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On 12/14/2025 at 6:05 PM, Thatguy said:

So what is your reason for thinking this kid is not going to make it? 

He's not a very good quarterback.  He's started 4 games, vs the #s 16, 18, 27 and 24 overall defenses in the league.  5TD, 6INT, completed 55.7% of his passes (compare to the entire league avg of 64.3% in 2025) and his passer rating is an 80.9 (compare to the entire league avg of 91.2 in 2025).  

On 12/14/2025 at 6:05 PM, Thatguy said:

He had the best numbers coming out of college 

Comparing to the QBs taken before him: 2nd highest ratio for both INT:TD and INT:ATT, 3rd in Passing Yards/Gm, 4th in Yards/Attempt, 4th in Adjusted Yards/Attempt, 6th in Yards/Completion.

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22 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Yea.  Stefanski wants sheduer to suck so that he can get himself fired.  There’s also this:

 

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fully agree that sheduer is the only guy stuck with Jerry jeudy but Sheduer has to shoulder some of this 

And this post right here is why you have a 1-1 post to rep ratio. You are in the Arch thread pointing out every negative around Arch that is the reason for his struggles, and you are correct on some of them. Then you come here and fail to see that Shedeur is in the exact same situations, and fail to give him the same rope you gave Arch. Cleveland has one of the worst offensive lines in the league. They've given up 40 sacks, which is a lot for a team that drops back as little as they do. Outside of Sanders scrambles, they've run the ball for 26, 32, 93, and 51.  It's literally the exact same situation that you were banging the drum for Arch but because it's Sanders, you cannot see the forest for the trees. O-line can't hold up, where is the quick game? The Bears spent the whole day mugging the LOS, where is the screen game? 

Couple that with the fact that it's pretty clear his coach doesn't like him and doesn't want him to succeed. It starts with zero reps with the 1's until they toss him in the game a few weeks ago. Leaking out to the media that he wants out. Somehow Sanders was playing with the wrong wristband most of the first half. 

Despite that the kid is making throws that are more accurate than any of the other quarterbacks that came out of the draft last year. His issue is trying to play hero ball, which is what he had to do at Colorado. If he would trust the process and just throw the ball away he would already be a solid NFL QB. This was one of his interceptions. A ball put perfectly in the only spot it could be put for his WR to make a play and Juedy had it taken away from him. 

 

 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

And this post right here is why you have a 1-1 post to rep ratio. 

 

 

 

 

 

My 1:1 post ratio is better than sheduers td to int ratio:

 

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He’s completing 51% of his passes.  If he throws it away anymore he’d be below 50%
 

it’s always someone else’s fault.   Stefanski is sabotaging sheduer to the point where he may even lose his job.  It’s always someone else holding them down.  Sheduer blames his OL while other qbs take the blame.  

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3 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

My 1:1 post ratio is better than sheduers td to int ratio:

 

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He’s completing 51% of his passes.  If he throws it away anymore he’d be below 50%
 

it’s always someone else’s fault.   Stefanski is sabotaging sheduer to the point where he may even lose his job.  It’s always someone else holding them down.  Sheduer blames his OL while other qbs take the blame.  

Lol. Where did Shedeur blame his O-line? Over the course of Ohio State, San Jose, Utep, and Florida, Arch Manning was 55%. Somehow you felt like he would pull out of it. Why is that? And why wouldn't you extend that same faith to the guy who has the record for most accurate passer in college football history? 

I know the answer to these I just wanna hear you say them. 

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10 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Over the course of Ohio State, San Jose, Utep, and Florida, Arch Manning was 55%. Somehow you felt like he would pull out of it. Why is that?

I sure didn’t. Guess I’m a consistent hater. 

Football will be better if Sanders succeeds. 

But it’s Cleveland. Cleveland. 

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Sanders does some good things, but he isn't good enough to act the way he did in college. That's a big reason why he fell to where he did in the draft. He's also careless with the ball, that shit will lose you games. 

That ball he threw to Jeudy was also not great, but he gave his guy a chance to make a play and he didn't.

That being said, I enjoy watching him but I would hate it if he was on a team I cared about.

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1 minute ago, B00M said:

I sure didn’t. Guess I’m a consistent hater. 

Football will be better if Sanders succeeds. 

But it’s Cleveland. Cleveland. 

And that's the thing. Imagine condemning someone for struggling in Cleveland. Lol

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9 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Lol. Where did Shedeur blame his O-line? Over the course of Ohio State, San Jose, Utep, and Florida, Arch Manning was 55%. Somehow you felt like he would pull out of it. Why is that? And why wouldn't you extend that same faith to the guy who has the record for most accurate passer in college football history? 

I know the answer to these I just wanna hear you say them. 

What’s the truth?   I’ve said in this thread sanders will have good games and bad games. 
 

as for Arch, my early posts were “no way he’s this bad right?  He’s been doing this for 17 years of his life.  No way sark would recruit someone that was this bad. “.  So I actually acknowledged arch was playing like shit because he has eyes.  Not sure if you kept watching the rest of the season but arch did turn it around.  I was right. Some of it was Hope. Some of it was faith.  But I also said it was time to make a change if he had a couple more games like utep
 

sanders blamed his OL vs Nebraska 

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48 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Arch seems to have figured it out or certainly played better as the season progressed.  

Undeniably but it sure didn’t look like he was going to figure it out until the 4th quarter against Mississippi State happened. 

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I think we’re making @Thatguy’s point right now that if we genuinely knew what we were watching we would’ve been much more confident in Arch much sooner lol 

Maybe it’s a good time to buy stock in Sanders. I don’t know

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1 hour ago, B00M said:

I think we’re making @Thatguy’s point right now that if we genuinely knew what we were watching we would’ve been much more confident in Arch much sooner lol 

Maybe it’s a good time to buy stock in Sanders. I don’t know

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I think the jury is out on not sheduer and Arch?  Both young guys that will have their ups and downs. I’ve said as much about both. 

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11 hours ago, Atticus said:

That being said, I enjoy watching him but I would hate it if he was on a team I cared about.

Yeah but if that team you cared about was the Browns...

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Every time i watch Shedeur, going back to college as well, he'll throw 3 to 4 balls that none of the quarterbacks in the last draft can make. Then it's mostly him continuing to hold the ball too long. He's obsessed with completion percentage and it's to the detriment of every team that'll have him. He prefers a 7 yard loss to a slight dip in percentage. Because he's a dickhead and his lifetime dickhead coach allowed him to do that. 

He's very accurate. He platforms quickly and can make off balance throws. There are definitely tools there but he has a long way to go. There's nothing exceptional that separates him from the rest of the quarterbacks in the last draft class. Being an immature cunt didn't help him at all and that's why he dropped. 

The first player drafted overall was a black quarterback so the slightest mentions of racism is entirely idiotic. 

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9 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

What’s the truth?   I’ve said in this thread sanders will have good games and bad games. 
 

as for Arch, my early posts were “no way he’s this bad right?  He’s been doing this for 17 years of his life.  No way sark would recruit someone that was this bad. “.  So I actually acknowledged arch was playing like shit because he has eyes.  Not sure if you kept watching the rest of the season but arch did turn it around.  I was right. Some of it was Hope. Some of it was faith.  But I also said it was time to make a change if he had a couple more games like utep
 

sanders blamed his OL vs Nebraska 

Thanks for finally giving a real answer. 

Look dude, I don't give a shit how some player posture in front of the microphone because its all fake, right? Major Applewhite was a grade A asshole on the team, but was "awe shucks" at the podium. Sanders is a cocky bastard, but the media largely is pouring gasoline on it for views and clicks. Asking him all kinds of out of pocket questions to try and drive a wedge between him and his coach. If you watch the interviews he has been handling it pretty well. He is not Pavia. 

 

Here is my position on Quarterbacks, and this applies to Sanders, Arch, or Quinn. If you are capable of throwing a ball on time and accurately there is a system that you can perform in at a high level. Tom Brady didn't have the strongest arm and couldn't get out of the way of a toddler so they prioritized his o-line, and developed a spread type offense to fit his skillset. Had the coach decided to spend all his money on skill players and not line, Brady doesn't end up the goat. Sometimes a coach has to get his ego out of the way and serve the player. Sark is an ego guy who was forced to finally make a change to his offense because Arch couldn't play in it. He put put Arch in something that better fit his skillset and now he looks light years better. 

What you are seeing in Cleveland right now is a coach who isn't trying to work with his player. Constantly putting him in terrible situations. They even gave him the wrong wristband in the Chicago game. I'm not the kind of guy who makes claims without receipts. So let's take a look at the Bears game and you tell me if this is a good environment for a rookie QB. 

 

1st series the Bears punt and down it on the two yard line. Browns come out and run for 2 yards just to get some space. 

 

2nd down and Browns send the wrong personnel out there and get a flaf for 12 men. Now the little bit of room they got they give right back with a penalty. 

 

Obviously they aren't going to throw it so they run off tackle on 3rd down. 

 

2nd series and the Browns are already down 0-7. They send in the play and its clear something isn't right. We would later find out that Sanders has the wrong playsheet on his wristband. Sanders has to run to the sideline to get the play. By the time they get the play off it's a delay of game. 

 

Now its 1st and 15 and we can already see where this is going. They fake the stretch play and boot out the bck to a levels concept and everyone is covered. Sanders wisely throws it away. 

 

2nd and 15 and as you can imagine the Browns are thinking the Bears are pinning their ears back. They call a play to get the ball out quick and Sanders hits his TE over the middle for 5. 

 

Now its 3rd and 10. Watch the offensive line. They slide protection the wrong way. All 5 offensive linemen end up blocking only two men while the back has two free rushers off the edge. Luckily Sanders is able to escape and run for it. While the video say he picked up the 1st, he ended up a yard short when they took a look at it. Coach doesn't go for it and they punt. 

 

Now they are down 14 points and you are putting your rookie QB in a bad spot where if you don't do something soon he is going to have to throw into the teeth of the number 1 defense in the NFL when it comes to takeaways. We try to get cute and run a slow ass jet sweep, or should I say prop engine sweep with your TE who get absolutely popped on a two yard gain. 

 

So it's 2nd and 8. Sanders drops back to throw and the guard-center-guard combo let a man come completely free up the B- gap while they are fucking around trying to pass a two man twist that they still fuck up. Sack.

 

Now it's 3rd and 16. Sanders drops back and gets the ball out quick to his TE underneath. Punt. 

 

 

As a coach you cannot put your rookie QB in this situation. Not only are we not protecting him, but all the avoidable mistakes that caused us to throwaway series and put the kid in a situation where NOW he has to try and throw them out of the hole they put themselves in. This isn't me making excuses. This is incompetence on full display that you wouldn't know about unless you were watching. On the last 20 seconds of the last video, listen to the sideline reporter talking about how they had to change the wristband. 

This is the kind of shit this kid is going through. An absolute clownshow! Sure, he could've not tried to press at the end of the game and turn the ball over, but he is a young guy down a bazillion points by the time the game gets going. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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