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I’m not ready to start the “Fire Sean Miller” thread, although i could have just as easily titled this thread, “We Should Not Have Hired Sean Miller In The First Place”, because that’s how i felt about the prospect of hiring him to begin with, and now only ~6 weeks into his inaugural season i’m pretty much checked out and assuming that not much is going to change that, not only over the course of this season, but going into next season as well.

as has been posted here many times, sean miller hasn’t really done shit in the last 10 years. his only good teams came more than a decade ago when he was cheating his ass off, and he showed even more obvious character issues with the way that he immediately ditched Xavier for the Texas job after Xavier had welcomed him back home with a soft landing spot and open arms after his fbi/cheating scandal at arizona. the guy looked like a star 10 years ago, but that’s eons ago in the world of college basketball. since then, his resume is “meh”.

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miller has won a tourney game in two of his last 10 seasons. he’s missed the tourney three times during that span, soon to be four. he hasn’t made the elite 8 during that time, and he’s never made the final four. six out of the last nine years his team has finished the season ranked lower than where it started in kenpom. he also does not have a system that he can lean on and recruit to. he just gathers talent and then sees what he can do with it, and those coaches are becoming dinosaurs.

speaking of grabbing talent, our highly rated recruiting class for next year is three shooting guards, none of whom will be an impact player next year. in fact only one of the three projects to be a guy who gets more than 15-17 minutes next year. these are guys who will take years to develop as part of a more complete roster, they are not game changers. 

so not only does this season look bleak, but the future doesn’t look any better. ideally, at this program, in year two, a player like Vok should be your 5th best player, maybe 4th best if he cuts down on fouls and silly mistakes. as of now he’s going to be our best player next year. so unless miller is able to sign a transfer class with four different guys who are going to come in and be better than Vok will be (and at least one of them needs to be a high end PG, and another needs to be a 2-3 level scorer) then i don’t see how next year is going to be markedly different than this one.

the guys i talked to when the miller rumors were really heating up said that CDC has wanted him for years and was basically zoned in on him. he figured he’d be a safe hire with a high floor who would cost a lot less than tommy lloyd, or anyone else we may have considered had we actually had any ambition when it came to this hiring. so now here we are, still wandering the goddamn desert like he have been since ~2012, save the oases that were shaka’s first year and beard’s cup of coffee with the program. and i don’t see no more oases on the horizon. i see a disjointed roster full of third tier sec players and a future that’s more of the same. i’ve never been this down so n a coach this early into his tenure, in any sport, but what the fuck man. there’s just no objective, fact based argument that says that sean miller has Texas Basketball anywhere near being in a good position- not now, and not for the future. shit is depressing.

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Yes, we know as you've made mention of it in nearly every basketball thread since the hire was made. 

 

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But, my question is what does constantly complaining about it do? Nobody on this forum had any pull with CDC when it came to the hire. I mean, the only thing people on this website can do is not go to the games. That would get CDC’s attention. It’s also year 1 and his recruiting is looking pretty decent. There are times when I watch the team that I think we play fundamental basketball, and that is laying the foundation for what Miller wants to do. We will see, just like with any other coach, if that really comes to fruition.

 

As I’ve said before, this fanbase had the chance to torpedo the hire and didn’t do it or didn’t care to do it. So I’m just not sure what complaining about Miller after every game will do when we already know your position?

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38 minutes ago, Pancho said:

But, my question is what does constantly complaining about it do?

do you want one dedicated thread for this or do you want all of the posts about sean miller not being the right coach for Texas to continue to permeate every other thread?

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34 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Yes, we know as you've made mention of it in nearly every basketball thread since the hire was made. 

 

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But, my question is what does constantly complaining about it do? Nobody on this forum had any pull with CDC when it came to the hire. I mean, the only thing people on this website can do is not go to the games. That would get CDC’s attention. It’s also year 1 and his recruiting is looking pretty decent. There are times when I watch the team that I think we play fundamental basketball, and that is laying the foundation for what Miller wants to do. We will see, just like with any other coach, if that really comes to fruition.

 

As I’ve said before, this fanbase had the chance to torpedo the hire and didn’t do it or didn’t care to do it. So I’m just not sure what complaining about Miller after every game will do when we already know your position?

Is that really a question, though? We're all familiar with Derka's bullshit. He has a pathological need to play Cassandra on any subject matter in which he's interested. This thread helps him establish, firmly and full-throated, that he was out on Sean Miller first. He told all of us first. No one would listen!!! He told us and we sat by and did nothing!!! What the fuck is wrong with all of you??!??! Do you not know ball or are you just a bunch of fucking sunshine pumping CDC apologist, god damn you!!

Never mind that no one on this site outside of a few known pollyannas are doing anything but behaving like normal fans at this moment in time. There is zero entertainment or value in sprinting out to the middle of the forum and lamenting the shame and futility of the Miller hire unless you're a narcissist who needs to show everybody how right you are and how stupid everyone else is.

Most of us just want to root for the program and hope some of what they're seeing isn't so damning that we're going through the whole process again in 4 years, even though we probably will be and we all fucking know that, but there's no fun or value in starting with that premise right now. 

The least surprising thing I've witnessed in a very unsurprising day so far is that Derka started this thread. It actually gave me pause and I had the thought: "wait, he hasn't started one of these already?"

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38 minutes ago, Pancho said:

But, my question is what does constantly complaining about it do?

here’s my question, one that i’ve had for decades now, that still has no answer: why is it a federal crime to post judgment and negativity? why do so many of you react this way every single time someone is critical of shaka smart, sam ehlinger, quinn ewers, jarrett allen, rodney terry, ted lasso, game of thrones, rick & morty, and on and on and on? you can post a million supportive words that say “this coach/player/tv show is the best!!!” and nobody has a problem with it, but as soon as you’re like, “yeah this guy isn’t good enough”, or, “this tv show isn’t as good as it used to be” everyone is all ThEn wHy ArE yOu EvEn pOsTiNg AbOuT It??!?!?? 

it’s so stupid. and it’s antithetical to the entire purpose of shaggy. pancho, you were like the third member of shaggy and you’re in here making this weak ass argument? “if you don’t have anything nice to say then don’t post at all”? why are y’all like this? especially you? it’s so obviously stupid and backwards, and yet it never fails. NCAA: NO CRITICISM AT ALL. foh 

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3 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Is that really a question, though? We're all familiar with Derka's bullshit. He has a pathological need to play Cassandra on any subject matter in which he's interested. This thread helps him establish, firmly and full-throated, that he was out on Sean Miller first. He told all of us first. No one would listen!!! He told us and we sat by and did nothing!!! What the fuck is wrong with all of you??!??! Do you not know ball or are you just a bunch of fucking sunshine pumping CDC apologist, god damn you!!

Never mind that no one on this site outside of a few known pollyannas are doing anything but behaving like normal fans at this moment in time. There is zero entertainment or value in sprinting out to the middle of the forum and lamenting the shame and futility of the Miller hire unless you're a narcissist who needs to show everybody how right you are and how stupid everyone else is.

Most of us just want to root for the program and hope some of what they're seeing isn't so damning that we're going through the whole process again in 4 years, even though we probably will be and we all fucking know that, but there's no fun or value in starting with that premise right now. 

The least surprising thing I've witnessed in a very unsurprising day so far is that Derka started this thread. It actually gave me pause and I had the thought: "wait, he hasn't started one of these already?"

i’m literally just starting the ubiquitous “criticize the coach” thread, but it’s cute that you think so deeply about me and my motivations for posting about the HC of Texas Basketball here in the Texas Basketball forum.

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also speaking of things “that everybody already knows”, this lore about who i am and why i post and the attention that i seek has been outdated for such long time. the people who post where i post (ie the people who post in this forum) see me making thousands upon thousands of regular ass posts about basketball, baseball, or arsenal day after day, without starting any shit or seeking any attention, or trying to provoke a reaction out of anyone. i’m just here every single day doing my normal thing with the same group of people, for years now. it’s really pretty boring 99% of the time.

and then someone like ctj, a guy who i cross paths with maybe three times per year on this site, comes in here, where i am every day, to type out 1,000 words about how i really really need you guys’s attention right now so i’m gonna get it by (checks notes) making a topical post in the appropriate forum. yeah. that makes sense. that tracks. thanks for stopping by, and never come back again, please and thank you.

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3 minutes ago, Derka said:

i’m literally just starting the ubiquitous “criticize the coach” thread, but it’s cute that you think so deeply about me and my motivations for posting about the HC of Texas Basketball here in the Texas Basketball forum.

I don't think much about you at all, really.

However, speaking of ubiquity, that's your presence on any cause that you deem worthy, and sometimes that same subject is something I also give a shit about, and then there's simply no avoiding your robotic and formulaic posting drama that you've conducted by rote for going on two decades. I'd have to be blind not to notice it, same for any other longstanding poster on the boards. 

That's the thing about narcissists that they can never fully grasp about themselves due to the nature of their psychology - they're really boring and repetitive individuals. It's not an interest level from others that merits a response outside of a few family members who have no choice but to care about the individual, it's the voluminous banality with which they insist upon themselves to everyone else around them. Folks who otherwise wouldn't give one shit get tired of it and call it out.

To the narcissist, "if you don't care, why are you so focused on me!!?". To the other humans, "If you would shut the fuck up with the rapid fire onslaught of the same take over and over and over again, we wouldn't be interacting, you dumb and boring motherfucker. "

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1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

I don't think much about you at all, really.

clearly.

imagine wandering into the basketball forum just to start a fight with derka and thinking that makes you anything but a retarded asshole. 

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Just now, Derka said:

clearly.

imagine wandering into the basketball forum just to start a fight with derka and thinking that makes you anything but a retarded asshole. 

I'm in this forum everyday. I choose to not interact with you most of the time because you are a mess of a human being and I get that, and many times your takes are fine and solid, even if redundant. But, sometimes I tire of your Cassandra Complex behavior and I feel like squashing a bug. 

As to the whole "locals rule!" position you're hovering around with who qualifies to be present and posting on the basketball board, bless your heart. My resume regarding basketball experience and knowledge is just fine regardless. I don't see the need to post daily on it in order to be qualified to read and post here when I feel like it, irrespective of your juvenile approach to who you think is qualified to be here. 

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It’s December of Year One in a program that’s made one Sweet 16 appearance since 2008. Wake me up in February 2027 to see where we’re at.  

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It’s obviously early. His roster management and recruiting thus far has been below expectations. Thank goodness Goosby has a brother at Texas. His coaching isn’t bad so far, but they really lack talent. I just quit watching the last few games. Either they are terrible teams they’re playing, or I don’t have any confidence they can win. Maybe the outlook changes, but it’s a long road. 

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1 hour ago, Derka said:

man, derka really derailed this thread.

it was off the rails when you typed in the subject line

post count as of now, Derka 7, closetojumping 3 

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2 hours ago, Derka said:

here’s my question, one that i’ve had for decades now, that still has no answer: why is it a federal crime to post judgment and negativity? why do so many of you react this way every single time someone is critical of shaka smart, sam ehlinger, quinn ewers, jarrett allen, rodney terry, ted lasso, game of thrones, rick & morty, and on and on and on? you can post a million supportive words that say “this coach/player/tv show is the best!!!” and nobody has a problem with it, but as soon as you’re like, “yeah this guy isn’t good enough”, or, “this tv show isn’t as good as it used to be” everyone is all ThEn wHy ArE yOu EvEn pOsTiNg AbOuT It??!?!?? 

it’s so stupid. and it’s antithetical to the entire purpose of shaggy. pancho, you were like the third member of shaggy and you’re in here making this weak ass argument? “if you don’t have anything nice to say then don’t post at all”? why are y’all like this? especially you? it’s so obviously stupid and backwards, and yet it never fails. NCAA: NO CRITICISM AT ALL. foh 

This has to be Ben DuBose. If you’re from Houston, you understand. 

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I grew up in Tucson before coming to UT for school, so I watched a lot of Sean Miller's Arizona days. When he was hired from a mid-major the message board question of "Can Miller recruit" quickly turned into "Can Miller coach" as Arizona missed the NCAA tournament for the first time in 25 seasons, which was a remarkable streak.

So questions about his coaching ability are not new. He responded in year 2 by taking the same group of relatively unheralded recruits he signed in year 1 to the elite 8 with a memorable sweet 16 destruction of a #1 seed Duke team featuring Kyrie/Singler/Plumlee. I have a hard time believing this guy who put together a run of conference championships and elite 8s that dwarfs anything in recent memory at Texas doesn't know how to coach. I mean he helped turn TJ McConnell from a nobody at Duquesne into a guy approaching $100 million in career NBA earnings, for gawdsakes. 

I can't speak to his second stint at Xavier, but if the idea is his success at his previous major program job so far in the rearview mirror it is now irrelevant you need to accept the caveat that his last several seasons were clouded by the self inflicted wound of the "NCAA corruption scandal." This was a thing involving the horrendous crime of young athletes being paid for their services in a way that we are all cool with now. That first bubbled up in 2017 and was unresolved until 4 years later - it absolutely clouded his program and precipitated him going after international kids, some of whom were on the roster when Tommy Lloyd burst out of the gate with a 33-4 record in year 1 at AZ.

So I'm going to give this guy the benefit of the doubt in his first year. I won't miss the RT holdovers on this roster and was a bit baffled at why they were retained, but I'm going to pull for them this season like I do for anyone wearing burnt orange. Reserving judgement on next season seems wise when we haven't hit conference play yet, especially for a coach who has shown a history of player development and using transfers (pre-transfer portal era!) to build a competitive roster.

 

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26 minutes ago, bureaucrat said:

Reserving judgement on next season seems wise when we haven't hit conference play yet, especially for a coach who has shown a history of player development and using transfers (pre-transfer portal era!) to build a competitive roster.

it’s hard to reserve judgment on the future when the building blocks of said future are so underwhelming and/or nonexistent. here are the current players who might return next season:

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and of course we also have our three sg commits, guys who are developmental pieces. you add the two together and that is just not a good roster, there’s no two ways about it. Miller will have to pull in one helluva transfer class to paper over those cracks in year two, which seems unlikely considering that spending money on his program is clearly not a priority for the AD or the BMD’s. 

you also say miller “has a history of player development”, but i don’t see it. you mentioned tj mcconnell, but that was a decade ago. who else has he developed since then? he hasn’t been sending guys to league, since, what, mathurin? who was only with him for one year. nico mannion was the no.1 pg and a top 5-7 national player coming out of HS and he shot 39% from the field in his one season at arizona and has never been heard from since. i’m struggling to name anyone else who miller has developed in the last decade or so. it’s not a long or prestigious list.

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miller got three years at xavier and didn’t build anything.

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16-18 in year two, then a very “meh” 22-12 (13-7) year three in a much weaker league than the sec. he wasn’t on any sort of upward trajectory when we decided to make him our HC. we’ve got several years worth of data to look at that says that next year isn’t going to be a great year either, barring miller bringing in the type of transfer class that this AD doesn’t want to spend the money on.

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He's our coach. I think he's a big upgrade from RT and am not sure who'd have been a better pick at the time we needed to make that change. So I'll simply hope we improve steadily under his watch. 

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4 hours ago, Derka said:

here’s my question, one that i’ve had for decades now, that still has no answer: why is it a federal crime to post judgment and negativity? why do so many of you react this way every single time someone is critical of shaka smart, sam ehlinger, quinn ewers, jarrett allen, rodney terry, ted lasso, game of thrones, rick & morty, and on and on and on? you can post a million supportive words that say “this coach/player/tv show is the best!!!” and nobody has a problem with it, but as soon as you’re like, “yeah this guy isn’t good enough”, or, “this tv show isn’t as good as it used to be” everyone is all ThEn wHy ArE yOu EvEn pOsTiNg AbOuT It??!?!?? 

it’s so stupid. and it’s antithetical to the entire purpose of shaggy. pancho, you were like the third member of shaggy and you’re in here making this weak ass argument? “if you don’t have anything nice to say then don’t post at all”? why are y’all like this? especially you? it’s so obviously stupid and backwards, and yet it never fails. NCAA: NO CRITICISM AT ALL. foh 

 

“Weak ass?”

 

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When was shaggy started? 15 -17 years ago? I’m also older and have a fucking retirement account and Roth IRA so I’m definitely a different Pancho than before. 

 

It’s not a federal crime to post what you’ve posted. The point I (and maybe others) am making is that it seems you’re making this type of post about Miller damn near daily. It’s not clear what else there is to prove or what your goal is. Is it to shit on Miller? You’ve done that splendidly since Miller’s press conference. You and I both know he’s going to be here at minimum 3 years, so if he’s lost you and he sucks, it’s okay to just do other things or put your energy into something else. 

Another example is the Shaka thread. It’s been 4 years since he left. You have 331 posts in that thread and the next closes person has 89. It’s similar to the miller thing—we get it, you hate Shaka so making the same posts about it over and over, I just personally don’t see the point. After year 1of him being gone, sure yeah definitely. Year 2, maybe. Year 4? Gotta let it go bro.

With that said, I understand you think it’s a shitty hire and wish we’d gone after others as do I. But here we are, and it’s only year 1. I’m going to remain hopeful.

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I don’t get all the thread policing. If you don’t like the thread, don’t read it. If no one is interested, the thread will either die or become a blog for Derka. 

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42 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I don’t get all the thread policing. If you don’t like the thread, don’t read it. If no one is interested, the thread will either die or become a blog for Derka. 

A select few people really can't help themselves when they see the name "Derka"

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