule is going to be two years down the road. If I tell someone in December 2023 that a 2025 schedule with:

Tech

Indiana

Ole Miss

A&M

Is 4/7 of the 7 top CFP seeds, no one is taking me seriously. 

certainly there is some randomness.  what they really want is helmet schools to schedule each other to drive viewers.  could those helmet schools suck that year? Yes possible but if it is early in the year everyone is excited and the helmet schools will likely be ranked(not that it is fair, it is just what it is).

the portal will increase the potential randomness.

basically the only thing I have seen the committee give a shit about as it relates to big ten and sec, other than losses, is H2H and that is only really when they are significantly forced to consider it.  they have to because it involves a win or a loss and not a "metric" but it only involves "tied" teams.  They could really screw the pooch with their considerations a) the Texas OSU OOC game and b) H2H(Miami/ND).  they already don't give a shit about SOS. common opponents seems fucked as well.  Texas 2-0 vs 1-1 against ND.

SEC/Big Ten are grouped by losses and in general ACC(minus Miami/FSU/Clemson) and Big 12 have to have 1 fewer losses than those 2 conferences to be sprinkled in, SOS be damned.  Big 12 is hurt by not having a "helmet school" and ACC has new helmet in Miami, FSU, Clemson.  Big 12 is better overall than ACC though.

IMO, the SOR was specifically created to give them significant cover so they can use the loss column.  Your are telling me that the schools in the top 14 on SOR are the exact same 14 that are listed by the CFP but that SOR is not almost completely related/weighted to the loss column?

TLDR: do everything in your power to minimize the number in the loss column

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Posted
3 hours ago, BigHornedLurker said:

nothing seems to punish them, why play them ? 

3 hours ago, irishtexan said:

All of college football needs to stop scheduling ND until they fucking join a conference. 

3 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's far beyond time to end their special treatment. On top of that, they get to play a bunch of games that mean nothing toward the conference standings of any team they play, so their games mean that much less.

They're never going to do it on their own, you have to give them no choice. It's time.

the opponents in the following games would need to cancel these games in a joint press release:

2026: wisconsin, michigan state, purdue, usc

2027: purdue, michigan state, auburn

2028: texas, arkansas, purdue, auburn

2029: alabama, texas

2030: indiana, alabama

2031: indiana, florida

2032: florida

2033: michigan

2034: michigan

by conference (number of games):

b1g: indiana (2), michigan (2), michigan state (2), purdue (3), usc (1), wisconsin (1)

sec: alabama (2),, arkansas (1), auburn (2), florida (2), Texas (2)

summary:

b1g: 6 teams, 11 games

sec: 5 teams, 9 games

rig12: 0 games scheduled

acc/g5: not listed, not relevant

 

 

40 minutes ago, Royale with cheese said:

Actually, there are four: Notrefuckindame, UConn, Sacramento State, and Merrimack. ND is probably working hard behind the scenes to schedule all three of them for 2026--you know, birds of a feather, and like that.

domer and uconn are the only 2 fbs independents

Posted
2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Sounds great if you can do it. Props to Notre Dame.

Not nearly as lucratively. Notre Dame is unique in that regard. 

Yeah, and I think that the history of how it went down and how we got to super-conferences provides more context. I, for one, applaud ND for telling the rest of the world to fuck off. They are playing by the rules the giants of the CFB set. 
 

- ND tried to join the Big Ten. Twice, I believe.  They were turned down. And in a fit of anti-Papism, which was a potent political force at the time, the precursor to the Big Ten organized a boycott from scheduling them.

- In response they took their show on the road and built a national brand and fan-base of “Catholics.” By mid-century the Big Ten would have taken them but why would ND want to now? 
 

- Through the 1980s being an independent power was nothing odd and no one blinked an eye. ND won NCs, so did PSU, Pitt, Miami, or got bent over FSU’s rise. 
 

- In 1984 UGA and OU sued the NCAA to break their monopoly on national TV media rights, as proxies for the SEC/Big 8. ND did not join that suit. The end result was that schools or conferences could bargain their rights. This is the moment where conferences ceased being regional alliances and became money-making sports cartels. This is why the SWC no longer made any sense, and why college football fans suddenly started caring about media market presence. 

- Within a decade all the other independents joined. Note— they didn’t have to and could have sold rights like ND did. There were no offers worth more to them than joining a consortium would be. Note also, Texas approached CBS about an ND-like deal in the 1990s and got told “not now.”
 

- Notre Dame, as you mention, could make the numbers work and they did it with NBC. They could do it because of their own brand-building for decades and because power conferences sued the NCAA to give them the structure to do it. 
 

Yes, ND is uniquely positioned to make money outside of a conference. That provides some competitive advantages. But they’re playing by the rules others set. I don’t see the SEC/Big Ten powerhouses waving their hands to voluntarily disarm their NIL qualitative advantage. Them’s the breaks, and getting overly agitated at ND for playing really well in the game others designed comes off as really sour grapes, as does continually trying to force others to abandon an advantage thet came by fairly. 
 

Let’s talk first about a NCAA-wide voluntary NIL salary cap or NIL redistribution before changing rules to make ND go in on a revenue redistribution scheme they don’t want a part of. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

By mid-century the Big Ten would have taken them but why would ND want to now?

All of these teams were in the same "NCAA Division" prior to 1978 and were Independent in 1950:

Army
Boston College
Boston University
Brown
Butler Bulldogs
Colgate
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Drexel
Duquesne
Fordham
Franklin & Marshall
Georgetown
Harvard
Holy Cross
John Carroll
Loyola Marymount
Marquette
Miami (FL)
Michigan State
Montana Grizzlies
Navy
Notre Dame
Pacific
Penn State
Pittsburgh (Pitt)
Princeton
Rutgers
San Francisco
San Jose State
Santa Clara
Syracuse
Temple
Thiel
Toledo
Villanova
Yale 

Posted
1 hour ago, Uncle Nate said:

Yet, the same people who in this situation will say common opponents is a fool's errand will then turn around and say it's o.k. to lambast Tech and BYU because Tech got beat by ASU who got beat by MSU (on a last second TD due to broken coverage the 2nd week of the year).

Somehow the entire Big 12 gets to be judged on that one loss, but anywhere else transitive properties or common opponents are not viable criteria or metrics.  

 


ima stop you there. Tell me, what good OOC wins did the B12 get? 0-3 vs the SEC. Beat a garbage UCLA team….. ??? The B12 gets judged because it’s a bunch of mid tier programs that didn’t over achieve OOC. 

Posted

THIS is why everything is all fucked up:

ACC:  $17M/school/year

SEC: $68.75M/school/year

Big 10: $71.875M/school/year

Big XII: $22M/school/year going to $31.7M/school/year in 2026.

ND:  $50M/year from NBC + $17M from ACC/year = $67M/year

CFP payouts: 

$4M+$3M (12)

$4M+$3M (8)

$6M+$3M (4)

$6M+$3M (2)

Semifinalists would receive max payout of $32M each.

 

In order to reach scheduling parity required for a fair playoff seeding system, there would have to be massive conference realignment.  From there, the payouts to each school would have to be adjusted requiring a massive amount of negotiation and huge complications.  What should happen is that each school gets a payout commensurate with their brand value. (Texas just happens to have the highest brand value in college sports - hee, hee.)  Or, it could be a tiered system, like everyone in Tier 1 gets $XX, Tier 2 gets $YY. It never could be equal payments for all because there is too big of a disparity between the most valuable brands and the least.  The teams that would get royally fucked by this are the lower value teams in the SEC and Big 10.  We're talking a swing of $40M per year or something like that.

Here would be my proposed realignment with 7 divisions of ten teams each, which are roughly regional and include roughly equal strength of teams.

Northwest

Oregon

Washington

BYU

Utah

TCU

Colorado

Cal

Stanford

Oregon St.

Washington St.

Southwest

Texas

Oklahoma (sux)

USC

UCLA

Texas Tech

Arizona

Arizona St.

Baylor

Oklahoma St.

SMU

Midwest

Notre Dame

Wisconsin

Northwestern

Nebraska

Illinois

Minnesota

Iowa

Iowa St.

Kansas 

Kansas St.

South

Texas A&M (sux)

LSU

Alabama

Auburn

Houston

Arkansas

Missouri

Mississippi St.

Ole Miss

South Carolina

Southeast

Georgia

Florida

Tennessee

UCF

Georgia Tech

Wake Forest

Vanderbilt

Louisville

Kentucky

Virginia Tech

Atlantic

Clemson

Florida St.

Miami

North Carolina

Duke

NC State

Virginia

Maryland

Rutgers

Boston College

North

Ohio State

Michigan

Penn St.

Syracuse

Pitt

Michigan St.

West Virginia

Purdue

Indiana

Cincinnati

 

Top 2 from each division make the playoffs plus two at large teams. No early signing period. No early enrollees. National signing day is second Friday in February. Nobody can talk to a coach until his season is over. Portal open March 1st through May 1st.  Spring practices are in May after finals.  $20M per school in player payroll that increases 5-10% each year.  Unlimited LEGITIMATE NIL that is heavily policed and penalized.

 

 

Posted

anwar asking snakey just now about us

snakey: 16 eligible to start, there is a path for teams with multiple losses, sec presents to the committee weekly, sec has 7 sec feels should be considered, all of sec differences should be considered in comparison to others

presser ended

Posted
6 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

All of these teams were in the same "NCAA Division" prior to 1978 and were Independent in 1950:

Army
Boston College
Boston University
Brown
Butler Bulldogs
Colgate
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Drexel
Duquesne
Fordham
Franklin & Marshall
Georgetown
Harvard
Holy Cross
John Carroll
Loyola Marymount
Marquette
Miami (FL)
Michigan State
Montana Grizzlies
Navy
Notre Dame
Pacific
Penn State
Pittsburgh (Pitt)
Princeton
Rutgers
San Francisco
San Jose State
Santa Clara
Syracuse
Temple
Thiel
Toledo
Villanova
Yale 

Right, and the bulk of those dropped to D-1AA when it was created.  The remaining D1A programs save Notre Dame couldn’t make the numbers work as Indy after SCOTUS broke the NCAA National TV monopoly.  Again; that was not a suit ND filed or joined and every school in the NCAA is free to try and do what they did. 

Posted
9 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Y'all are weird. No AD is going to cancel a ND series, not because of CFP stuff at least. 

why not?

boycott, embargo, whatever

they still get to play acc teams

it would then be down to your conference to hold the line and not schedule them

yormark should like that - the rig could be the hero

Posted
Just now, 956 Worldwide said:

Right, and the bulk of those dropped to D-1AA when it was created.  The remaining D1A programs save Notre Dame couldn’t make the numbers work as Indy after SCOTUS broke the NCAA National TV monopoly.  Again; that was not a suit ND filed or joined and every school in the NCAA is free to try and do what they did. 

and everyone is free not to play them if they are not in the acc

goes both ways

Posted
1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:

why not?

boycott, embargo, whatever

they still get to play acc teams

it would then be down to your conference to hold the line and not schedule them

yormark should like that - the rig could be the hero

Because ADs aren't overly-reactionary like message board fans and aren't going to do that becasue of one year in which a couple of programs have a grievance being left out. They made the title game just last year so it's not like they haven't proven capable. They don't have any Big XII programs on their future schedules that I can tell anyway.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

why not?

boycott, embargo, whatever

they still get to play acc teams

it would then be down to your conference to hold the line and not schedule them

yormark should like that - the rig could be the hero

That would be a painful lawsuit that ND would file and probably win. 

Posted
30 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Because ADs aren't overly-reactionary like message board fans and aren't going to do that becasue of one year in which a couple of programs have a grievance being left out. They made the title game just last year so it's not like they haven't proven capable. They don't have any Big XII programs on their future schedules that I can tell anyway.

Most of the “solutions” to ND that are being floated run afoul of antitrust pretty quickly, which is deeply ironic given that the gripe is over alleged unfair treatment that ND receives. 
 

An explicit or tacit agreement to not do business with a competitor to force them to join a revenue-share model with you is very much anti-competitive. 

Posted
2 hours ago, Uncle Nate said:

Yet, the same people who in this situation will say common opponents is a fool's errand will then turn around and say it's o.k. to lambast Tech and BYU because Tech got beat by ASU who got beat by MSU (on a last second TD due to broken coverage the 2nd week of the year).

Somehow the entire Big 12 gets to be judged on that one loss, but anywhere else transitive properties or common opponents are not viable criteria or metrics.  

It's like the aggies saying Tech sucks because it lost to ASU who lost to MSU, but then they do not see any correlation at all to them losing to UT who lost to a bad Florida team.  We need to get rid of using one game to determine the relative strengths or weaknesses of an entire conference.  Sometimes good teams get upset.  It happens.

I never thought the Big 12 was being judged for Tech losing to ASU. I think folks understand that can happen against a decent team. I think the Big 12 is judged based on a pretty poor out of conference record against the other major conferences and a perceived (and frankly real) talent gap. It is also judged for not having any helmet schools. Just the way it is. A conference full of historically minor programs will be treated as such until it demonstrates otherwise. 

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I never thought the Big 12 was being judged for Tech losing to ASU. I think folks understand that can happen against a decent team. I think the Big 12 is judged based on a pretty poor out of conference record against the other major conferences and a perceived (and frankly real) talent gap. It is also judged for not having any helmet schools. Just the way it is. A conference full of historically minor programs will be treated as such until it demonstrates otherwise. 

We were second only to the SEC in our 2025 OOC record:

https://topdan.com/college-football-conference-records/2025.html

2025 College Football Conference Records

Posted (edited)
13 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

This gets even more painful for everyone but the SEC once you eliminate the PAC-12 win column. LOL. 
 

 

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Posted (edited)
33 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

Why is the PAC-12 on here? Washington State and Oregon State are a combined 8-16. That’s the entire PAC-12. It’s not even a glorified MWC (yet). James Madison just beat PAC-12 champion Wazzou 24-20. The fuck outta here. 

The B12 is being treated similar to the ACC. The ACC is doing all it can to not get a bid. 

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Posted
35 minutes ago, B00M said:

Why is the PAC-12 on here? Washington State and Oregon State are a combined 8-16. That’s the entire PAC-12. It’s not even a glorified MWC (yet). James Madison just beat PAC-12 champion Wazzou 24-20. The fuck outta here. 

The B12 is being treated similar to the ACC. The ACC is doing all it can to not get a bid. 

The SEC’s losses against the P4 plus ND were: 

Ohio State (TX)

Miami (FL)

FSU (Bama)

Clemson (USCe)

Louisville (KY)

Notre Dame (Arkie)

So 3/6 losses came to CFP/bubble teams, and one of those CFP team also ate a SEC loss aside from beating a bad Arkie. The only upset or “bad” loss was FSU over Alabama. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, B00M said:

Coincidentally, Louisville also beat Miami and James Madison. 

Only one loss to an P4/ND team with a losing record (FSU). Both of the Big XII SEC losses came to teams with losing records (MSU, Auburn). It’s not the top of the SEC beating up on the bottom of others. 

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