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National media seems to see that it's less an Arch issue than it is an OL and scheme issue, but Texas fans you do you.  (No, this in no way implies Arch has no culpability here.)

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I just cancelled my subscription to the Athletic about seven days ago. It's been garbage for years but every time I'd cancel, they'd offer me a 75% discount. They did that this time too, and I said fuck you. Good call.

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All this makes it all the more glorious when we beat the shit out if a ridiculously overrated OU team coached by a roided out cro magnon dipshit. Will be the foundation for The Legend of Arch

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6 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

 

Scip goes off. @Thatguy lot of your cut ups are in here 

 

  My cut ups? 

Anyway, I am going to move away from the Florida game for a bit because it looks like the lack of protection from that game is clouding up my point. Which was Arch isn't seeing the field. The play I was talking about was this one. We get to it from many different formation but essentially the slot guy runs a deep post and then they bring a dig underneath. Everyone keeps saying the problem is you are reading long to short and that forces you to hold the ball but that just isn't true. When you walk up to the line the coverage already kinda tells you what to look for. So for this play you are reading the safety's reaction, and it doesn't take that long to get it. If the safety starts backpedaling for the post we immediately throw the dig. If the safety stays flat we look for the post. Now here is the same play in the same game. Watch how each QB handles it. 

This is Manning vs Georgia last year. If you are reading that safety you know immediately after the snap that the dig will be available. 

 

 

Now here is Quinn in the same game vs the same defense running the same play. Quinn recognizes the safety bailing and hit the underneath dig accordingly. 

 

 

Let's fast forward to this year vs Ohio State. We run the same play. At the snap they roll to what looks to be Cover 3 with the safety digging for depth. So you should know immediately to look for that dig. Especially with the field side corner squatting, and looking for work in the flat. If Manning hits that dig when his back foot hits his drop it would be perfect, but instead he stares down the post, hops forward another two steps, and then lets it go. 

 

 

Now lastly this is Caldwell. It's hard to see the field because they cut to the penalty but you can see the slot runs off the safety. Caldwell gives it a quick peek. Hid cue tells him to look for the dig, and he throws it on the break. 

 

 

 

The point is that just because there is a set structure to how you read plays, like long to short. It doesn't mean that's a hard rule or that we should be standing back there looking at the play for 3 or 4 seconds. Almost all plays have a deep option, but the read can be made to come off it really quickly like this play here. Arch just doesn't do that. This what I mean when I say he gets himself in trouble. We run this play every game and I have never seen him hit this dig. 

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

National media seems to see that it's less an Arch issue than it is an OL and scheme issue, but Texas fans you do you.  (No, this in no way implies Arch has no culpability here.)

National Media- First game what is wrong with Arch Manning. Second game Arch Manning has the yips. Third game Arch Manning is a bust. Fourth game Arch Manning is back baby! Fifth game Arch Manning's O-line sucks. 

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1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

National Media- First game what is wrong with Arch Manning. Second game Arch Manning has the yips. Third game Arch Manning is a bust. Fourth game Arch Manning is back baby! Fifth game Arch Manning's O-line sucks. 

Sounds like surly.

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20 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

National Media- First game what is wrong with Arch Manning. Second game Arch Manning has the yips. Third game Arch Manning is a bust. Fourth game Arch Manning is back baby! Fifth game Arch Manning's O-line sucks. 

Those are accurate descriptions of how Arch played in those games. He has been improving in the last couple of games, which was rarely the case for your boy, QE. Quinn played his best in his freshman year and then regressed pretty much every year. I rather have my QB go the opposite direction. Let's see how Arch does the rest of the year before we call him a bust. We gave QE 3 years, and he ended up going from a potential #1 pick to a 7th round pick. You think Arch will do worse?

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3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Not me! I contend that the OL sucks and it isn't helping Arch but also Arch sucks and isn't helping his OL.

You know what? The Oline sucks. The dude running the Oline sucks. The coach allowing the dude running the Oline to suck also sucks. The scout team responsible for simulating the opponent so the Oline can be prepared sucks. The grad assistant responsible for cutting up the tape for the Oline to study sucks. Arch will figure out a way to stop sucking here pretty soon. You wanna know why? His uncles aren't going to let him besmirch the family name. They were pretty hands off but they are going to be breaking down film with him the rest of the season I bet. I expect a miraculous turnaround. 

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3 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

You know what? The Oline sucks. The dude running the Oline sucks. The coach allowing the dude running the Oline to suck also sucks. The scout team responsible for simulating the opponent so the Oline can be prepared sucks. The grad assistant responsible for cutting up the tape for the Oline to study sucks. Arch will figure out a way to stop sucking here pretty soon. You wanna know why? His uncles aren't going to let him besmirch the family name. They were pretty hands off but they are going to be breaking down film with him the rest of the season I bet. I expect a miraculous turnaround. 

One giant pussy after another

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2 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Those are accurate descriptions of how Arch played in those games. He has been improving in the last couple of games, which was rarely the case for your boy, QE. Quinn played his best in his freshman year and then regressed pretty much every year. I rather have my QB go the opposite direction. Let's see how Arch does the rest of the year before we call him a bust. We gave QE 3 years, and he ended up going from a potential #1 pick to a 7th round pick. You think Arch will do worse?

The NFL is hot opinions and measurables my dude. Lets remember Jamarcus Russell was the 1st pick overall and Tom GOAT Brady almost didn't make the league. Also, you think his best year was his freshman year? Ridiculous. Literally zero statistics back that up. Lol

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3 hours ago, FORTY NINE TO ZERO said:

not a fan of arch this year, but to call him the first ever flop in college football history is insane 

does the writer even perrilloux?

 

2 hours ago, Thatguy said:

National Media- First game what is wrong with Arch Manning. Second game Arch Manning has the yips. Third game Arch Manning is a bust. Fourth game Arch Manning is back baby! Fifth game Arch Manning's O-line sucks. 

 

The national media humiliated themselves by setting up this huge story of another Manning entering the game and taking over college football on day 1. They ranked us number 1 based mostly on that. Look at all the players we lost last year, they didn't care.

They turn out wrong then they crucify Manning for not living up to their delusions. They're all geniuses, the sports writing guild. They had to be right in their predictions, so the problem can't be that they're wrong. And fucking stupid. All. The. Time.

Manning did not proclaim himself the greatest. He didn't ask for the whole God gives us another Manning to rule football narrative. He was an extraordinary prospect not the sure thing. He may still turn out to be exceptional, but that won't be on the moron schedule.

I like Manning the man. I want him to succeed. I don't think he's ready, but that's secondary to this point: the idiot sportswriter world created a huge circus only to have their tent catch fire because they didn't know what they were doing.

They're the kings of Idiot World.

My last word on Arch is, good luck and beat OU. Hook 'Em!

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1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

 

 

The national media humiliated themselves by setting up this huge story of another Manning entering the game and taking over college football on day 1. They ranked us number 1 based mostly on that. Look at all the players we lost last year, they didn't care.

They turn out wrong then they crucify Manning for not living up to their delusions. They're all geniuses, the sports writing guild. They had to be right in their predictions, so the problem can't be that they're wrong. And fucking stupid. All. The. Time.

Manning did not proclaim himself the greatest. He didn't ask for the whole God gives us another Manning to rule football narrative. He was an extraordinary prospect not the sure thing. He may still turn out to be exceptional, but that won't be on the moron schedule.

I like Manning the man. I want him to succeed. I don't think he's ready, but that's secondary to this point: the idiot sportswriter world created a huge circus only to have their tent catch fire because they didn't know what they were doing.

They're the kings of Idiot World.

My last word on Arch is, good luck and beat OU. Hook 'Em!

Humiliated??? Nah

clicks when you build em up and clicks when you tear them down brah

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5 hours ago, Codaxx said:

 

Scip goes off. @Thatguy lot of your cut ups are in here 

This is why I dislike talking heads sometimes. The play at the 10:30 mark where they go 5 wide. He is criticizing fans for saying get rid of the football and telling us how if he threw it that it would get picked off. Then Ian is talking about how it would be a really long throw. Meanwhile they are on the left hash, and the two receivers to the boundary are going to run a pick. The outside receiver runs a stick route and the inside runs a corner route picking his man. The stick route is wide open if Arch just hits him on his break. Ball would be out before the rush got home. I know these guys see that. I don't believe talking heads are always honest. I have seen text messages of them getting scolded by coaches, university officials, and players families and told to clean up their "opinions" the next show. They need to keep their access. 

Again, this does not take away from the fact that the offensive line is atrocious. Just be honest in your criticism. The very play before they were honest when they said Arch could've hit the pick across the middle, but that was on a play where Arch was already successful. It feels a lot like some calls were made from some officials to say back off our boy.  I honestly think Arch will eventually figure it out, but the 180 from all the usual suspects in a single game is a bit curious. Film Guy even made it a point to say he has no connections. OK buddy. You got the All 22 as soon as the game was over but no connections. 

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