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47 minutes ago, RPM said:

Where are all these work from home jobs? Asking for a friend (seriously, he's been looking for several months).

To the original point, if you are single and this job allows some great digital nomad lifestyle to chase skirts then this is a debate. If you have any responsibilities it isn’t.

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3 hours ago, Celery Man said:

to me, the idea that I'm "discover 5 more weekly hours" away from moving the needle meaningfully on some smart investment moves is bananas, at least on that salary and in comparison to what I could do with twice as big of a shovel. Similarly, if you can make it on 120k (which, if you're willing to take 120 that's assumed) then surely 240 means your wife could stay home and cook or you can hire a chef/meal service, you can solve any number of time problems with the money. Even the commute, although I think that's realistically the thing that is the big sacrifice in time and soul sucking if you're not just extremely introverted.

i think you might be able to start to bring me around if you adjusted the numbers a bit and added some sort of draconian stuff to the office part. Generally if you're a white collar worker making $240k in an office you can duck out for therapy. I'm also assuming it's not a bullshit job that you do in 2 hours at home but 8 hours in the office, or there's not some other catch like you have to work 80 hours a week or whatever. Drive in, drive out, you're at work all day. I say this as someone with a 2 year old and a 4 year old who wakes up every day at 5 and eats well and exercises and keeps a clean house and is an engaged dad and all that kind of stuff - the commute time seems easily worth it in exchange for bigger vacations and better college funds and less groceries and bill stress and more flexibility for the family and activities and etc etc etc. I am surprised that there's this much of a debate for 2x income.

This contains most of my thoughts. If it means your wife could stay at home (childcare, healthier meals, volunteering/networking, improved work/life balance for you, and all the many benefits of this setup), that's a huge consideration. Even assuming everything about the job is the same (which is unlikely at such discrepant salaries), the specifics about the work environment and policies are important. Also note that if retirement contributions are based on a percentage, that's another mark in favor of the higher salary. 

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

We ran the experiment of “imagine what we could accomplish if we didn’t have to go into the office” and 95 percent of the population chose to bake shitty sourdough, never change out of sweatpants, and get fat while binge-watching Netflix. Spare me the wishcasting of all the amazing things we could do by not going to work and just locking in at home. We are fucking animals and we will choose to consume calories and conserve energy just like other omnivores if given the choice. 
 

100 percent agree that I will assume peiple who demand WFH as their top priority have low ambitions and low desire to learn. I think WFH is an incredibly important flex tool that can be deployed in a time-constrained way but if you’re doing it all the time you’re just a widget. 

While the comparison of the scenarios has to be a adjusted for potential variables (if I'm avoiding 3 hours a day of commute time, that is a real difference-maker, for example), the above has a lot of truth.  As do the points about mentoring and the like.

And yes, I also had first-hand experience with people for whom "WFH" meant "do the absolute minimum, and actually, I'm gonna be outside gardening, walking my dog, etc., during working hours."

All of that said, the real driver is "what kind of job is it?"  There are absolutely a shitload of good white collar jobs that can be done entirely or almost entirely WFH.  There are a lot of PROFESSIONS that benefit greatly from being in-office/in person.  I had plenty of depositions, hearings, mediations, and even trials by zoom during the COVID times.  I can assure you, ALL of those things work much better in person.  And yeah, having associates here, in the office, where they are part of spontaneous conversations, work sessions, task assignments, etc., develops them so much better.  So, it depends on the job.

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15 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

This contains most of my thoughts. If it means your wife could stay at home (childcare, healthier meals, volunteering/networking, improved work/life balance for you, and all the many benefits of this setup), that's a huge consideration. Even assuming everything about the job is the same (which is unlikely at such discrepant salaries), the specifics about the work environment and policies are important. Also note that if retirement contributions are based on a percentage, that's another mark in favor of the higher salary. 

 

It's pretty straightforward to monetize some aspects of benefits of WAH vs. in office setting, but some the other aspects you outlined are certainly harder to put to value to. And the value assessment will vary based on a significant number of very individual and/or personal factors. 

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2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Sometimes wearing no pants. 

 

I have worked my whole career remotely. I don't know how people go to an office. So much wasted time and resources involved in commuting. 

Honestly--and I mean no disrespect by this--but the fact that you've worked your whole career remotely answers so many questions about you and your posts.

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Just now, Ghost of LL said:

Honestly--and I mean no disrespect by this--but the fact that you've worked your whole career remotely answers so many questions about you and your posts.

LOL. The fact that you think that post can inform your assessment of me or my posts says more than enough about you and your willingness to speak from ignorance. I of course mean no disrespect. 

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I'm about 3.5 miles from my office now.  Given the proximity, I'd be in the office for 240.

Not really a tough call.

I enjoy my hybrid schedule now, but if they doubled my salary and returned to 5 days in...yea, I'm doing that.

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2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

We ran the experiment of “imagine what we could accomplish if we didn’t have to go into the office” and 95 percent of the population chose to bake shitty sourdough, never change out of sweatpants, and get fat while binge-watching Netflix. Spare me the wishcasting of all the amazing things we could do by not going to work and just locking in at home. We are fucking animals and we will choose to consume calories and conserve energy just like other omnivores if given the choice. 
 

100 percent agree that I will assume peiple who demand WFH as their top priority have low ambitions and low desire to learn. I think WFH is an incredibly important flex tool that can be deployed in a time-constrained way but if you’re doing it all the time you’re just a widget. 

There are lazy bums that go into the office every day because they happen to be extroverted.  Our VP of Engineering is the hardest working person in the company and she lives remotely.  It completely depends on what kind of person you hire, the outwardly demonstrative 'go-getter' is just as likely to be a brown-noser yes man than an effective leader.

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40 minutes ago, gurt said:

There are lazy bums that go into the office every day because they happen to be extroverted. 

Yeah, claiming only bad lazy employees WFH. As if people don’t go into the office solely to socialize, do no work, talk to everyone, eat the food 

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