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4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's also important to remember that Trump and his kids lied repeatedly about their business contacts with Russia during the campaign. That's a fact. It might not be criminal, but it's shitty and proves that they wanted to hide that information from voters, just like his relationships with porn stars.

  

That's also not in question. Maybe a crime - maybe not - but it's all in the public record and cannot be denied. Those things did happen.

Is it sufficient for conviction? I dunno. My layman's take is that it seems obvious, but I ain't no lawyer. Right now, I'm content to sit tight and watch the Trumpkin orangutang brigade jump up and down, howl like idiots, and fling feces against the walls.

Don't judge. It's really funny to watch.

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I asked earlier but it likely got lost in the shit flinging.

Any of the surly lawyers provide some insight on why the investigation would conclude while the secret Supreme Court case is ongoing as well as other sentencing? I assume it means the SCO is no longer overseeing the foreign company case but if he isn’t then who is? 

4 minutes ago, tjhooker said:

You tell me a way I could make $ on triggering liberals and I'll cut you in.  That wouldn't even be a job because I'd be doing something I love. 

Well the left seems bound and determined to run Tucker Carlson out of a job because he made some misogynist joke 10 years ago on a wacky morning drive in show. Could be your in..???

Just now, bolverk said:

That's also not in question. Maybe a crime - maybe not - but it's all in the public record and cannot be denied. Those things did happen.

Is it sufficient for conviction? I dunno. My layman's take is that it seems obvious, but I ain't no lawyer. Right now, I'm content to sit tight and watch the Trumpkin orangutang brigade jump up and down, howl like idiots, and fling feces against the walls.

Don't judge. It's really funny to watch.

We'll know how much damning information is in the report by how much effort goes into burying it. 

If there is any resistance to releasing it to the public, you know that it's politically damaging to the president.

1 minute ago, Johnny Sack said:
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Ahhhhh. Reminds me of 2009 to 2017 and conservatears.

Good times.

Just now, David Dennison said:

Ahhhhh. Reminds me of 2009 to 2017 and conservatears.

Good times.

Appropriate comparisons are appropriate. 

2 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:
 
 

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7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's way more lucrative triggering conservatives. Hollywood and the pop culture industry is printing money.

I don't think that was their original intent. And now that they have made clear what agenda they are pushing, they are seeing some effect.

Well this is a very productive and enlightening conversation all the way around. 

Just now, Crusher said:

I don't think that was their original intent. And now that they have made clear what agenda they are pushing, they are seeing some effect.

By making even more money?

You showed them.

Regardless of the report what we do know, unequivocally, is that Trump is a lying, cheating (in every sense of the word including adultery), all around shit bag fraudster.  And that’s not an opion.  There is hard evidence to support that description.

The report will probably not say anything definitive but because of it and the work associated with it we have multiple indictments, guilty pleas, convictions, pending trials and sentences and we know that there were shady dealings between his campaign and Russia.

Additionally anyone with a brain knows there has been obstruction at multiple levels and of course don’t forget the porn star and playboy bunny payouts, which are not your average run of the mill campaign violations.  These were violations that could have absolutely changed the course of the election considering the margin of Trump’s victories in the areas that swung the election to him (thanks electoral college).

So regardless of what happens with the report, Trump’s mold has been cast as well of those Trumpkins that believe dear leader can do no wrong.

 

7 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I asked earlier but it likely got lost in the shit flinging.

Any of the surly lawyers provide some insight on why the investigation would conclude while the secret Supreme Court case is ongoing as well as other sentencing? I assume it means the SCO is no longer overseeing the foreign company case but if he isn’t then who is? 

Probably because it relates to a case either filed under seal or that might be filed by the SDNY related to foreign influence but not necessarily Russia. I think the best speculation is that its Qatar and not Russia so not really directly connected to the Mueller probe but that’s just speculation on my part. 

Just now, tjhooker said:

Opinion is now fact.  Neat. 

Tell me what is opinion.

Ahhhhh. Reminds me of 2009 to 2017 and conservatears.
Good times.


#bothsides

Well this is a very productive and enlightening conversation all the way around. 


I missed over 350 posts, but I feel caught up.
1 minute ago, TexEx15 said:

Tell me what is opinion.

You must be new around here. @tjhooker won't make any attempt to provide evidence that Trump is not a lying, adulterous, cheat. Because there is none. But hooker gonna hooker.

3 hours ago, Kiss said:

Quite literally, the future of America (and perhaps the world) hangs in the balance. And that is the fn truth.

Hannity Sighted on Surly.

5 minutes ago, tjhooker said:

Opinions not facts. Conjecture. You don't know that. If it were fact indictments for criminal collusion would be all over the place. 

Any lawyer will tell that's simply not true.

4 minutes ago, tjhooker said:

 

Opinions not facts. Conjecture. You don't know that. If it were fact indictments for criminal collusion would be all over the place. 

I literally said the report will not say anything definitive.  So you are correct had I said criminal collusion it would have been an opinion.  Regarding obstruction the Comey firing is about as obvious as It gets in the absence of a formal charge hence the “anyone with a brain” qualifier.  And RE: campaign violations if you don’t believe that you are being willfully ignorant.

Just now, tjhooker said:

He has lied.  Obama lied too.  So did Bush and Clinton.  They all lie. What does that prove?  

That you are a partisan and will defend your team no matter what the leader does.

Cool.

9 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Regardless of the report what we do know, unequivocally, is that Trump is a lying, cheating (in every sense of the word including adultery), all around shit bag fraudster.  And that’s not an opion.  There is hard evidence to support that description.

The report will probably not say anything definitive but because of it and the work associated with it we have multiple indictments, guilty pleas, convictions, pending trials and sentences and we know that there were shady dealings between his campaign and Russia.

Additionally anyone with a brain knows there has been obstruction at multiple levels and of course don’t forget the porn star and playboy bunny payouts, which are not your average run of the mill campaign violations.  These were violations that could have absolutely changed the course of the election considering the margin of Trump’s victories in the areas that swung the election to him (thanks electoral college).

So regardless of what happens with the report, Trump’s mold has been cast as well of those Trumpkins that believe dear leader can do no wrong.

 

Yeah.. Well Bill Clinton showed him the way correct? Adultery ...no big deal. Getting a hummer in the Oval office by an intern? No biggie. Even lying about it under oath committing perjury and actually being impeached by the House.? No big deal.

Speak to me when you actually get Trump an anything equal to what Clinton survived.

1 minute ago, tjhooker said:

He has lied.  Obama lied too.  So did Bush and Clinton.  They all lie. What does that prove?  

So you honestly believe Trump’s lying is equivalent?  Good grief.

Just now, Crusher said:

Yeah.. Well Bill Clinton showed him the way correct? Adultery ...no big deal. Getting a hummer in the Oval office by an intern? No biggie. Even lying about it under oath committing perjury and actually being impeached by the House.? No big deal.

Speak to me when you actually get Trump an anything equal to what Clinton survived.

Individual #1 says, "Hold my beer."

2 minutes ago, Crusher said:

Yeah.. Well Bill Clinton showed him the way correct? Adultery ...no big deal. Getting a hummer in the Oval office by an intern? No biggie. Even lying about it under oath committing perjury and actually being impeached by the House.? No big deal.

Speak to me when you actually get Trump an anything equal to what Clinton survived.

Had Trump ever been put under oath that mother fucker would have been charged with perjury before he left the building.  Hell his lawyers reasoning for not testifying under oath was that his client was incapable of telling the truth.  Regarding Bill, forgive me if I don’t find the blowjob issue as significant as the multitude of issues Trump brings to the table.

And to be clear, Bill was an adulterer too.  Nothing in my original comment indicated he wasn’t or that he shouldn’t be considered one. 

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

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Is there video or description of what happened here?

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That you are a partisan and will defend your team no matter what the leader does.

Cool.

Are you a real person?

5 minutes ago, Crusher said:

Yeah.. Well Bill Clinton showed him the way correct? Adultery ...no big deal. Getting a hummer in the Oval office by an intern? No biggie. Even lying about it under oath committing perjury and actually being impeached by the House.? No big deal.

Speak to me when you actually get Trump an anything equal to what Clinton survived.

Emoluments, campaign finance, tax fraud, insurance fraud.

2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Emoluments, campaign finance, tax fraud, insurance fraud.

Ha dumb lib you literally proved there was no collusion.

Has he ever claimed not to be partisan? He owns it more than anyone else on the board. He doesn’t pretend to be in the middle.

1 minute ago, TexEx15 said:

Had Trump ever been put under oath that mother fucker would have been charged with perjury before he left the building.  Hell his lawyers reasoning for not testifying under oath was that his client was incapable of telling the truth.  

And so would you and anyone else.  No one can sit through an 8 hour interview about conversations he was present for years ago and not say something untrue.  They are called "perjury traps" because that is what they are.

6 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

I literally said the report will not say anything definitive.  So you are correct had I said criminal collusion it would have been an opinion.  

 


Does that mean Triplehorn or anyone is not taking my bet?  I said it would be weasel words aplenty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

42 minutes ago, tjhooker said:

You tell me a way I could make $ on triggering liberals and I'll cut you in.  That wouldn't even be a job because I'd be doing something I love. 

So what you're saying is, you're trolling?

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

Emoluments, campaign finance, tax fraud, insurance fraud.

Again.. get back to me when Trump is actually Impeached. Only two presidents in history have been Impeached. Both acquitted by the Senate. Good luck with that.

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Just now, Crusher said:

Again.. get back to me when Trump is actually Impeached. Only two presidents in history have been Impeached. Both acquitted by the Senate. Good luck with that.

That's your bar?

LOL

Well sitting presidents can’t be indicted. But they can certainly be unindicted co-conspirators 

3 minutes ago, tjhooker said:

Oh, he has been indicted for those things or more hope and conjecture? 

You are defending Donald Trump.

Let that sink in.

1 minute ago, Crusher said:

Again.. get back to me when Trump is actually Impeached. Only two presidents in history have been Impeached. Both acquitted by the Senate. Good luck with that.

So your bar for acceptable behavior by the president is whether or not they are impeached? 

You know Nixon never got impeached. Must have not done anything wrong.

Just now, tjhooker said:

No, I am saying some people really dislike me here and say and do some really stupid things when I post.  Not my fault they get triggered. 

Is it our fault you get triggered? You got so triggered you threw a temper tantrum and cried to the mods. 

Snowflake.

4 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

And so would you and anyone else.  No one can sit through an 8 hour interview about conversations he was present for years ago and not say something untrue.  They are called "perjury traps" because that is what they are.

Hiliary says hi.  And before you make an excuse, the republicans controlled both houses so if they wanted her indicted for the smallest lie she would have been.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

That's your bar?

LOL

No, not at all. That's your bar.

4 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

And so would you and anyone else.  No one can sit through an 8 hour interview about conversations he was present for years ago and not say something untrue.  They are called "perjury traps" because that is what they are.

 


Does that mean Triplehorn or anyone is not taking my bet?  I said it would be weasel words aplenty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Perjury trap is the stupidest shit anyone has ever said.

Just now, Crusher said:

No, not at all. That's your bar.

I couldn't care less if he gets impeached. I just want him to lose the next election.

1 minute ago, Crusher said:

No, not at all. That's your bar.

That literally doesn’t make any sense.

I haven't been here on a Friday when loserville is in full swing.  Sad to think that some folks actually enjoy, and get some sort of personal "esteem" for being thought of as not very bright.... But, on the silver lining side. beats going out to a bar, spending a bunch of cash, and having people say to your face... "You're are not very bright are you?"

 

1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

Perjury trap is the stupidest shit anyone has ever said.

Did you not say "job-creators is the stupidest shit" on August 7th 2012 at 2:35pm?

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