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For those who like to use PFF as a bible, here's an example of the various services that NFL writers/analysts use that varies at a ridiculous degree for a metric 

And PFF's NFL stuff has much more money and eyes put on it than their college stuff

 

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On 9/11/2025 at 8:32 AM, MuellerHorn said:

Thursday: Bobby

Very interested to see how our Oline performs against UTEP. They lost to Utah State and beat Tennessee Martin. This is not a team we should struggle with, sack and TFL stats notwithstanding. 

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First and foremost, the last couple of days, there has been some arguing on this message board that has gone too far.

Name-calling, baiting, overly aggressive tones, etc.

The bottom line is this:

Good people can disagree WITHOUT hurling insults.

 

 

I agree—who would want to be a member of a place like that, overrun with a bunch of assholes?

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7 hours ago, Hermanator said:

On Wednesday's OTF Coffee and Football they had Tony Hills talk about the Oline and he was asked what he thought of Stroh vs Neto. He said Stroh is obviously ahead ans has been playing well. 

I don't think he's watched a minute of film review. 

Some of you may not understand film. 

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3 minutes ago, Blackcat00 said:

Some of you may not understand film. 

yeah, perhaps Stroh was always supposed to let his man beat him across his face while he fell on the ground.  Just like coach drew it up!

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Posted
7 hours ago, Hermanator said:

On Wednesday's OTF Coffee and Football they had Tony Hills talk about the Oline and he was asked what he thought of Stroh vs Neto. He said Stroh is obviously ahead ans has been playing well. 

I don't think he's watched a minute of film review. 

I thought Hutson was at least as bad as Stroh against SJSU. Hutson looks more coordinated, but they were similarly effective. I still don't even understand what Hutson and Stroh were doing on the play where Campbell was called for holding on the pass to Livingstone. 

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On 9/11/2025 at 10:27 AM, DaysOff said:


Come to the game threads.

I feel like game threads are their own animal. 

Part of the reason to participate in something like that as a collective is to have an avenue for cathartic release instead of simply screaming into the ether. The cray crays on those things also provide a benefit to the rest of us by allowing us to realize as emotionally unstable as we are when the team isn't meeting our expectations, "at least I'm not as bad as THAT guy," whoever it is. 

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Friday: Bobby

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OTF Premium Friday

 

Bobby Burton

By Bobby Burton

  • 3 hours ago
 

Steve Sarkisian said he didn’t think any of the players that will miss tomorrow’s game will have long stays on the injured list.

But it’s still quite the list, especially at the skill positions on offense.

Tre Wisner and DeAndre Moore are expected out. Portal transfer Emmett Mosley V, who we’ve yet to see, remains sidelined, too. That’s your no. 1 running back and two of your top four receivers.

No wonder Sark spent a lot of yesterday talking up true freshman Daylan McCutcheon.

Here at OTF, we’ve talked about one of the categories of improvement we want to see in this Texas offense is its explosiveness. Well, it’s hard to be explosive when all of your TNT may not even have a fuse ready to light.

We’ll see what happens tomorrow. Parker Livingstone seems to be a consistent playmaker. So does Jack Endries. Will Ryan Wingo join them? What about another running back outside of Cedric Baxter?

This game is tailor-made for someone new to step up and add a layer of explosiveness to the Texas offense. We just don’t know who it will be.

**

Defensive lineman Alex January is expected to miss tomorrow’s game. January may not be able to go next week either, but he should be fine by SEC play.

**

This is an offensive line game in many respects.

Sark said the OL was perhaps caught a little off guard by how much movement (pre- and post-snap) San Jose State deployed a week ago. UTEP should be very similar.

So will the Texas OL improve week over week?

As much as we want to see Arch improve every week, we need to see the OL do the same just as much.

**

We saw the first senior season recruiting offer go out on Wednesday to Braylon Hodge of Cherry Creek High School in suburban Denver. That’s the same high school as former Longhorn Gunnar Helm.

Hodge is committed to Michigan State. But he recently picked up an offer from not only Texas but also Michigan.

It’ll be interesting to monitor just how interested Hodge is in the Longhorns and how firm he is in his pledge to the Spartans. Hodge has already scheduled an unofficial visit to Austin so that is a very promising sign for the Horns.

 

 

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Something I've been kicking around in the noggin

I wonder if Sark wants an offense that scales up to being able to hit the highest notes of game-planning against the best competition. He wants to be able to run just about every run play possible. Different runs require different techniques not limited to steps, rules, and angles, and there's a reason some coaches prefer to major in one type of run (whether it's IZ, OZ, counter, duo, etc). Because of the time and practice constraints in college, and because you're dealing with college kids, there's a true give-take between the quality of blocking for a given scheme and the number of schemes you're implementing. Also it's possible that working on a variety of runs in college leads to more of a focus on just getting your assignment right and "shield blocking" rather than aggressively displacing your man 

To start the season you're probably looking at being surface-level at a lot of schemes while hoping you have a couple of runs to hang your hat on; looking at a jack of all runs, master of some (or none). When defenses show unexpected wrinkles that you didn't rep that week, but you know that you've taught it in practice at some point, OL is a weakest link position, and it only takes one OL fuck up the play.

To start the season, you're hoping that experience or young-but-bright OL grok it as much as possible, but as the season goes on your level of understanding goes up across the board. It's a process. You'd love to know which players get it in fall camp if not spring camp so you can start the building up process as soon as possible, but sometimes that just doesn't in the cards, or injuries happen. Sometimes your game-planning for week one and a player keeps fucking up his assignment against the expected fronts/stunts. 

Anyway, this is just a theory, but I'm hoping the OL individually and collectively gets better at the various runs as the season goes on. I think the passing game will eventually click at a high level that scales up, but I'm hoping the run get will get to the point to where it truly punishes defenses rather than just jabs them 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Fud said:

For those who like to use PFF as a bible, here's an example of the various services that NFL writers/analysts use that varies at a ridiculous degree for a metric 

And PFF's NFL stuff has much more money and eyes put on it than their college stuff

 

 

Christian Bale GIF by PeacockTV

.... let's see ChatGPT's PFF scores.

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21 minutes ago, Fud said:

Something I've been kicking around in the noggin

I wonder if Sark wants an offense that scales up to being able to hit the highest notes of game-planning against the best competition. He wants to be able to run just about every run play possible. Different runs require different techniques not limited to steps, rules, and angles, and there's a reason some coaches prefer to major in one type of run (whether it's IZ, OZ, counter, duo, etc). Because of the time and practice constraints in college, and because you're dealing with college kids, there's a true give-take between the quality of blocking for a given scheme and the number of schemes you're implementing. Also it's possible that working on a variety of runs in college leads to more of a focus on just getting your assignment right and "shield blocking" rather than aggressively displacing your man 

To start the season you're probably looking at being surface-level at a lot of schemes while hoping you have a couple of runs to hang your hat on; looking at a jack of all runs, master of some (or none). When defenses show unexpected wrinkles that you didn't rep that week, but you know that you've taught it in practice at some point, OL is a weakest link position, and it only takes one OL fuck up the play.

To start the season, you're hoping that experience or young-but-bright OL grok it as much as possible, but as the season goes on your level of understanding goes up across the board. It's a process. You'd love to know which players get it in fall camp if not spring camp so you can start the building up process as soon as possible, but sometimes that just doesn't in the cards, or injuries happen. Sometimes your game-planning for week one and a player keeps fucking up his assignment against the expected fronts/stunts. 

Anyway, this is just a theory, but I'm hoping the OL individually and collectively gets better at the various runs as the season goes on. I think the passing game will eventually click at a high level that scales up, but I'm hoping the run get will get to the point to where it truly punishes defenses rather than just jabs them 

I remember the days when we were sandbagging on offense until the OU game. And then we sandbagged for that game, too, just to be safe.

One thing I will tell you, when I rewatch the game and I'm watching an offensive lineman consistently getting beat, and then I look closer to see who it is, and the number 79 seems to come up often, that's not about Sarkisian preparing for later on in the season. That's a guy who is challenged to perform the task that has been assigned to him. 

What I don't know is what's going on in practice? What kind of struggles is Neto Umeozulu demonstrating? Is the witness protection program Nate Kibbles apparently entered into that effective? What happened with putting Robertson at center and moving Hutson over? Maybe Stroh is simply the best option in terms of splitting snaps with Umeozulu, but his future acumen isn't being demonstrated to these laymen eyes. All I know is that when Hutson and Stroh are lined up next to each other on the interior, I don't feel like right now that's a lineup geared for success. And I don't think it has much to do with Sarkisian scaling up the offense.

That said, I do feel like he is going out of his way to give Arch Manning passing reps. I also wonder if Manning is being told to go through his progressions rather than taking off. I have some mixed feelings if that is the case, and I don't know if it is anyway.  

I still think the main thing that's not being executed consistently enough is Manning getting the ball into the receivers' hands, and the receivers actually holding on to the ball when he does so.

Also, the offensive penalties were not helpful.

When your average down and distance is 3rd and 9.7 yards to go, that's not good. Against San Jose State. My hope is that we see improvement in that aspect tomorrow. 

I do know there are a lot of people on this board who are more down on this team than I am. I continue to hope and expect great things from these guys. Sure, they'll need to show improvement to do it, but we're two games into the season. We have UTEP and Sam Houston State, then let's see what we look like in Gainesville. If we look like hammered shit against Florida I'll have some serious concerns about the season. But I've always pointed at that as a healthy barometer for what kind of progress has been made from the opener until then. 

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6 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

I remember the days when we were sandbagging on offense until the OU game. And then we sandbagged for that game, too, just to be safe.

One thing I will tell you, when I rewatch the game and I'm watching an offensive lineman consistently getting beat, and then I look closer to see who it is, and the number 79 seems to come up often, that's not about Sarkisian preparing for later on in the season. That's a guy who is challenged to perform the task that has been assigned to him. 

What I don't know is what's going on in practice? What kind of struggles is Neto Umeozulu demonstrating? Is the witness protection program Nate Kibbles apparently entered into that effective? What happened with putting Robertson at center and moving Hutson over? Maybe Stroh is simply the best option in terms of splitting snaps with Umeozulu, but his future acumen isn't being demonstrated to these laymen eyes. All I know is that when Hutson and Stroh are lined up next to each other on the interior, I don't feel like right now that's a lineup geared for success. And I don't think it has much to do with Sarkisian scaling up the offense.

That said, I do feel like he is going out of his way to give Arch Manning passing reps. I also wonder if Manning is being told to go through his progressions rather than taking off. I have some mixed feelings if that is the case, and I don't know if it is anyway.  

I still think the main thing that's not being executed consistently enough is Manning getting the ball into the receivers' hands, and the receivers actually holding on to the ball when he does so.

Also, the offensive penalties were not helpful.

When your average down and distance is 3rd and 9.7 yards to go, that's not good. Against San Jose State. My hope is that we see improvement in that aspect tomorrow. 

I do know there are a lot of people on this board who are more down on this team than I am. I continue to hope and expect great things from these guys. Sure, they'll need to show improvement to do it, but we're two games into the season. We have UTEP and Sam Houston State, then let's see what we look like in Gainesville. If we look like hammered shit against Florida I'll have some serious concerns about the season. But I've always pointed at that as a healthy barometer for what kind of progress has been made from the opener until then. 

To be clear, my theory isn't sandbagging. It's actually closer to the opposite of that. Trying to be good at everything early in the season rather than focusing on a couple of run concepts and knowing those like the back of your dick 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Fud said:

To be clear, my theory isn't sandbagging. It's actually closer to the opposite of that. Trying to be good at everything early in the season rather than focusing on a couple of run concepts and knowing those like the back of your dick 

To be clear, I was being a jerk about those Greg Davis offenses. 

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45 minutes ago, Fud said:

Something I've been kicking around in the noggin

I wonder if Sark wants an offense that scales up to being able to hit the highest notes of game-planning against the best competition. He wants to be able to run just about every run play possible. Different runs require different techniques not limited to steps, rules, and angles, and there's a reason some coaches prefer to major in one type of run (whether it's IZ, OZ, counter, duo, etc). Because of the time and practice constraints in college, and because you're dealing with college kids, there's a true give-take between the quality of blocking for a given scheme and the number of schemes you're implementing. Also it's possible that working on a variety of runs in college leads to more of a focus on just getting your assignment right and "shield blocking" rather than aggressively displacing your man 

To start the season you're probably looking at being surface-level at a lot of schemes while hoping you have a couple of runs to hang your hat on; looking at a jack of all runs, master of some (or none). When defenses show unexpected wrinkles that you didn't rep that week, but you know that you've taught it in practice at some point, OL is a weakest link position, and it only takes one OL fuck up the play.

To start the season, you're hoping that experience or young-but-bright OL grok it as much as possible, but as the season goes on your level of understanding goes up across the board. It's a process. You'd love to know which players get it in fall camp if not spring camp so you can start the building up process as soon as possible, but sometimes that just doesn't in the cards, or injuries happen. Sometimes your game-planning for week one and a player keeps fucking up his assignment against the expected fronts/stunts. 

Anyway, this is just a theory, but I'm hoping the OL individually and collectively gets better at the various runs as the season goes on. I think the passing game will eventually click at a high level that scales up, but I'm hoping the run get will get to the point to where it truly punishes defenses rather than just jabs them 

Completely different teams, but one game in support of your theory was that “upset” of Kansas state late in 2022.  Despite having Bijan and Roschon, the running game never really clicked all year as we kept trying different schemes/styles. Eventually Sark either gave up or discovered the OLine “clicked” with outside zone, and we proceeded to spam outside zone for approximately a billion yards to win the game.

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1 hour ago, Fud said:

Something I've been kicking around in the noggin

I wonder if Sark wants an offense that scales up to being able to hit the highest notes of game-planning against the best competition. He wants to be able to run just about every run play possible. Different runs require different techniques not limited to steps, rules, and angles, and there's a reason some coaches prefer to major in one type of run (whether it's IZ, OZ, counter, duo, etc). Because of the time and practice constraints in college, and because you're dealing with college kids, there's a true give-take between the quality of blocking for a given scheme and the number of schemes you're implementing. Also it's possible that working on a variety of runs in college leads to more of a focus on just getting your assignment right and "shield blocking" rather than aggressively displacing your man 

To start the season you're probably looking at being surface-level at a lot of schemes while hoping you have a couple of runs to hang your hat on; looking at a jack of all runs, master of some (or none). When defenses show unexpected wrinkles that you didn't rep that week, but you know that you've taught it in practice at some point, OL is a weakest link position, and it only takes one OL fuck up the play.

To start the season, you're hoping that experience or young-but-bright OL grok it as much as possible, but as the season goes on your level of understanding goes up across the board. It's a process. You'd love to know which players get it in fall camp if not spring camp so you can start the building up process as soon as possible, but sometimes that just doesn't in the cards, or injuries happen. Sometimes your game-planning for week one and a player keeps fucking up his assignment against the expected fronts/stunts. 

Anyway, this is just a theory, but I'm hoping the OL individually and collectively gets better at the various runs as the season goes on. I think the passing game will eventually click at a high level that scales up, but I'm hoping the run get will get to the point to where it truly punishes defenses rather than just jabs them 

My untrained eye saw a lot of experimenting last week. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, horngrad03 said:

My untrained eye saw a lot of experimenting last week. 

The coaches just be trying shit 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, horngrad03 said:

My untrained eye saw a lot of experimenting last week. 

Which is what you should be doing SOME of the time, but not the whole time, when you’re playing an overmatched team 3 weeks in a row. 

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Which is what you should be doing SOME of the time, but not the whole time, when you’re playing an overmatched team 3 weeks in a row. 

Agreed....and I agree with Fud. I'm hoping this week is more dedicated to developing muscle memory on the bread and butter of the playbook.

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Suddenly, I'm being told that I have to go and use the tickets. I'll be in the SEZ with 3 teens/pre-teens watching this game with what I expect to be one of the most bored groups of 90+k people in the history of sports gatherings. It's going to have the energy of a crowd waiting 45 minutes past the scheduled start time for John Tesh to begin a concert.

Maybe it is the influence from reading these threads this week, I don't know, but I am starting to expect to see an offensive bedshitting the likes of which would make Lynn Amedee and Greg Davis blush.

My only solace in that actually occurring would be witnessing the hyperventilating on this site in the aftermath. immamac commits seppuku, codaxx is walking around in a circle counting prime numbers while muttering about PFF grades, various nonchalants like texifornia and Js1 profess their insouciance, and a group of ne'erdowells led by SydneyCarton and Red Five plot the ritualistic shaving of BO&W's prepubescent scrotum in a move designed for both sacrifice to the college football gods and seeking a sense of catharsis. 

So we have that going for us, which is nice. 

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Which is what you should be doing SOME of the time, but not the whole time, when you’re playing an overmatched team 3 weeks in a row. 

That's kind of the perfect time to do it, if I'm correct 

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19 hours ago, closetojumping said:

“knowing what to do” apparently includes not touching another fucking human being on running plays unless they are grabbing your fat 370 pound ass and throwing you sideways while people cackle. 

As a former offensive lineman, I'll let you in on a secret technique: sometimes the strategy is to look so inept as to get the opponent to laugh because the fact is "it's hard to make a tackle when you cackle, cackle, cackle!"

Posted
2 hours ago, gurt said:

yeah, perhaps Stroh was always supposed to let his man beat him across his face while he fell on the ground.  Just like coach drew it up!

Look, this is a great strategy for setting up a successful middle screen! Unfortunately it's a bit of a problem when the other 9*-10 guys aren't running the fucking middle screen!

 

*9 other guys in certain red zone formations, apparently

Posted
1 hour ago, SL Xpress said:

That said, I do feel like he is going out of his way to give Arch Manning passing reps. I also wonder if Manning is being told to go through his progressions rather than taking off. I have some mixed feelings if that is the case, and I don't know if it is anyway.  

I'm okay with this mandate, if it is one, for the 3 cupcakes. Arch needs to develop his defense recognition and route progression skills. But, I want him to have freedom to move during SEC play. Just let him improvise if he doesn't see his 1st two reads.

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12 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Don’t type words I have to google 

CTJ, probably: "It's not our job to appeal to the lowest common denominator, Doug. It's our job to raise it. If you're going to be the "Education President," it'd be nice not to hide that you have an education."--President Bartlet, West Wing, "Manchester" Part 2, Season 3

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14 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Don’t type words I have to google 

I know, right? CTJ is making us consult a dictionary again. MFer...

in·sou·ci·ance
/inˈso͞osēəns,inˈso͞oSH(ə)ns/
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  1. casual lack of concern; indifference.

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