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Just in case anyone was interested, since I really was.  This is the live tracking of the Fury/Usyk fight by JABBR, the AI tracking system.  Supposedly 99% accurate.  They had 30 cameras + a 360 cam at the fight to catch all the action.

It's wild when you dig into the actual stats completely.  The AI thinks based on its system of tracking punches, damaging shots, aggression, etc., that Usyk won every round but the 5th and 6th.  So even the rounds I thought were close and gave to Fury, the AI is like, nah, he got pieced up.  Really just goes to show how fucky boxing scorecards are compared to what really happens in a fight.  

I've linked this video with the timestamp where the fight starts.  You can skip near the end to see the full stats at around 7:25:00.  Look in the lower right corner under Deepstrike Fight Flow to see how the AI scored the fight.

 

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On 5/23/2024 at 2:17 AM, SpiralOut said:

Just in case anyone was interested, since I really was.  This is the live tracking of the Fury/Usyk fight by JABBR, the AI tracking system.  Supposedly 99% accurate.  They had 30 cameras + a 360 cam at the fight to catch all the action.

It's wild when you dig into the actual stats completely.  The AI thinks based on its system of tracking punches, damaging shots, aggression, etc., that Usyk won every round but the 5th and 6th.  So even the rounds I thought were close and gave to Fury, the AI is like, nah, he got pieced up.  Really just goes to show how fucky boxing scorecards are compared to what really happens in a fight.  

I've linked this video with the timestamp where the fight starts.  You can skip near the end to see the full stats at around 7:25:00.  Look in the lower right corner under Deepstrike Fight Flow to see how the AI scored the fight.

 

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6 hours ago, shadow_operative2.0 said:

 

 

I've grown very tired of Wilder. I rooted for him against Fury in their first bout but, he just turned into such an ass. His refusal to ever try and develop a jab really tarnishes his legacy. The level of competition was also completely forgettable. He's done and should stop because this is embarrassing. That dude he lost to weighed about 65-pounds more than Wilder, who came in at about 214 pounds.

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On 6/2/2024 at 5:33 AM, PittsburghTiger said:

I've grown very tired of Wilder. I rooted for him against Fury in their first bout but, he just turned into such an ass. His refusal to ever try and develop a jab really tarnishes his legacy. The level of competition was also completely forgettable. He's done and should stop because this is embarrassing. That dude he lost to weighed about 65-pounds more than Wilder, who came in at about 214 pounds.

Wilder's career is legitimately crazy in how successful it was considering his skill level.  All due to the untold amounts of protection he got from his promoter, Shelly Finkel.

All boxers have some easy fights at the start of their pro-career.  It's just the way the business works.  But for most guys it's 10-15 fights.  If you're an experienced ultra-talent like Loma or Usyk, it's hardly any.  There are about 500 ranked Heavyweight boxers.  Wilder was fighting unranked guys well into his pro career.

His 14th professional fight, where most guys would be looking to pick up a minor belt and become next in line to try for a title shot, Wilder fought a dude with an 11-38 record who was a cruiserweight.  It took him until his 26th professional bout to pick up that minor (vacant!) belt against a nobody Kelvin Price who almost immediately quit boxing after that.  For comparison, Usyk is the current Undisputed HW champ and was also Undisputed at Cruiserweight and he's only had 22 fights total in his pro career.  Deontay didn't become WBC champ until his 33rd fight when he beat Bermane Stiverne.  Didn't knock him out.  Got a decision.  And Stiverne is widely regarded as one of the weakest HW champions in the history of boxing.  He then goes on to defend his title multiple times against guys ranked outside the Top 25.  The only legitimate test he had during that time was Luis Ortiz.  A Cuban who wasn't anything special, but actually had the size combined with some amount of skill.  Problem is, Luis Ortiz, like a lot of Cubans, lies about his age.  Ortiz was supposedly 40 years old in their first fight, but it's pretty well known he was more like 45-46.  And Ortiz was demolishing Wilder for that entire fight until he got caught by a right hand.  Which is how a lot of Wilder's fights, even against cab drivers, went.  The fights were boring affairs where Wilder is getting repeatedly tagged until he finally manages to land his nuke.  That's how poor of a boxer he is.  He loses round after round after round until one big wind-milling right hand slips through.

Luckily for Wilder though, he caught a cherry-pick gone wrong.  He thought he could get an actual real name on his resume finally with Fury.  Fury was coming off his 3-year "say I have mental health problems but I'm really avoiding a decade long ban for PEDs and trying to cover it up" vacation.  Fury had looked rather mediocre against two bums in Seferi and Pianeta, so Wilder figured he was ripe for the picking.  Has that exciting fight where Fury does his Undertaker impression in the 12th and the rest is history.  The boxing/sports media pretends these two guys are some of the greatest HWs of all time and both guys get a ton of money/attention for that trilogy.  In reality, Fury is pretty good when he tries and gives a fuck which is hardly ever and Wilder is a one-trick pony with his right hand.

Lots of people have tried making the argument that Fury took Wilder's soul in those fights and yeah, those fights did take something from Wilder.  Still, the real reason why he looks like ass now is because he has found his level.  It's easy to just wildly throw haymakers at your opponent when they suck.  When they're legitimate Top 10 guys that can hurt you?  Not so much.  Which is what we saw in this fight with Zhang.  Wilder was scared to throw, Zhang was walking him down, Wilder finally decided to give it a go, and because his technique is so awful Zhang immediately timed him and sent him to sleep.  If Wilder had ever fought any real competition earlier in his career, he'd have been exposed then and nobody would have considered him anything but a circus act.

Oh, and he also happens to be a rather awful dude in real life.  Accusing his trainer of spiking his water when he lost to Fury in the rematch as well as accusing Fury of putting weights in his gloves.  Had sex with his brother's girlfriend.  The list goes on.

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On 6/5/2024 at 7:13 AM, SpiralOut said:

Wilder's career is legitimately crazy in how successful it was considering his skill level.  All due to the untold amounts of protection he got from his promoter, Shelly Finkel.

All boxers have some easy fights at the start of their pro-career.  It's just the way the business works.  But for most guys it's 10-15 fights.  If you're an experienced ultra-talent like Loma or Usyk, it's hardly any.  There are about 500 ranked Heavyweight boxers.  Wilder was fighting unranked guys well into his pro career.

His 14th professional fight, where most guys would be looking to pick up a minor belt and become next in line to try for a title shot, Wilder fought a dude with an 11-38 record who was a cruiserweight.  It took him until his 26th professional bout to pick up that minor (vacant!) belt against a nobody Kelvin Price who almost immediately quit boxing after that.  For comparison, Usyk is the current Undisputed HW champ and was also Undisputed at Cruiserweight and he's only had 22 fights total in his pro career.  Deontay didn't become WBC champ until his 33rd fight when he beat Bermane Stiverne.  Didn't knock him out.  Got a decision.  And Stiverne is widely regarded as one of the weakest HW champions in the history of boxing.  He then goes on to defend his title multiple times against guys ranked outside the Top 25.  The only legitimate test he had during that time was Luis Ortiz.  A Cuban who wasn't anything special, but actually had the size combined with some amount of skill.  Problem is, Luis Ortiz, like a lot of Cubans, lies about his age.  Ortiz was supposedly 40 years old in their first fight, but it's pretty well known he was more like 45-46.  And Ortiz was demolishing Wilder for that entire fight until he got caught by a right hand.  Which is how a lot of Wilder's fights, even against cab drivers, went.  The fights were boring affairs where Wilder is getting repeatedly tagged until he finally manages to land his nuke.  That's how poor of a boxer he is.  He loses round after round after round until one big wind-milling right hand slips through.

Luckily for Wilder though, he caught a cherry-pick gone wrong.  He thought he could get an actual real name on his resume finally with Fury.  Fury was coming off his 3-year "say I have mental health problems but I'm really avoiding a decade long ban for PEDs and trying to cover it up" vacation.  Fury had looked rather mediocre against two bums in Seferi and Pianeta, so Wilder figured he was ripe for the picking.  Has that exciting fight where Fury does his Undertaker impression in the 12th and the rest is history.  The boxing/sports media pretends these two guys are some of the greatest HWs of all time and both guys get a ton of money/attention for that trilogy.  In reality, Fury is pretty good when he tries and gives a fuck which is hardly ever and Wilder is a one-trick pony with his right hand.

Lots of people have tried making the argument that Fury took Wilder's soul in those fights and yeah, those fights did take something from Wilder.  Still, the real reason why he looks like ass now is because he has found his level.  It's easy to just wildly throw haymakers at your opponent when they suck.  When they're legitimate Top 10 guys that can hurt you?  Not so much.  Which is what we saw in this fight with Zhang.  Wilder was scared to throw, Zhang was walking him down, Wilder finally decided to give it a go, and because his technique is so awful Zhang immediately timed him and sent him to sleep.  If Wilder had ever fought any real competition earlier in his career, he'd have been exposed then and nobody would have considered him anything but a circus act.

Oh, and he also happens to be a rather awful dude in real life.  Accusing his trainer of spiking his water when he lost to Fury in the rematch as well as accusing Fury of putting weights in his gloves.  Had sex with his brother's girlfriend.  The list goes on.

Well said.

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Big fights tomorrow.  

Tank v. Martin:  Tank shouldn't have any problems.  Still not fighting the best guys.  Dude is 29, so you wonder when he's going to start, if ever.  

Benevidez v. Gvozdyk:  Most think Benny should walk through this dude.  Supposedly Benny beat the hell out of Gvozdyk in sparring back when Benny was only 19.  I think this might be closer than everyone thinks.  Gvozdyk is no pushover and he went deep with Beterbiev before finally falling.  Benny tends to have a bit of trouble with movers and Gvozdyk has good feet.  Still think the Red Bandit gets the job done.  Should be a banger.

Billiam-Smith v. Riakporhe:  SD win for Riakporhe back in 2019 when they first fought.   

Matias v. Paro:  Super Light belt on the line in this one. Both guys are pretty good at putting their opponents away.  Should be fun.   

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Benevidez with an easy win over Gvozdyk.  He got severely gassed in the back half of the fight, though.  Don't think he could take Bivol or Beterbiev.

Martin was looking good against Tank.  Then he started backing all the way up to the ropes over and over.  Tank smoked him.  Kinda tired of this shit with Tank though.  He'll eat the guys they feed him, but he isn't trying to look for a tough fight against the best.

Matias v. Paro was a war.  Fun fight.  Paro came to fight and somehow got out of there with the win, even with a point deduction.  

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