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Messed up the order of the prepositional phrases. I added the detail about her staying at camp to clarify that she wasnβt some skeezy townie picking up 8th-grade bandcamp nerds.
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I was sent up to a Boys Scout camp up in the Davis Mountains a couple of times (Buffalo Trail Council) and band camp at Tech 2-3 times. The latter was a very different experience, staying in college dorms and whatnot, plus this one time at bandcamp between 8th & 9th grade I got my first blowjob from some Lubbock girl staying at camp under a tree on campus, which was nice. Gotta tell you guys, there's a reason American Pie included that line. Bandcamp kids in the mid-80s were sex fiends.
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Yes, it's been mentioned that the campers themselves were not allowed any electronic devices, including phones. At the same time, someone posted an article a day or so ago that also stated every adult on site was supposedly required to have a cellphone with them at all times.
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I can't speak for anyone else here, but the locals hosting visitors (owners of the camps, the RV park owners, the city, and the county) are primarily to blame. They live there. They know the history of flooding. They chose not to have a flood monitoring system. They chose not to have a warning system. They chose not to have adequate evacuation plans. On top of that, I blame the state for not adequately funding a regional system, as well as this regime for stripping resources from the NWS. The degree to which any of the campers themselves are to blame is nada. The degree to which any of the RVers are to blame would lie in their potential choices at the ballot box that foster negligence among all layers of government.
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Yeah, I misunderstood your question, likely my fault for not reading as closely as I should've. No idea on whether those low-lying cabins had flooded in '87 or any other time previously. Personally, I believe there was serious negligence on the part of the camp in keeping the little kids in those cabins closest to the river, regardless of the historic nature of the flood. I also blame the city, county, and state for not having an early warning system upstream and/or sirens in populated areas.
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Crossposting from the rain thread: all-time record for Hunt, third highest for Kerrville proper.
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I know you were, and I'm not going to get in the middle of that. I was merely pointing out that the brand spanking new account you were quoting is GRhorn, a guy who has been banned by mods or crowdsourced more times than I can count, likely approaching 50 times now.
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He's approaching 50 usernames at this point.
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Have you had a chance to check up on your hole yet to see if it's become a well?
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Background on past efforts to get a warning system in place. It seems to me that a regional warning system for the Hill Country makes a whole lot of sense so that the cost burden can be shared among various jurisdictions and the state, with the latter covering a substantial chunk of the tab, because the state is fucking loaded. As we all know, people from all over the state visit the area, and they may be at even greater risk than most permanent residents, since visitors are more likely to be in the lower-lying, flood-prone river valleys. Officials Feared Flood Risk to Youth Camps but Rejected Warning System Kerr County had discussed buying such things as water gauges and sirens after previous flood disasters. But as with many rural Texas counties, cost was an issue. Eight years ago, in the aftermath of yet another river flood in the Texas Hill Country, officials in Kerr County debated whether more needed to be done to build a warning system along the banks of the Guadalupe River. A series of summer camps along the river were often packed with children. For years, local officials kept them safe with a word-of-mouth system: When floodwaters started raging, upriver camp leaders warned those downriver of the water surge coming their way. But was that enough? Officials considered supplementing the system with sirens and river gauges, along with other modern communications tools. βWe can do all the water-level monitoring we want, but if we donβt get that information to the public in a timely way, then this whole thing is not worth it,β said Tom Moser, a Kerr County commissioner at the time. In the end, little was done. When catastrophic floodwaters surged through Kerr County last week, there were no sirens or early flooding monitors. Instead, there were text alerts that came late for some residents and were dismissed or unseen by others. The rural county of a little over 50,000 people, in a part of Texas known as Flash Flood Alley, contemplated installing a flood warning system in 2017, but it was rejected as too expensive. The county, which has an annual budget of around $67 million, lost out on a bid at the time to secure a $1 million grant to fund the project, county commission meeting minutes show. As recently as a May budget meeting, county commissioners were discussing a flood warning system being developed by a regional agency as something that they might be able to make use of. But in a recent interview, Rob Kelly, the Kerr County judge and its most senior elected official, said that local residents had been resistant to new spending. βTaxpayers wonβt pay for it,β he said, adding that he didnβt know if people might reconsider now.
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Elon Musk: Nazi traitor piece of shit [Confirmed]
bolverk replied to MaybeACoordinator's topic in Daily Texan
Oh man, I hope it didn't fuck up job interviews and stuff before he found out. At least now, if he has a sense of humor, he could make fun of it and own it. What's really fucked up, though, is how it became a stock photo without their knowledge. -
This probably isn't the best comparison, but I'd say that in some ways, it's psychologically like being on a sports team. You're part of a group doing something intense together that builds strong bonds and creates lasting memories for a specific period of time, and under the guidance of coaches / camp counselors.
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Elon Musk: Nazi traitor piece of shit [Confirmed]
bolverk replied to MaybeACoordinator's topic in Daily Texan
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That's true for the campers, but I read that all adults were required to have their cellphones with them at all times.
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I recall a study a few years ago that showed hospital patients tended to fare worse when they knew people were praying for them. If I remember correctly, they hypothesized that it made patients feel stressed and/or have βperformance anxietyβ about their recovery. Of course, these werenβt hospice patients being questioned about their belief in a god. From the experience I gained taking care of my mom for a few months when she was getting hospice care, I think her devout belief did give her some comfort, knowing that she would soon pass and be with my dad. So maybe the takeaway is donβt expect god or prayers to intercede in whether you get well or sick or live or die, except to make you feel more mentally prepared in the end.
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I fucked up and forgot to add the notification for Angie.
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@Bob Lives! Many thanks for your generosity. Happy to have put in my two bits.
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This is what I was asking for last night, and all I could find was a partial list in the Houston Chronicle. Logic would dictate that someone on the stateβs disaster response team would be able to compile and publish a consolidated list of a) the deceased whoβve been identified and whose families have been notified, b) a list those who are known to be missing for BOLO reasons, and c) a list of the number of unidentified bodies.
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Yeah, I don't think there's any way of getting beyond the conclusion that the camps likely fucked up. You would think, given the awesome responsibility to take care of 750 children, that someone(s) should've been assigned night duty to make sure the camp was safe at night, watching the gates, being weather aware, guarding the grounds, etc. I'm sure someone had that assignment, but it's clear they were not the right person for the job. As you've reiterated, anyone taking that job seriously should've had the wherewithal to know the terrain, the history of flooding, and what the weather was doing to not have a bunch of kids crammed into low-lying cabins during a flash flood watch/warning. At the same time, everyone -- including those at the RV campsites -- was failed by local and state authorities for not having a warning system in place, along with the DOGE's haphazard hack of NWS funds. Systematic failure all the way down the line.
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In one of the articles that someone posted yesterday, there was a comment that the camp had become like a whirlpool of water. With that creek flowing into the river at the campsite, you can easily see how it could become a raging, swirling torrent right there.
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One would think that. Around this time last year, I made the permanent move away from Austin, where Iβd lived for 28 years, to a rural area. My long-dormant Facebook account has become a lifeline for getting information about whatβs happening around town. There are no local TV stations. We do have a handful of local radio stations BUT they're mostly canned iHeartMedia stations that pipe in shitty country or classic rock with a local person only coming on air in the morning or at noon to talk about the happenings at the dry feed store or that someone's dog got loose. The local newspaper? Fuhgeddaboudit. Out here, FB really is treated like some combination of Next Door/Reddit/Xitter/eBay all rolled into one with a few groups people have put together to rant and rave about shit or rumor monger. Still, everyone also turns to it for crises. It's not an exaggeration to say that the site plays a critical role in official city and county communications, which is kinda fucked up. That's why the emergency cellphone system that the state has, or some sort of alarm system, would've been the best way to warn people. Well, that or having one of those NOAA radios out at the camps.
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Good catch. I think I've noticed before weird inconsistencies with time stamps on Xitter that might be attributable to what time zone you're in as opposed to the person Xitting. With NPR staff being EDT, they might have fucked that up. Not sure. Not an excuse. But that could be an explanation.
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