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4 hours ago, NoName said:

Do you really not understand what the yips are?

Don't use the word if you don't understand it.

There’s a lot he doesn’t understand.  He’s like a white helobius

4 hours ago, closetojumping said:

He’s missing guys by 4 yards on short and stop routes. This is straight up psychological. Insisting otherwise just shows your abject stupidity and the rest of us aren’t in the mood for it. 

BOW is a dumbass?  Tell me something I don’t know

6 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Enough with this bullshit yips mental shit. That shit is okay for isolated stretch in a game, not 3 game stretches especially vs bad competition. Arch is in his fucking 3rd year of the system and he’s missing wide open players in the offense, not seeing wide open players in the offense, etc. this is just straight up dog shit qb play 

Knoblauch had them for 3 years.  You really are hard to defend.  
 

if Arch actually looked like this in high school and practice than sark wouldn’t have him out there. 

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5 minutes ago, SarkAfterDark said:

If he can’t hire the right people to do this for him now, I’m not sure why we should think him hiring an OC would be any different. Also what OC worth a shit would come here just to get micromanaged by Sark. We hired this dude to call plays, he has brought us back to national relevance calling plays. Rewatching games and watching the all-22 when available displays the play calling isn’t the main issue here. So do we relieve him of calling plays so he can focus more on coaching QBs at the possible expense of the play calling taking a back seat? I’d rather hire a better QB coach. 

He’s hired the right people defensively. His running back coaching hires have been good. The only coaching spots that haven’t had turnover are OL and QB. Two of the weakest units on this team and OL specifically has never seems to take the next step to be great, especially in run game. That is a concern. I feel Ewers and Manning have both regressed under Milwee. Idk what to think about WR at the moment. But I’d like to see those 5 stars we paid good NIL get their shot over Niblett and Butler. 
 

I have no doubt that sark could hire a great play calling OC given his ability to hire defensively. Imo we should look for that along with OL coach, some fresh eyes may do wonders here and on the recruiting trail. 

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29 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Do you mean Sam Houston?  Because that is probably the only game we win with an offensive performance like we had yesterday.  Sure, maybe the defense could win us 1 or 2 others but that was a 5-7 performance.   None of the other top 25 SEC teams are "flawed" in any comparable way to what we witnessed yesterday.   You are smoking crack if you think UGA is the only team that "might" beat us dude.  If we can't improve significantly before conference play starts it will be a struggle to get to 6 wins and I'm dead serious. Once a team starts taking on water it's hard to turn it around.   I have not doubt the coaching staff is in full blown panic mode right now because our offense has regressed over 3 games.

I agree they're probably in absolute panic mode. How the fuck do we have a QB who literally cannot throw an accurate pass if he just tossed the ball to the guy in front of him? My hope stems from back to back semis and PK. We have the athletes, but lack the QB...right now. And if you don't think any of those teams are flawed, I don't know what to tell you. UF lost to USF 18-16, then followed that up with just 10 points and he threw 5 fucking INT'S. FIVE. Their offense is comically bad, and this is the QB both Gerry and Bobby have a hard-on for. But sure, he's going to go 34/40 5 TD's against our defense. They're lost on offense, and Lagway is as bad as Arch, but we still have a better defense.  That's not great, Bob. Georgia struggled with Austin Peay 28-6. A&M allowed 22 & 24 points from UTSA and Utah State, and 40 against ND. Vandy defense allowed 20 from VTech, who just fired their coach today, and Sellers getting knocked out. Oklahoma allowed a rebuilding Michigan team with a true freshman to put up 13 in their house against the prodigal defensive wunderkind and their RB drug his nuts all over their faces. We have at least 3 of those, while they only managed 24 with their "savior" on offense. Mississippi State barely beat ASU 24-20 at home. That's a solid win, but hardly a trophy lifting win. 

 

You're telling me that none of those teams have a lot to work on is absolute nonsense, and you know it. You're having a knee-jerk reaction. The ones that played anyone with a pulse (if you even consider Michigan a pulse, ou got run the fuck over, and you don't think we can do the Same? K.), The biggest win any of those teams have is Aggie against ND, and ND dropped 40 on that defense, but you're scared they might do the same to us? They're aggie. They do this shit every year for the last century. Their motto is we win the off-season, but the regular season we fall off the coaster. Get a grip, man. 

It's fine if you want to be down on the team, I get it. I'm not exactly moved by them, either. I am, however, encouraged by our depth at RB, and I think by the time conference play starts, which we get a bye before, Arch will at the very least be serviceable. Nothing more. Sark will lean on the running game more, and occasionally let Arch throw an easy ball and let our athletes do their thing. 

My only hesitation is our o-line. If Flood can't figure out Stroh is Tristan Nickleson 2.0, he needs to go. Goosby is great, Campbell is really good when he's not picking up penalties, no clue on Hutson, I just assume he sucks no matter where he plays. I fully expect Brooks to be back by conference play, and hopefully Chatman gets a look. He can't be any worse. Baker is getting the work he needs. He's been great at times, and he's shit the bed at times. Trial by fire. Every single team needs work. It's game 3. We get two weeks to fix shit, so hopefully they use that time to do so. 

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14 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

I agree they're probably in absolute panic mode. How the fuck do we have a QB who literally cannot throw an accurate pass if he just tossed the ball to the guy in front of him? My hope stems from back to back semis and PK. We have the athletes, but lack the QB...right now. And if you don't think any of those teams are flawed, I don't know what to tell you. UF lost to USF 18-16, then followed that up with just 10 points and he threw 5 fucking INT'S. FIVE. Their offense is comically bad, and this is the QB both Gerry and Bobby have a hard-on for. But sure, he's going to go 34/40 5 TD's against our defense. They're lost on offense, and Lagway is as bad as Arch, but we still have a better defense.  That's not great, Bob. Georgia struggled with Austin Peay 28-6. A&M allowed 22 & 24 points from UTSA and Utah State, and 40 against ND. Vandy defense allowed 20 from VTech, who just fired their coach today, and Sellers getting knocked out. Oklahoma allowed a rebuilding Michigan team with a true freshman to put up 13 in their house against the prodigal defensive wunderkind and their RB drug his nuts all over their faces. We have at least 3 of those, while they only managed 24 with their "savior" on offense. Mississippi State barely beat ASU 24-20 at home. That's a solid win, but hardly a trophy lifting win. 

 

You're telling me that none of those teams have a lot to work on is absolute nonsense, and you know it. You're having a knee-jerk reaction. The ones that played anyone with a pulse (if you even consider Michigan a pulse, ou got run the fuck over, and you don't think we can do the Same? K.), The biggest win any of those teams have is Aggie against ND, and ND dropped 40 on that defense, but you're scared they might do the same to us? They're aggie. They do this shit every year for the last century. Their motto is we win the off-season, but the regular season we fall off the coaster. Get a grip, man. 

It's fine if you want to be down on the team, I get it. I'm not exactly moved by them, either. I am, however, encouraged by our depth at RB, and I think by the time conference play starts, which we get a bye before, Arch will at the very least be serviceable. Nothing more. Sark will lean on the running game more, and occasionally let Arch throw an easy ball and let our athletes do their thing. 

My only hesitation is our o-line. If Flood can't figure out Stroh is Tristan Nickleson 2.0, he needs to go. Goosby is great, Campbell is really good when he's not picking up penalties, no clue on Hutson, I just assume he sucks no matter where he plays. I fully expect Brooks to be back by conference play, and hopefully Chatman gets a look. He can't be any worse. Baker is getting the work he needs. He's been great at times, and he's shit the bed at times. Trial by fire. Every single team needs work. It's game 3. We get two weeks to fix shit, so hopefully they use that time to do so. 

I agree with a lot of things that you’ve said. This offense isn’t being “fixed” in two weeks though. You don’t just go from struggling to get first downs against UTEP & San Jose State to putting up points in SEC play. The only thing that the team seems to do well at this point is designed QB runs, and sometimes the undesigned ones. I don’t know how Arch’s family feels about that, but he might want to lean it to it if he wants to remain a starter. I also have this delusional thought in my head that Mosleys return will help the offense at least stay on the field longer. 

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22 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

You're telling me that none of those teams have a lot to work on is absolute nonsense, and you know it. You're having a knee-jerk reaction. 

I never said none of those teams aren't flawed.  I'm saying the upper tier of those teams (UGA, OU, A&M and Vandy) certainly look less flawed than we do.  And the offense we rolled out yesterday could absolutely manage to lose a road game at UF, UK or MSU.  It's not "knee jerk" when you have a 3 game sample size and week 3 was worst performance yet when adjusting for opponent.

We pretty much had to run Arch to move chains yesterday against f'n UTEP.  That is OU 2024 in a nutshell.  I'm not saying we can't improve and I'm not "expecting" 6-6.  But I don't know what the answers are either.  Arch either figures it out mentally by conference play or we have to try to win rock fights with Caldwell.   I would feel better about our ability to do that if our interior OL wasn't terrible.   I don't understand how Stroh is our best option.  

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Holy hell, we don't play Florida for 3 weeks and they're turning into what we expected.  Yeah, if Arch plays like he did yesterday that's gonna kill our season, but it's not as if most of those were forced errors.  This mostly comes down to fixing his fucked head.  We'll see if that's possible, but this is not a talent or coaching issue, not by a long shot.

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3 hours ago, scramblyn said:

Plus they develop somewhere else with the potential of learning the QB mechanics from an anti-milwee 

This shit is so funny to me. Do you honestly believe Milwee is having the greatest influence on the mechanics of Arch Fucking Manning? This dude grew up tossing the rock surrounded by Mannings. If his mechanics are fucked up, they are what they are. 

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1 minute ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

This shit is so funny to me. Do you honestly believe Milwee is having the greatest influence on the mechanics of Arch Fucking Manning? This dude grew up tossing the rock surrounded by Mannings. If his mechanics are fucked up, they are what they are. 

Supposedly his mechanics were good now they aren’t. The fuck I know I’m not a coach. Ewers got worse or didn’t improve. Yada yada yada.

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Holy hell, we don't play Florida for 3 weeks and they're turning into what we expected.  Yeah, if Arch plays like he did yesterday that's gonna kill our season, but it's not as if most of those were forced errors.  This mostly comes down to fixing his fucked head.  We'll see if that's possible, but this is not a talent or coaching issue, not by a long shot.

The pressure only ramps up from here.

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11 hours ago, TommyGufano said:

Welp, i think the TE room might be good. And Goosby can play. Other than that I'm struggling to find anything to get excited about on offense. What the fuck

TE room looks legit. James Simon looks legit, haven't seen a UT back breaking tackles like that in a while. The receivers look good, Livingstone should have had 2 more TDs yesterday but Arch didnt put the ball within 5 yds of him. He was open by several steps. 

Sark ran about 60 percent zone blocking plays in the running game, so it's no wonder the line looked bad. I don't get what the fuck he's seeing. Is he saving the 90 percent gap and power ratio calls for Florida? 

For the first time I'm really starting to wonder if Sark needs a dedicated OC. He definitely needs to get rid of Milwee. Can't have 2 QB regress under your watch and not get shit canned. 

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I know a lot are down on flood but I'm in the minority that our olines are fine. 

We are a light years ahead of Mack Brown and whatever the previous 2 regimes put out. 

We had most of our line drafted ffs. 

Should he be OC ? Fuck no

Fire Mildew into the sun and hire the best fucking OC and QB coach and get it done 

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Milwee was a big part of that recruitment and a relationship got formed between him and the Mannings. At least at one point they were big fans of his. Wonder where things stand now. 

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I'm not as high on the TEs as some of you apparently are.  Maybe it is because we haven't targeted them enough in the passing game, but I feel like when we go 12 personnel that just brings one more defender into the box, and now we have to execute seven blocks to have a successful run, and chances are one of of the seven will get beat.  Maybe it would still be mediocre, but I'd like to see 11 personnel, flex Endries out and then run the backs with Arch as a backside constraint.

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A lot of you are making this very complicated.  The QB is missing wide open receivers and targets who are a few yards away from him.   That's the problem. Not the coach, not the tight ends, not the line, not the QB coach, not the defensive end.

People like to feel like the world isn't random. It's why conspiracy theories exist. It's why people look to blame politicians after natural disasters. No one wants to admit the universe is a scary, random place. 

The QB has randomly lost the ability to throw, there is no one to blame, and there is no remedy available. We are all left to hope it randomly changes.

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People are desperately looking to spread blame because they don’t want to accept the truth. 
 

Those watching fall camp were under the impression this team would compete for a national championship. One player has ultimately changed that outlook. To me this means Arch was at least a serviceable QB in practice who could lead this team to an outstanding season. Then came the pressure and expectations. Not everyone is built for that scenario and some simply take time to adjust. The reason is in his head.

Regarding QE also “regressing”, one has to simply look at the odds of a blue chip high school QB (or hell, even a 1st round draft pick) actually having the “it” factor and meeting expectations, to understand it’s quite possible neither had “it”.

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17 minutes ago, fellside said:

A lot of you are making this very complicated.  The QB is missing wide open receivers and targets who are a few yards away from him.   That's the problem. Not the coach, not the tight ends, not the line, not the QB coach, not the defensive end.

People like to feel like the world isn't random. It's why conspiracy theories exist. It's why people look to blame politicians after natural disasters. No one wants to admit the universe is a scary, random place. 

The QB has randomly lost the ability to throw, there is no one to blame, and there is no remedy available. We are all left to hope it randomly changes.

I agree its very likely simple, but it doesn't feel that random to me. The expectations for the guy are through the roof, there's not any wiggle room in there. Its gotten to him. 

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6 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Then why did you assert this?

Enough with this bullshit yips mental shit. That shit is okay for isolated stretch in a game, not 3 game stretches especially vs bad competition.

 

It wouldn't shock me if he has some injury that isn't helping, but that guy is clearly in his own head.  See (for instance) Chuck Knoblach.

Or for us olds, Steve Blass.

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5 minutes ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

People are desperately looking to spread blame because they don’t want to accept the truth. 

Calling out our OL isn't necessarily spreading blame.  Granted it was an anticipated weakness but probably also falls into the category of worse than expected.  I thought we would struggle against good defenses but also expected us to be able to run at will against SJSU and UTEP and that wasn't the case.  Remember when last year we could just lean on the running game to close out games against UK, A&M and Clemson?  Don't think we'll be able to do that this year.  Which of course exacerbates the Arch problem.  

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1 minute ago, Skipper said:

Calling out our OL isn't necessarily spreading blame.  Granted it was an anticipated weakness but probably also falls into the category of worse than expected.  I thought we would struggle against good defenses but also expected us to be able to run at will against SJSU and UTEP and that wasn't the case.  Remember when last year we could just lean on the running game to close out games against UK, A&M and Clemson?  Don't think we'll be able to do that this year.  Which of course exacerbates the Arch problem.  

I should have been more clear, as I was mainly referring to the Sark/Milwee blame. 
 

I knew the OL would be more of a liability than many were willing to discuss. There were too many very important pieces being replaced. OL’s take time to work well together. When you have a QB who can’t hit the floor when he falls out of bed and doesn’t run often, it allows the DL to absolutely pin their ears back.

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