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Final 4 run and a great season next year and I'll be sold.

Honestly he's coming back at this point, and I'm not gonna root against our team, so something like Sweet 16 and great season next year (top 2 in the Big 12, top 20 overall, good tournament run) and I'll be all in.

I think his luck is likely to run out soon, though. I wouldn't be shocked if we lost tomorrow and again in the Big 12 tournament.

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Answering the question of why it matters whether or not I like the coach, I don't have a good answer for you.  Shaka seems like he cares about the players. He seems like a decent human being and representative of the university.  All other factors aside, I would rather see people like this succeed.  

Contrast that with Tom Herman.  He seems like an egomaniac douche.  Just an all-around dick.  If you are going to act like that, you better be Saban.

I haven't seen anyone address the youth element, which again is why I hold out a small amount of hope.  Tom Izzo made his first Tourney appearance at 42.  

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4 hours ago, Dr. Beeper said:

You are probably right. It’s wholly inexplicable why that guy played more than a reserve role. 

And I was dead wrong on Coleman and Jones. They have really impressed me, and I was just wrong. 

Jones had leukemia and missed a year and a half of basketball. It was sort of dumb to make any definitive judgment on him.  

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38 minutes ago, HookEm said:

Tom Izzo made his first Tourney appearance at 42.  

in his third year as a head coach (and they won the Big Ten that year). He made the Final Four the next year and won the national title the year after that. Shaka Smart would basically have to defeat the Monstars to catch up to that trajectory.

I think college basketball changes so much over any 20-year period that it's not particularly helpful to look at what coaches went through in other eras to project what might be possible for a given current coach, just to avoid having a certain type of poster smugly slapping down the Coach K card to justify keeping even the most pathetic loser of a coach until said loser turns it around just like the 2nd greatest college basketball coach of all time did. 

If you want to assess Smart's youth charitably, you could look at Tony Bennett's career. I don't think many Virginia fans expected him to hoist a banner after his fourth year, but he started winning big in year 5.

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11 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

in his third year as a head coach (and they won the Big Ten that year). He made the Final Four the next year and won the national title the year after that. Shaka Smart would basically have to defeat the Monstars to catch up to that trajectory.

I think college basketball changes so much over any 20-year period that it's not particularly helpful to look at what coaches went through in other eras to project what might be possible for a given current coach, just to avoid having a certain type of poster smugly slapping down the Coach K card to justify keeping even the most pathetic loser of a coach until said loser turns it around just like the 2nd greatest college basketball coach of all time did. 

If you want to assess Smart's youth charitably, you could look at Tony Bennett's career. I don't think many Virginia fans expected him to hoist a banner after his fourth year, but he started winning big in year 5.

yeah but Tony Bennett knows who he is. 

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Shaka will make some noise in his 50s. He will be coaching somewhere else at the time, and I probably won't resent him.

That is the literal best he can hope for from me -- I just want him fired, I don't want him drawn and quartered (like I felt about Weltlich, Mackovic and Strong, for comparison).

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5 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

Jones had leukemia and missed a year and a half of basketball. It was sort of dumb to make any definitive judgment on him.  

He looked terrible all year. He looked totally capable of playing minutes but was bad. But yes, my judgement was bad. 

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5 hours ago, HookEm said:

Answering the question of why it matters whether or not I like the coach, I don't have a good answer for you.  Shaka seems like he cares about the players. He seems like a decent human being and representative of the university.  All other factors aside, I would rather see people like this succeed.  

Contrast that with Tom Herman.  He seems like an egomaniac douche.  Just an all-around dick.  If you are going to act like that, you better be Saban.

I haven't seen anyone address the youth element, which again is why I hold out a small amount of hope.  Tom Izzo made his first Tourney appearance at 42.  

I’m not a big Herman fan either. But Shaka has a lot to do to be in his league. I don’t care how either “represents the university”.  I just want to win. 

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4 hours ago, Walden Ponderer said:

Shaka will make some noise in his 50s. He will be coaching somewhere else at the time, and I probably won't resent him.

That is the literal best he can hope for from me -- I just want him fired, I don't want him drawn and quartered (like I felt about Weltlich, Mackovic and Strong, for comparison).

I feel the same. About each of the 4 coaches. 

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2 hours ago, Dr. Beeper said:

He looked terrible all year. He looked totally capable of playing minutes but was bad. But yes, my judgement was bad. 

To me he looked like a player who just missed a year and half of D1 competition and just came off chemo a month before the season started. Im still stunned he's playing this well this deep into the season. I didn't expect anything approaching this until next year some time. 

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My problem with Shaka isn't just that our team's performance in his tenure has been extremely poor.  I also don't find him as likeable as many of you do.  There is no authenticity in anything he says or does.  He comes across as someone who is trying really hard to say what he thinks people want to hear in order to hide the fact that he is clueless.  I don't think he is actually as clueless as he appears to be, but I also don't think that he has the ability to convince me otherwise.  

I'd much rather have Tom the authentic asshole, than whatever Shaka is pretending to be. 

I suppose I could live with it if Shaka suddenly became very good at his job, but we are a looooooong way from me believing that he has. 

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30 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Shaka is a shitty coach.

I think we’re gonna find out a lot more about this in a few hours.  Team has heard how great they are all week, and we scored 4 field goals in the last 10 minutes the other night.  OSU might have the potential to outshoot us 20 to 2 from the line.  I give us a 50/50 chance to win the game.  

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18 hours ago, Goo Punch said:

hopefully the parade route hits Pflugerville.

I’m sorry, but is this a foreshadowing of the moment in which Derka goes full on Gavrilo Princip?

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I am a Longhorn nationalist, aiming for the unification of all Longhorns, and I do not care what form of state, but we must be freed from Shaka.

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Weltlich is a good comparison.  We would go to men’s basketball games to study because it was so quiet in the EC.  Boring basketball, utterly uninspiring product.  And he stayed at least two years too long (really his whole tenure was too long).  Penders came in and made a run his first year with the BMW 3 guard offense (Weltlich’s players). 

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1 hour ago, CycleTex87 said:

Weltlich is a good comparison.  We would go to men’s basketball games to study because it was so quiet in the EC.  Boring basketball, utterly uninspiring product.  And he stayed at least two years too long (really his whole tenure was too long).  Penders came in and made a run his first year with the BMW 3 guard offense (Weltlich’s players). 

Weltlich was worse than Shaka. There are two coaches they came to mind that are clearly worse than Shaka, Kaiser Bob and Chuck Strong. 

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Beard, Underwood and their ilk have made it hard to be lenient with a guy who’s recruited well but coached poorly as a whole. For me, he’s gone unless the team can at the very least get into the round of 32. Even then I’d have no argument against letting him go. I just feel we can do better, and should. 

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with Beilein being out there and available, i just cannot fathom keeping Shaka short of a run to the FF. it's pretty hard to fire a guy who just took tour team to the Final Four. but short of that, the fact is that Beilein >>>>>> Shaka, and we know this. as long as he's available Shaka should essentially be a dead man walking. 

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3 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

with Beilein being out there and available, i just cannot fathom keeping Shaka short of a run to the FF. it's pretty hard to fire a guy who just took tour team to the Final Four. but short of that, the fact is that Beilein >>>>>> Shaka, and we know this. as long as he's available Shaka should essentially be a dead man walking. 

That’s true. I hope CDC makes a run at him. But I don’t want CDC fired if he doesn’t fire Shaka after making the tourney and even losing in Round 1. 

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9 minutes ago, AnTiM said:

All in what, a lynch mob?  OK, I'm in.  

Use different phrasing please!!!

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Shaka could win 30 games in a row and I’d still expect him to lose the next one. Fuck this and fuck all the dumbasses who kept saying he should stay or that he can get signed by another school. Fire him now and go get a real coach. 

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