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6 hours ago, Codaxx said:

This is the difference between coaches that maximize talent and those that do not. 5 stars are generally good in any system. To get the most out of your recruiting the bottom half of your class needs to fit into the system to maximize them. 

I fully agree with all the points you and @Thatguy are discussing. For me the most frustrating part is a combination effect. They don't necessarily recruit the best players for the system they want to run. Is that star gazing or bad recruiting evaluation, I can't say for sure. Whichever the reason, once they get them in, they seem no to evaluate the existing talent and force them into the scheme they WANT to run. As opposed to, figuring out what they CAN run and executing that aspect. That's clear this year and last. Since this is the Arch thread, crazy news. Arch has different strengths and weaknesses than Quinn had at QB. Yet even when the staff finds a game plan that works well for the QB and the other players around him, they seem determined not to stick with it and revert instead to what they WANT to run. That leads to an offense without and identity. The undefeated teams IU, OSU and even some one and two loss teams, Tech, ND, Oregon all have a clear identity. 

To pile on top, IF a team has an offensive identity you can then focus how to adapt that identity to best align a game plan to differing defenses. For instance, GT is a heavy running identity team averaging about 200 yards per game. (What a dream that would be) However, what's usually worked wasn't going to against Georgia. So GT made adjustments and ended up throwing for nearly 200. It's not great, but they were badly outmatched and a very well coached D (miss ya homie) made a game of it. 

 

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5 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I fully agree with all the points you and @Thatguy are discussing. For me the most frustrating part is a combination effect. They don't necessarily recruit the best players for the system they want to run. Is that star gazing or bad recruiting evaluation, I can't say for sure. Whichever the reason, once they get them in, they seem no to evaluate the existing talent and force them into the scheme they WANT to run. As opposed to, figuring out what they CAN run and executing that aspect. That's clear this year and last. Since this is the Arch thread, crazy news. Arch has different strengths and weaknesses than Quinn had at QB. Yet even when the staff finds a game plan that works well for the QB and the other players around him, they seem determined not to stick with it and revert instead to what they WANT to run. That leads to an offense without and identity. The undefeated teams IU, OSU and even some one and two loss teams, Tech, ND, Oregon all have a clear identity. 

To pile on top, IF a team has an offensive identity you can then focus how to adapt that identity to best align a game plan to differing defenses. For instance, GT is a heavy running identity team averaging about 200 yards per game. (What a dream that would be) However, what's usually worked wasn't going to against Georgia. So GT made adjustments and ended up throwing for nearly 200. It's not great, but they were badly outmatched and a very well coached D (miss ya homie) made a game of it. 

 

Solid points. We changed our offense from a 12 personnel NFL based offense, to a 11 personnel, spread based offense. You know who belonged in a spread offense? Quinn Ewers. Yet we stuffed him into an offense that didn't fit his skillset for 3 years. Sark only changes when he has to not because it makes sense. Probably his worst human quality. Last year Quinn operated just good enough that his hand wasn't forced, so he made no changes. This year his job was on the line so he made a change. But for how long? You know he is just dying to go back to that clunky ass offense. I mean, we don't have 7 TEs on this team because we don't plan on using them. 🤣😂

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6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Solid points. We changed our offense from a 12 personnel NFL based offense, to a 11 personnel, spread based offense. You know who belonged in a spread offense? Quinn Ewers. Yet we stuffed him into an offense that didn't fit his skillset for 3 years. Sark only changes when he has to not because it makes sense. Probably his worst human quality. Last year Quinn operated just good enough that his hand wasn't forced, so he made no changes. This year his job was on the line so he made a change. But for how long? You know he is just dying to go back to that clunky ass offense. I mean, we don't have 7 TEs on this team because we don't plan on using them🤣😂

Dammit!

Speaking of recruiting talent to align with scheme and creating an identity you know what doesn't fucking help?

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7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Solid points. We changed our offense from a 12 personnel NFL based offense, to a 11 personnel, spread based offense. You know who belonged in a spread offense? Quinn Ewers. Yet we stuffed him into an offense that didn't fit his skillset for 3 years. Sark only changes when he has to not because it makes sense. Probably his worst human quality. Last year Quinn operated just good enough that his hand wasn't forced, so he made no changes. This year his job was on the line so he made a change. But for how long? You know he is just dying to go back to that clunky ass offense. I mean, we don't have 7 TEs on this team because we don't plan on using them. 🤣😂

Didn't we play a decent amount of 12 personnel vs A&M?

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18 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Didn't we play a decent amount of 12 personnel vs A&M?

We always play some because that motherfucker can't himself. At least it's no longer the base offense. almost everything positive that happened in that game happened in 11 personnel. If I recall the Endries big play and subsequent TE TD run on the gl were in 12, but I think most of Wisner's big runs were 11. I know his biggest one was. So was the Wingo TD. So was Arch's run. 

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34 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

We always play some because that motherfucker can't himself. At least it's no longer the base offense. almost everything positive that happened in that game happened in 11 personnel. If I recall the Endries big play and subsequent TE TD run on the gl were in 12, but I think most of Wisner's big runs were 11. I know his biggest one was. So was the Wingo TD. So was Arch's run. 

We didn't have great personnel for it this year and didn't execute well. But it worked really well against A&M. 

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21 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

We didn't have great personnel for it this year and didn't execute well. But it worked really well against A&M. 

Shit, we didn't have great personnel for it last year either unless you consider Juan Davis good personnel. Lol 

26 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Why is that?

What part are you asking about? 

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26 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Shit, we didn't have great personnel for it last year either unless you consider Juan Davis good personnel. Lol 

What part are you asking about? 

Yes, I slammed my head against the table every slow ass 3 yard pass with zero yac or tackle breaking that went Davis' way. 

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27 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Shit, we didn't have great personnel for it last year either unless you consider Juan Davis good personnel. Lol 

Strange thing is I actually we could be setup pretty well for next year. But we really need better teaching on blocking scheme and technique, and better coordination with the line. 

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8 hours ago, BlackCat said:

I suspect our run games issues have as much to do with Sark as they do Flood. Im not sure the scheme nor the playcalling put them in a strong position and Sark controls both. 

Sark shouldn’t have Flood as run game coordinator then. He should hire an offensive coordinator and just stick to play design. Teach the OC his system. Let someone up in the booth find holes in the defense. 

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6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Strange thing is I actually we could be setup pretty well for next year. But we really need better teaching on blocking scheme and technique, and better coordination with the line. 

Wanna know why I hate 12 personnel? Check this out. 

I quickly charted what we ran. We ran 17 plays out of 12 personnel, 6 passes and 11 runs, for a total of 115 yards. 70 yards passing and 45 yards running. Seems like its not bad right? Until you look deeper. We were 2-6 passing with the only two pass plays being the Endries catch and run plus the Endries drag route for 10 yards. Every other throw was an incompletion. In the run game we popped a 15 yarder and then when we were trying to salt the game away, aggy loaded the box and got flanked and we popped a 25 yarder. All the other runs were, 2 yards, 2 yard loss, 4 yard run, 2 yard loss, 2 yard loss, 3 yard loss, 2 yard run, 1 yard loss, and a 7 yard run. 

12 personnel is pretty boom or bust, with a lot more bust. You take away 4 plays and we gained 5 yards on 13 plays. 

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

In the run game we popped a 15 yarder and then when we were trying to salt the game away, aggy loaded the box and got flanked and we popped a 25 yarder. All the other runs were, 2 yards, 2 yard loss, 4 yard run, 2 yard loss, 2 yard loss, 3 yard loss, 2 yard run, 1 yard loss, and a 7 yard run. 

12 personnel is pretty boom or bust, with a lot more bust. You take away 4 plays and we gained 5 yards on 13 plays. 

I'm surprised two TEs blocking can't improve the running game.

Which two are playing in 12 most often? Endries and Townsend? I know Shannon is kinda useless.

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5 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

I'm surprised two TEs blocking can't improve the running game.

Which two are playing in 12 most often? Endries and Townsend? I know Shannon is kinda useless.

I would say almost 50/50 with maybe a Townsend lean. 

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On 12/1/2025 at 9:01 PM, elguapo said:

Thanks for putting the time in to cut up these clips and completely agree that the Georgia DL beat up our OL for most of that game, they had an elite DL last season and Kirby does a great job of prepping his team for our running scheme.
 

On that last play while Cam whiffed I really would have liked to see Quinn recognize the blitz was coming climb the pocket and come off his first read quicker, we had guys open over the middle.

What pocket? That was a CB blitz and the safety gave no reads that they were blitzing. Quinn’s reads were center or left which was away from the blitz. Herbstreit mentions that safety did a magnificent job of hiding that blitz for the CB. He tried to throw to the only open guy he had lol. Cam just sucks ass, he fucked that exact same play up against Ohio state that cost them the game. Quinn had his flaws like every qb does but most of his issues stemmed from sark being a stubborn, egotistical asshole with his offensive scheme. 

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I think our D-line had to do with why Stroh got mis-evaluated. We don't have penetrating, havoc causing DTs at the moment. Stroh probably held up pretty well against them. Had this been 2023, he would've been figured out at the first practice vs the 1's. Lol 

Snap. You meant snap. Sweat or Murphy would have tossed him into Ewers for a sack like Reggie White did that wr.
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Solid points. We changed our offense from a 12 personnel NFL based offense, to a 11 personnel, spread based offense. You know who belonged in a spread offense? Quinn Ewers. Yet we stuffed him into an offense that didn't fit his skillset for 3 years. Sark only changes when he has to not because it makes sense. Probably his worst human quality. Last year Quinn operated just good enough that his hand wasn't forced, so he made no changes. This year his job was on the line so he made a change. But for how long? You know he is just dying to go back to that clunky ass offense. I mean, we don't have 7 TEs on this team because we don't plan on using them. 

I complained the last couple of years about the dumb ass offense Sark ran. I agree, Ewers would have killed it in a 4/5 wide spread offense. Mike Leach would have had him pass for 10,000 yards.
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1 hour ago, DFW Horn said:

I'm surprised two TEs blocking can't improve the running game.

Which two are playing in 12 most often? Endries and Townsend? I know Shannon is kinda useless.

Take a look at this quality TE blocking big dawg. Both TEs do everything they can ta make sure their man is the one who tackles the RB. It was like this last year AND in 2023. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, WinningIsHard said:

What pocket? That was a CB blitz and the safety gave no reads that they were blitzing. Quinn’s reads were center or left which was away from the blitz. Herbstreit mentions that safety did a magnificent job of hiding that blitz for the CB. He tried to throw to the only open guy he had lol. Cam just sucks ass, he fucked that exact same play up against Ohio state that cost them the game. Quinn had his flaws like every qb does but most of his issues stemmed from sark being a stubborn, egotistical asshole with his offensive scheme. 

It was always Cam Williams. 4th down and goal. Ball has to go in the end zone no matter what. QB can't throw it away and play another down and you pick that time to whiff on your responsibility with everything on the line. Shameful. 

 

 

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