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7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Bro, there was nothing the receiver did or did not do that was going to stop the DB from getting to that ball by where it was located. I get the receiver didn't run the crispest route, but come on bro. Location was off. It's okay to say "Arch threw a bad ball". It's not going to hurt you. He threw plenty of good balls later.

But we are getting away from the point, which is he gets open easily on his targets. We just didn't really target him.

My goal in 2026 is not to argue with you as much. So I concede the ball location part of the discussion.

Wait. He was a decoy on the second one and ended up being the checkdown. He did not even run route. What about that proved his ability to get open?

the 3rd one was a play design; he did not have to beat anyone one. The A&M defender was put in conflict and got caught looking at the shallow route.

The 1st one was man and I think we can agree the route was poor and he misplayed the ball. If you watch the replay, the area Livingstone vacated by jumping backwards and extended his arms forward (that is not a technique taught to WRs) was the area the DB ran through. I said the ball was a little behind, but rounding off route is part of the reason. This why I love your Arch criticisms. You see him throw a deep out with a defender in his face, you admit the WR ran a poor route, and your criticism is about throw being a yard inside. It not the protection. It is not the route, which you admit was poor, but still want to use as an example that the WR is doing everything right and him leaving is on Arch and Sark.

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1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

Wait. He was a decoy on the second one and ended up being the checkdown. He did not even run route. What about that proved his ability to get open?

the 3rd one was a play design; he did not have to beat anyone one. The A&M defender was put in conflict and got caught looking at the shallow route.

The 1st one was man and I think we can agree the route was poor and he misplayed the ball. If you watch the replay, the area Livingstone vacated by jumping backwards and extended his arms forward (that is not a technique taught to WRs) was the area the DB ran through. I said the ball was a little behind, but rounding of route is part of the reason. This why I love your Arch criticisms. You see him throw a deep out with a defender in his face, you admit the WR ran a poor route, and your criticism the throw is about a yard inside. It not the protection. It is not the route, which you admit was poor, but still want to use as an example that the WR is doing everything right and him leaving is on Arch and Sark.

I said he gets open, not does everything right. Of course hig game needs work he is a freshman. That's what WR coaches are for. I am not going to spend a bunch of time arguing with you. You won't find a single coach that will say that was a good ball. Not one. I will also send you the all 22 for all the games I have and you can point me to where he struggled to get open. The Tape doesn't lie. Cignetti, a guy who does a pretty good job of evaluating talent, offered him a spot. The kid isn't a five star, but he is a solid player, especially considering he is a freshman.

7 hours ago, texasdago said:

Honestly, I liked Livingstone

Liked past tense

Dude did not handle things the right way on the way out and may end up a Sooner. F that.

he makes this roster better

3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I said he gets open, not does everything right. Of course hig game needs work he is a freshman. That's what WR coaches are for. I am not going to spend a bunch of time arguing with you. You won't find a single coach that will say that was a good ball. Not one. I will also send you the all 22 for all the games I have and you can point me to where he struggled to get open. The Tape doesn't lie. Cignetti, a guy who does a pretty good job of evaluating talent, offered him a spot. The kid isn't a five star, but he is a solid player, especially considering he is a freshman.

Fuck cignetti and why Stan for an ou receiver on a Texas message board boss ?

Just now, Thatguy said:

I said he gets open, not does everything right. Of course hig game needs work he is a freshman. That's what WR coaches are for. I am not going to spend a bunch of time arguing with you. You won't find a single coach that will say that was a good ball. Not one. I will also send you the all 22 for all the games I have and you can point me to where he struggled to get open. The Tape doesn't lie. Cignetti, a guy who does a pretty good job of evaluating talent, offered him a spot. The kid isn't a five star, but he is a solid player, especially considering he is a freshman.

I said he struggle to get open in the first 10 yards. I did not say he never got open. I said the ball was a yard inside. I did also that was a decent ball with a defender in his face. I think most coaches would agree with that. They are aware it is hard to throw 20-30 yard out with a DE in your face. The would also say that was a poor route and why the hell is he jumping backwards, instead of attacking the ball. I completely agree he can get better. I never said he was a lost cause.

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16 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Can we give them back the running back coach?

What if he can actually coach the RB's we do have? We don't need Baugh for him to be a good coach, he's not Chad Scott, who can wipe his ass with razor wire for all I care, just for running off Gibson.

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18 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

What if he can actually coach the RB's we do have? We don't need Baugh for him to be a good coach, he's not Chad Scott, who can wipe his ass with razor wire for all I care, just for running off Gibson.

I guess if he can’t coach them up, maybe he can fight them

1 minute ago, Hookem10 said:

Fuck cignetti and why Stan for an ou receiver on a Texas message board boss ?

You are missing the big picture. Livingstone and McCutcheon are both from Lovejoy. Say they both get pushed out after their first year you can say goodbye to getting recruits from Lovejoy going forward. Same with Dibble and the punter from Atascocita. I worry about us burning bridges to high schools that have good talent because of our inability to get kids coached up/minutes/ keep them feeling like they are part of the program. All these kids know each other and are paying attention to what's going on with the classes before them. They talk. If our high school recruits keep not working out we are going to start losing them. That's my real worry.

That's the shit that was happening in the 2000's. Ricky(we all love Ricky) was having his issues staying on the field. Cedric flamed out. The big 3 receivers flamed out. We started to be known as the school that couldn't develop offensive players. Then we stop getting them. Texas has not produced one Mike Evans. Look how many LSU got. That's my worry. You start to develop a rep and then the well dries up.

57 minutes ago, TejasPedro said:

We might be heading into the area of having to sacrifice a Surly Virgin. This is getting to be pretty redamndiculous!

who on the CR board would you volunteer?

We may be as short on Surly Virgins as we are on running backs.

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56 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

I can't be both, asshole. Pick one.

I'm sorry, Parker. Maybe don't be mid and lose your spot to a kid two classes below you and you wouldn't have to live in that shit hole Norman, and then Sac State when you failed at ou.

You’re not. Keep posting and I’ll let you know. Just following the “average to below average” cadence of your PL assessment.

The guy is dead to me. But that is a hyperbolic, stupid ass view of a freshman that was successful.

44 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You are missing the big picture. Livingstone and McCutcheon are both from Lovejoy. Say they both get pushed out after their first year you can say goodbye to getting recruits from Lovejoy going forward. Same with Dibble and the punter from Atascocita. I worry about us burning bridges to high schools that have good talent because of our inability to get kids coached up/minutes/ keep them feeling like they are part of the program. All these kids know each other and are paying attention to what's going on with the classes before them. They talk. If our high school recruits keep not working out we are going to start losing them. That's my real worry.

That's the shit that was happening in the 2000's. Ricky(we all love Ricky) was having his issues staying on the field. Cedric flamed out. The big 3 receivers flamed out. We started to be known as the school that couldn't develop offensive players. Then we stop getting them. Texas has not produced one Mike Evans. Look how many LSU got. That's my worry. You start to develop a rep and then the well dries up.

That makes sense in all but what about the players that do develop , do they not talk. Also I’ve been waiting for a lot of teams that burn bridges get fucked but it seems we’re the only bad guys I guess. I’ve seen and read plenty about player a-b-c from a high school get fucked or pushed out from a certain high school and that high school still sends players to same school. With money involved it might change that narrative maybe. Before nil Oklahoma would have a Texas player flame out and they would push him out or Alabama would do the same thing and ppl would be “ high school coaches won’t let their kids go there anymore , they cut the line for Texas kids “. Newsflash , they still went to those schools.

These kids are technically pros now so they better get used to business decisions. Earn your pay and make yourself indispensable and you will be paid. Just like any job in the real world.

58 minutes ago, Cruz in Aledo said:

You’re not. Keep posting and I’ll let you know. Just following the “average to below average” cadence of your PL assessment.

The guy is dead to me. But that is a hyperbolic, stupid ass view of a freshman that was successful.

"Successful" doing a lot of heavy lifting there, bud. If successful you mean getting cleaned up by aggy, UGA, Michigan, ou, and Vandy...you know, schools that were ranked and he did nothing to alter the games, then sure, he's been a rousing "success." Lol, wtf were you watching? He scored against the likes of Arky, SJSU, and Miss St, oh and he scored in the first game against Ohio State late, but SUCCCESS!!!! Those 8 drops were fucking awesome, too!

Tell us more about how he did against his supposed "peers" in the upper echelon of programs and blue bloods and rivals? A no-show, you say? Well holy shit! Look at this fucking success story.

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

I guess if he can’t coach them up, maybe he can fight them

NGL, that would be fucking hilarious.

2 hours ago, Codaxx said:

It is not a drop if it is bad pass. You can only drop catchable passes.

My former high school football coach said "if you can touch the ball you can catch it". Again, coachspeak but mostly true. Even in the 70s when I played.

1 hour ago, NBHorn7 said:

We may be as short on Surly Virgins as we are on running backs.

Oxymoron??

1 minute ago, NashLonghorn said:

Oxymoron??

Not sure if they are oxymorons, but probably not the sharpest crayons in the box. 😃

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12 minutes ago, NashLonghorn said:

My former high school football coach said "if you can touch the ball you can catch it". Again, coachspeak but mostly true. Even in the 70s when I played.

You should catch with your hands, not let the ball get in to your tits.

My coach said if you can touch the ball, what he fuck are you doing on the field and get back on the bench.

40 minutes ago, NashLonghorn said:

Oxymoron??

No, but straight out of the Department of Redundancy Department.

1 hour ago, William Bludworth said:

"Successful" doing a lot of heavy lifting there, bud. If successful you mean getting cleaned up by aggy, UGA, Michigan, ou, and Vandy...you know, schools that were ranked and he did nothing to alter the games, then sure, he's been a rousing "success." Lol, wtf were you watching? He scored against the likes of Arky, SJSU, and Miss St, oh and he scored in the first game against Ohio State late, but SUCCCESS!!!! Those 8 drops were fucking awesome, too!

Tell us more about how he did against his supposed "peers" in the upper echelon of programs and blue bloods and rivals? A no-show, you say? Well holy shit! Look at this fucking success story.

Vs aggy, ou, UGA, Vandy, and Michigan

Ryan Wingo- 26 catches for 319 and 3 TDs - 12.27 per reception

Parker Livingstone- 12 catches for 158 and 1 TD - 13.17 per reception

Only one of these guys were we trying to scheme open and get the ball to.

1 hour ago, Hookem10 said:

That makes sense in all but what about the players that do develop , do they not talk. Also I’ve been waiting for a lot of teams that burn bridges get fucked but it seems we’re the only bad guys I guess. I’ve seen and read plenty about player a-b-c from a high school get fucked or pushed out from a certain high school and that high school still sends players to same school. With money involved it might change that narrative maybe. Before nil Oklahoma would have a Texas player flame out and they would push him out or Alabama would do the same thing and ppl would be “ high school coaches won’t let their kids go there anymore , they cut the line for Texas kids “. Newsflash , they still went to those schools.

These kids are technically pros now so they better get used to business decisions. Earn your pay and make yourself indispensable and you will be paid. Just like any job in the real world.

Most of the dudes in the portal are leaving their school because they aren't being utilized, which means they aren't Jeremiah Smith. So the negative stories outweigh the positives. The Big Dawgs are usually using who they recruited. So burning bridges is way more harmful to us than it is to a lesser school.

Times are different now. When Bama was pushing out players, they had 5 stars on top of 5 stars, so they still won, and kids like going to a winner. However, look at them since the portal. Line isn't great. Can't run the football. Defense is shaky. They no longer can just load up on 5 star kids, so misses and kids opted elsewhere hurt a lot more than they used to.

You are thinking about the last part wrong. You said earn your pay. Well, Sark has a short rotation so unless someone in front of you gets knicked up, you aren't getting an opportunity to earn your pay. Seriously, Lockett came in and grabbed two balls and a touch. He probably been pissed off the whole season knowing he was balling in practice but couldn't crack the lineup. That little bit of run he got might just have saved him from entering the portal.

you have several targets we were after, on teams with worse seasons than we had and not projected to be any better, chosing to stay with their teams; meanwhile we had an exodus of players, despite songs of culture, kumbaya and all of that.

Believe it or not, but OTF is saying that Christian Clark might enter the portal.

Sounds like he wants a new deal like Wisner did.

This is the way of college football now.

3 hours ago, Thatguy said:

You are missing the big picture. Livingstone and McCutcheon are both from Lovejoy. Say they both get pushed out after their first year you can say goodbye to getting recruits from Lovejoy going forward. Same with Dibble and the punter from Atascocita. I worry about us burning bridges to high schools that have good talent because of our inability to get kids coached up/minutes/ keep them feeling like they are part of the program. All these kids know each other and are paying attention to what's going on with the classes before them. They talk. If our high school recruits keep not working out we are going to start losing them. That's my real worry.

That's the shit that was happening in the 2000's. Ricky(we all love Ricky) was having his issues staying on the field. Cedric flamed out. The big 3 receivers flamed out. We started to be known as the school that couldn't develop offensive players. Then we stop getting them. Texas has not produced one Mike Evans. Look how many LSU got. That's my worry. You start to develop a rep and then the well dries up.

You clearly don't follow recruiting. It's not 2010 anymore this kind of stuff just doesn't matter anymore NIL and playing time trump all.

Just now, NBHorn7 said:

Believe it or not, but OTF is saying that Christian Clark might enter the portal.

Sounds like he wants a new deal like Wisner did.

This is the way of college football now.

Look at it from his perspective. Sark parked his ass on the bench with nary a care about his future. Now all the sudden the tables have flipped and he should be loyal? If Wisner didn't ask for more money and CJ was healthy Clark would've never seen the field. Now he has a little leverage and is probably pissed.

3 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

You clearly don't follow recruiting. It's not 2010 anymore this kind of stuff just doesn't matter anymore NIL and playing time trump all.

I follow recruiting I just don't participate on our board with the blowhards, and that's exactly what I said. We don't get guys in the rotation and we expect them to feel something for the program? Why would they? No snaps and a kid is hearing you aren't good enough to play here. Some snaps and a kid is hearing you are next. Throwing kids some scraps matters. It shows you believe in them and then maybe just maybe they don't bend your ass over when it comes time to negotiate.

Ten more days of this crap…..this is worse than high school recruit signing day.

3 hours ago, William Bludworth said:

"Successful" doing a lot of heavy lifting there, bud. If successful you mean getting cleaned up by aggy, UGA, Michigan, ou, and Vandy...you know, schools that were ranked and he did nothing to alter the games, then sure, he's been a rousing "success." Lol, wtf were you watching? He scored against the likes of Arky, SJSU, and Miss St, oh and he scored in the first game against Ohio State late, but SUCCCESS!!!! Those 8 drops were fucking awesome, too!

Tell us more about how he did against his supposed "peers" in the upper echelon of programs and blue bloods and rivals? A no-show, you say? Well holy shit! Look at this fucking success story.

NGL, that would be fucking hilarious.

I don’t even have to make a case for you. You’re doing a fine job on your own. Peace homey.

6 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Ten more days of this crap…..this is worse than high school recruit signing day.

It is wildly entertaining watching the freakout, though.

4 hours ago, William Bludworth said:

What if he can actually coach the RB's we do have? We don't need Baugh for him to be a good coach, he's not Chad Scott, who can wipe his ass with razor wire for all I care, just for running off Gibson.

Gibson ran off Gibson.

If the dude could hold onto the ball, he’d still be at Texas.

1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

Vs aggy, ou, UGA, Vandy, and Michigan

Ryan Wingo- 26 catches for 319 and 3 TDs - 12.27 per reception

Parker Livingstone- 12 catches for 158 and 1 TD - 13.17 per reception

Only one of these guys were we trying to scheme open and get the ball to.

And one of those guys had a RS year to shore up any issues, and...well, here we are. He should not be dropping passes when his roommate is literally Arch Manning.

Wingo: Ohio State - 2/29 17.5 ypc; ou - 5/35 7 ypc; Miss St - 5/185 38 ypc; Vandy 2/89 44.5 ypc (I believe he got hurt); UGA - 9/62 7 ypc: Arky - 6/81 13.5 ypc; aggy - 4/ 34 8 ypc; UM - 4/64 16 ypc (he was out the second half with injury - 7 games with 50+ yards. He scored against UGA, Vandy, Aggy, UF (I'm only naming teams that have a name from Florida and after). Others were UTEP, SHSU. Recp - 95th and yards 57th.

Parker: Ohio State 2/47 22.5 ypc (good); ou - 2/29 14 ypc; Vandy 2/21 10 ypc; UGA - 2/17 8 ypc; 2/104 52 ypc (best game and 2nd game with over 100, first being SJSU); aggy - 1/19 19 ypc; UM - 3/25 8 ypc - 2 games with over 50 yards. Scored against Ohio State (name school, I'll add it and break my own rule), Arky, Miss St, other than those two his others came against SJSU (2 TDs). That's where the TD's came from - 2 SJSU, 1 OSU, 2 Miss St, 1 Arky. Not a murderers now there, so it's skewed. Both receptions and yards are 150+

We were trying to scheme open both WR's since they both play the X. Tf? If you want to die on the hill that Livingstone is some loss, have at it. The numbers say otherwise. It's not hard to upgrade from him. Obviously Wingo is the name WR, but don't act like Livingstone wasn't schemed to be open and dropped passes. Name a single elite trait he posses. Name anything that can't be replaced.

Once Mosley got healthy he took Livingstone's catches for obvious reasons, and only played the last 5 games, yet still had 400 yards and 3 TD's. He essentially has Golden-like hands. He dropped 2 passes.

6 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

Gibson ran off Gibson.

If the dude could hold onto the ball, he’d still be at Texas.

Chad Scott ran him off because he's a shitty RB coach. None of the RB'S liked him, but I agree he left instesd of sticking it out. It's why Scott got his walking papers after one season. He was apparently a gigantic asshole. He has one credited fumble for 2025. I guess he could hold on to the ball just fine the first 5 games.

Just now, NBHorn7 said:


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We knew this was coming. After every other lineman outside of Goosby, Baker, Brooks, Cojoe, Chatman, and the RS and true frosh, we have...bodies.

Burton confirmed it on OTF also.

1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

I follow recruiting I just don't participate on our board with the blowhards, and that's exactly what I said. We don't get guys in the rotation and we expect them to feel something for the program? Why would they? No snaps and a kid is hearing you aren't good enough to play here. Some snaps and a kid is hearing you are next. Throwing kids some scraps matters. It shows you believe in them and then maybe just maybe they don't bend your ass over when it comes time to negotiate.

Clark looked terrible in the earlier snaps that he got...

5 hours ago, Thatguy said:

You are missing the big picture. Livingstone and McCutcheon are both from Lovejoy. Say they both get pushed out after their first year you can say goodbye to getting recruits from Lovejoy going forward. Same with Dibble and the punter from Atascocita. I worry about us burning bridges to high schools that have good talent because of our inability to get kids coached up/minutes/ keep them feeling like they are part of the program. All these kids know each other and are paying attention to what's going on with the classes before them. They talk. If our high school recruits keep not working out we are going to start losing them. That's my real worry.

That's the shit that was happening in the 2000's. Ricky(we all love Ricky) was having his issues staying on the field. Cedric flamed out. The big 3 receivers flamed out. We started to be known as the school that couldn't develop offensive players. Then we stop getting them. Texas has not produced one Mike Evans. Look how many LSU got. That's my worry. You start to develop a rep and then the well dries up.

Golden, Worthy , Duverny, Bijan are offended by your take. And to be fair, just how many Mike Evans walk the earth?

OL looking super thin. UGA and Wincy OLs just emerged in the portal. We will probably have to lean on the portal to fill critical OL spots for the next 3 years. At least 2. Just shocking in our second, going on third year in the SEC we have Jackola in OL players on the roster.

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I was wondering which thread ThatGuy took his Livingstone soap box to

The OL situation is just beyond hilarious but completely predictable. Sark will walk out the door with the boat anchor taking him under...

3 hours ago, NBHorn7 said:

Believe it or not, but OTF is saying that Christian Clark might enter the portal.

Sounds like he wants a new deal like Wisner did.

This is the way of college football now.

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2 hours ago, dcar00 said:

The OL situation is just beyond hilarious but completely predictable. Sark will walk out the door with the boat anchor taking him under...

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2 hours ago, dcar00 said:

The OL situation is just beyond hilarious but completely predictable. Sark will walk out the door with the boat anchor taking him under...

Live look at Sark and Flood with the rest of the offensive coaches.

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5 hours ago, Alien Octopus said:

Golden, Worthy , Duverny, Bijan are offended by your take. And to be fair, just how many Mike Evans walk the earth?

We've never had one. Ever. Meanwhile look at Ohio State, Bama, OU, and Georgia. Every is here Kee-Kee'ing, but take a look at Sark's side of the ball in the portal right now.

7 hours ago, William Bludworth said:

And one of those guys had a RS year to shore up any issues, and...well, here we are. He should not be dropping passes when his roommate is literally Arch Manning.

We were trying to scheme open both WR's since they both play the X. Tf? If you want to die on the hill that Livingstone is some loss, have at it. The numbers say otherwise. It's not hard to upgrade from him. Obviously Wingo is the name WR, but don't act like Livingstone wasn't schemed to be open and dropped passes. Name a single elite trait he posses. Name anything that can't be replaced.

Once Mosley got healthy he took Livingstone's catches for obvious reasons, and only played the last 5 games, yet still had 400 yards and 3 TD's. He essentially has Golden-like hands. He dropped 2 passes.

The position you play doesn't determine if Sark is trying to get you the ball. We move people around too. Progressions change depending on the play design. For example, when we run the fake screen where the blocking receiver fakes his block and then goes, he is the first reed. Sometimes that guy is a TE.

Your catches are determined by the amount of times we try to get you the ball. We weren't throwing him the ball dude. Nothing you say can make that different. Again, I will tell you the same thing I said earlier. I have the All22 for these games. I can easily put all the dropbacks up while he was on the field and prove it to you. What you will see is us using him to clear space. Then 2 or 3 times a game we will look his way.

Lastly, Mosely played the last 9 games bruh. He was back for the SEC opener.

8 hours ago, William Bludworth said:

Chad Scott ran him off because he's a shitty RB coach. None of the RB'S liked him, but I agree he left instesd of sticking it out. It's why Scott got his walking papers after one season. He was apparently a gigantic asshole. He has one credited fumble for 2025. I guess he could hold on to the ball just fine the first 5 games.

Again, Gibson is a fumble threat. The dude put it on the carpet in 2024 a bunch as well and got pulled for a few games for it.

You can’t fumble as much as he did and expect to stick around.

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