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I’ve talked about this on some other threads and think it’s the model of the future for most schools. No matter what budget you have. There’s a reason most pro teams follow it. Coaches have enough on their plate and can’t play money ball. They also need to outsource the negotiations .
 

 

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On 10/5/2025 at 4:25 PM, Brian Fantana said:

Mainly it's just mocking statsman individually rather than any real jabs at Texas. I'm sure Texas will figure it out whatever mistakes it has made with roster construction sooner rather than later. It's just amusing to us at Tech fans to be "taunted" over our NIL spending when our talent evaluation and roster construction seems to be working as it should and our success rate with transfers is currently very high.

I was interested to learn recently that, at Tech, the coaches are mostly divorced from the talent evaluation process. Obviously they convey certain needs, and are involved in the actual recruiting process (as coaches normally are), but for the most part it seems like talent evaluation and player targeting (HS and portal) is fully done by the GM's office without oversight from the head coach. The coaches seem to be mostly free to just focus on actually coaching football, rather than spending a big chunk of their time focusing on acquisitions. This is probably a big reason (along with our success rate with transfers) that James Blanchard has fended off many attempt to poach him so far.

I would be interested in learning how Texas and other NIL powerhouses go about this, because earlier I asserted/assumed that Tech was following the Texas model but considering what I've learned in the past few months from listening to Tech talking heads, it seems like our approach might be a bit different than others. 

OU has done the same with Jim Nagy and his dept.  OU doesn't have Tech's money but seem to be hitting on a good bit of their buys.  Ain't easy being a poor but it's working ok so far.  Except Ott who definitely still seems injured. 

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2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

OU has done the same with Jim Nagy and his dept.  OU doesn't have Tech's money but seem to be hitting on a good bit of their buys.  Ain't easy being a poor but it's working ok so far.  Except Ott who definitely still seems injured. 

What's the word on Mateer's hand? I heard some dumbass rumor about him quitting football but that seems unsubstantiated.

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19 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

What's the word on Mateer's hand? I heard some dumbass rumor about him quitting football but that seems unsubstantiated.

Haha, he’s not playing this week but odds of playing this week seem a lot greater than quitting football.  

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Keith Inglis: Joey McGuire urges fans to limit tortilla tossing against Kansas

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Texas Tech football head coach Joey McGuire urged fans Monday to embrace a new role during its homecoming game against the University of Kansas at 6:30 p.m. Saturday. After relating situational roles of players on Tech’s roster, McGuire said the role of Red Raider fans needs to extend beyond tortilla tossing – a long-standing tradition that may suffer repercussions this year.

Initial tosses during opening kickoff are acceptable, he said. Under a new conference ruling, anything after will result in penalties and removal of sections. “I really need you guys to understand that it’s not about throwing tortillas,” McGuire said. “Let’s get it out of the way right off the bat.” McGuire’s request comes after all 16 Big 12 athletic directors met in August to reinforce a conference game management policy related to throwing items onto the field.

A 15-1 vote during the meeting cemented that Tech would be subject to consequences for breaking the rule. The single vote not in favor was Tech athletic director Kirby Hocutt. Tech will receive two warnings for throwing items on the field after opening kickoff. Anything after that will result in 15-yard penalties – a point of action McGuire said he wants to limit as the Red Raiders rank No. 3 in most penalties per game.

“We are the most penalized team in the Big 12, and that's on me and our coaching staff and our players,” McGuire said. “We don't need anything to add to it.” The Red Raiders have not been penalized for tortilla-throwing at conference road games against the University of Utah and Houston. Multiple instances beyond the initial kickoff in Houston took place, but game officials did not take any action.

McGuire then followed his tortilla remarks with a new fan motivation to focus on. He said fans should direct their attention to the defense and be disruptive to take the upper hand in having home-field advantage without being penalized.

The fourth-year head coach drew comparisons to his experience on the field during the program’s first away game against Utah – a ranked conference matchup that drew one of the largest crowds in Rice-Eccles Stadium history. “I've never experienced a louder crowd when the defense takes the field,” McGuire said. And I know we have a better fan base. I know that we have a more passionate fan base.”

 

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Tech is the model showing that money is more important than coaching. It's why I'm way more concerned with compiling NIL commitments before OSU hires a new coach. Saw a rumor yesterday that we have an up and coming billionaire who is good friends with Dana Holgorson and might throw his weight behind the roster if we hire him as HC. I'm not entirely thrilled with the idea of Holgy returning as HC but if it comes with a fully funded roster, I'm all for it, because that is what's more important. Let others do some of the HC heavy lifting like roster and locker room management and let him coach offense and bring in a good independent DC to do the same? I'd take that setup over the old model even if it was Saban or some other old legend (yes I know he's not in the running just making a point). 

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I guess I didn't think it was confusing, money buys talent. Point is that McGuire didn't become an elite coach overnight, his players just got a lot better. That's not a knock on him or Tech, it's the new way forward, and I'm hoping my school can find a way to make it happen.

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1 hour ago, satyanash said:

Keith Inglis: Joey McGuire urges fans to limit tortilla tossing against Kansas

 

 

42 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Can't say i disagree with any of that.

 

Wreck em!!!

Agreed. This reminds me of my sophomore year (early 1990s) when the Southwest Conference started penalizing tortillas on the field- I think it started after the 1993 A&M game when the bands got into a fight while passing each other on the field for halftime.

Once the threat of penalties was in place, the student government folks arranged to have bins in the stadium and asked that students put their tortillas in the bins and that they'd be donated to local food banks instead of causing penalties during the game. 

I don't recall if refs enforced the penalties back then (I'm assuming they did) but the main result I recall was that the student government association stationed people along the field to pick up any stray tortillas that landed.

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11 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Cross posting from the uniform thread: this is an excellent decision by Tech. Logos, font, all of it is exactly what it should be.

 

Agreed. I've never liked the bevel.

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11 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Cross posting from the uniform thread: this is an excellent decision by Tech. Logos, font, all of it is exactly what it should be.

 

No more beveled Double Ts? Tech's was one of the few that actually worked.

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27 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Tech is the model showing that money is more important than coaching.

This is just not true, man. Look at how much Texas has spent. Not trying to talk shit here, UT fans, y'all are just the most pertinent example right now. 

Like yes, obviously paying a premium for top talent is important, but it's only one piece of the puzzle. Talent evaluation, roster construction and cohesion are extremely critical and Tech seems to have hit on all 3.

We identified the holes in our roster and filled pretty much all of them with very good players, by all reports there are zero locker room issues and this team really enjoys playing with each other. No one's ego is getting in the way.

For all the flak Joey McGuire gets around here, and I certainly have had a number of issues with him (mainly focus and discipline, penalties continue to be a problem at times), the one thing he is really good at is getting all of his players to buy in and put the team ahead of themselves. Everything you hear out of the program is team, team, team.

None of that happens simply by throwing money at the problem. 

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27 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I guess I didn't think it was confusing, money buys talent. Point is that McGuire didn't become an elite coach overnight, his players just got a lot better. That's not a knock on him or Tech, it's the new way forward, and I'm hoping my school can find a way to make it happen.

Yeah, I get you. I want this for Okie State as well (and in basketball), the conference is more fun when y'all are good.

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I'm in the minority...I liked the beveled Double T, always have.  Thought it was the upgrade we needed over the old one (happened in the mid-to-late 90's).

1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

This is just not true, man. Look at how much Texas has spent. Not trying to talk shit here, UT fans, y'all are just the most pertinent example right now. 

Like yes, obviously paying a premium for top talent is important, but it's only one piece of the puzzle. Talent evaluation, roster construction and cohesion are extremely critical and Tech seems to have hit on all 3.

We identified the holes in our roster and filled pretty much all of them with very good players, by all reports there are zero locker room issues and this team really enjoys playing with each other. No one's ego is getting in the way.

For all the flak Joey McGuire gets around here, and I certainly have had a number of issues with him (mainly focus and discipline, penalties continue to be a problem at times), the one thing he is really good at is getting all of his players to buy in and put the team ahead of themselves. Everything you hear out of the program is team, team, team.

None of that happens simply by throwing money at the problem. 

1000000% Amen.

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4 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

This is just not true, man. Look at how much Texas has spent. Not trying to talk shit here, UT fans, y'all are just the most pertinent example right now. 

Like yes, obviously paying a premium for top talent is important, but it's only one piece of the puzzle. Talent evaluation, roster construction and cohesion are extremely critical and Tech seems to have hit on all 3.

We identified the holes in our roster and filled pretty much all of them with very good players, by all reports there are zero locker room issues and this team really enjoys playing with each other. No one's ego is getting in the way.

For all the flak Joey McGuire gets around here, and I certainly have had a number of issues with him (mainly focus and discipline, penalties continue to be a problem at times), the one thing he is really good at is getting all of his players to buy in and put the team ahead of themselves. Everything you hear out of the program is team, team, team.

None of that happens simply by throwing money at the problem. 

To be clear I'm not saying that just anyone can step in and coach a paid and loaded roster and yeah prior blueblood down years proves that really bad coaching can mess up even with elite talent. I'm speaking purely in the context of the first coaching search at OSU since I was a student and the new landscape we need to navigate. I think collecting NIL commitments is way more important than who we hire. Considering its almost certainly going to be a G5 HC or P4 coordinator there is going to be risk either way and my concern is less about who that name is as how much we can raise. 

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1 minute ago, 'stache said:

To be clear I'm not saying that just anyone can step in and coach a paid and loaded roster and yeah prior blueblood down years proves that really bad coaching can mess up even with elite talent. I'm speaking purely in the context of the first coaching search at OSU since I was a student and the new landscape we need to navigate. I think collecting NIL commitments is way more important than who we hire. Considering its almost certainly going to be a G5 HC or P4 coordinator there is going to be risk either way and my concern is less about who that name is as how much we can raise. 

Understood. What's the latest on the coaching search?

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9 minutes ago, 'stache said:

To be clear I'm not saying that just anyone can step in and coach a paid and loaded roster and yeah prior blueblood down years proves that really bad coaching can mess up even with elite talent. I'm speaking purely in the context of the first coaching search at OSU since I was a student and the new landscape we need to navigate. I think collecting NIL commitments is way more important than who we hire. Considering its almost certainly going to be a G5 HC or P4 coordinator there is going to be risk either way and my concern is less about who that name is as how much we can raise. 

The other key, and what I think is THE KEY that made it work for Tech, is everyone has to be in alignment on what it is you are trying to do.  In your scenario above you mentioned the possibility that the big NIL donor would want to demand Dana possibly as the coach.

That simply won't work.  The NIL sources can't hold the institution hostage on their personal wants and desires.

What was great at Tech is that the Matador Club (Campbell, Sellers, Cash, tons of other donors) worked with Joey, James Blanchard, Kirby, et al to find out what they needed.  Blanchard as GM identified not just talent, but FIT.  Priorities were placed on DL first, OL second.  Everything down to the last dollar was very strategic and had to fit with what Joey and his coaches identified as what they wanted and needed.

Without that, throwing a ton of NIL money at talent isn't going to work.

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3 minutes ago, Uncle Nate said:

In your scenario above you mentioned the possibility that the big NIL donor would want to demand Dana possibly as the coach.

I'm chuckling because Cody Campbell literally did this exact thing, before Matt Wells was hired. I'm glad he pulled his head out of his ass and decided to work with everyone, because his ego was absolutely out of control, to the point of being blacklisted by the AD at one point.

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9 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm chuckling because Cody Campbell literally did this exact thing, before Matt Wells was hired. I'm glad he pulled his head out of his ass and decided to work with everyone, because his ego was absolutely out of control, to the point of being blacklisted by the AD at one point.

I had never heard that.  

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1 minute ago, Uncle Nate said:

I had never heard that.  

It was a whole thing and he was openly calling for Kirby Hocutt's job as well. This was all being discussed, with Cody also posting a LOT and defending himself, in real time at the time on the Tech Rivals (now On3) board. It got so bad that no one in the athletic department would speak to him, and even after Wells got fired it didn't get any better for a while. He was even pushing for fucking Art Briles to be hired for a period of time before we settled on Joey.

It seems that at some point he had a come to Jesus moment and someone (probably one of the other mega donors, I'm guessing Dusty Womble) told him to cut the shit, get his ego in control and start working with everyone instead of trying to throw his weight around by harassing the AD and shitposting on a message board. Obviously those bridges have since been mended since he's the chair of the board of regents now and works closely with the athletic department, but holy shit he was intolerable for a few years.

It's not all that surprising, people that become nouveau riche and don't know what to do with themselves often become the most insufferable dickheads, at least for a period of time.

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My favorite Tech cap is over 30 years old.  Back in style again.  I like the traditional Double T, as well as the beveled one.  I'm cool with either.

Double-TCap.jpg

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

This is just not true, man. Look at how much Texas has spent. Not trying to talk shit here, UT fans, y'all are just the most pertinent example right now. 

Like yes, obviously paying a premium for top talent is important, but it's only one piece of the puzzle. Talent evaluation, roster construction and cohesion are extremely critical and Tech seems to have hit on all 3.

We identified the holes in our roster and filled pretty much all of them with very good players, by all reports there are zero locker room issues and this team really enjoys playing with each other. No one's ego is getting in the way.

For all the flak Joey McGuire gets around here, and I certainly have had a number of issues with him (mainly focus and discipline, penalties continue to be a problem at times), the one thing he is really good at is getting all of his players to buy in and put the team ahead of themselves. Everything you hear out of the program is team, team, team.

None of that happens simply by throwing money at the problem. 

Texas coming off back to back semi-final appearances is the pertinent example to you?  You seem smart.  Have you heard of a school called Texas A&M by chance?

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27 minutes ago, Revolution512 said:

Texas coming off back to back semi-final appearances is the pertinent example to you?  You seem smart.  Have you heard of a school called Texas A&M by chance?

I'm talking about specifically this year's roster. Big spend, obvious problems (like the OL) with the roster. Don't have such thin skin.

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3 hours ago, 'stache said:

Tech is the model showing that money is more important than coaching. It's why I'm way more concerned with compiling NIL commitments before OSU hires a new coach. Saw a rumor yesterday that we have an up and coming billionaire who is good friends with Dana Holgorson and might throw his weight behind the roster if we hire him as HC. I'm not entirely thrilled with the idea of Holgy returning as HC but if it comes with a fully funded roster, I'm all for it, because that is what's more important. Let others do some of the HC heavy lifting like roster and locker room management and let him coach offense and bring in a good independent DC to do the same? I'd take that setup over the old model even if it was Saban or some other old legend (yes I know he's not in the running just making a point). 

Early returns suggest  McGuire is better than most at melding together disparate parts into a cohesive unit. 

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