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On 6/30/2025 at 10:48 AM, closetojumping said:

I understand and generally agree with the sentiments in this post. That said, I do think being dismissive of the "conspiracy theory" that the guy was set up is hasty. Whatever side of the political spectrum anyone trends, pause has to be given these days to dismissing damned near anything immediately. How many Onion and Babylon Bee headlines over the last decade have then ultimately proven true or become true later? I know someone was tracking them at some point and both had hit rates in the double digits, which is disturbing to me. 

Case in point here, the female was a UU student, right? Now that he's being suspended and subsequently preparing to transfer, she withdraws the case, which was not a criminal case at any point. It's still farfetched as a set-up but it just got closer to not being totally unbelievable. I'm assuming that, what it really is, is an ex that got pissed off for some reason and knew that this would hurt the guy substantially. Anything benefitting or harming a school was likely a complete nonfactor in her decision-making and she wasn't put up to it by anyone else. Probably. Right?

I'm not on the conspiracy theory train with this one, but I also don't totally rule it out. There are some odd things here. The night in question happened in Nov 2023. Five days later the girl calls the police, but won't name who. She had a rape kit examination done, also days later than the incident. Police close the case because the girl won't name the person and she appears not wanting to take it forward. Her description of the evening is weird, too. Then, one and a half years later this surfaces out of nowhere and is a civil suit (no criminal charges). What's with that timing? Same time as when Jake Retzlaff is going into his final year making big money. It's done after the portal closes, doing maximum damage to Jake. Now that Jake's life and career are blown up the suit was dropped. Was the process the punishment? (Or, maybe its part of Globalize the Intifada?)

I don't know what to think. It's not clear that Jake is guilty or innocent. 

As far as the honor code goes, BYU has changed its approach since the Brandon Davies incident. They try to figure things out privately and more compassionately/leniently than before. With this matter involving rape allegations and then Jake admitting that they were together that night, that changed the dynamic. BYU can't be seen going soft on possible sexual assault when there is enough evidence that something may have indeed happened. 

It's sucky for all involved. 

Was looking forward to a special year in football. Now we have a big question mark at QB.

 

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25 minutes ago, Crockett said:

I'm not on the conspiracy theory train with this one, but I also don't totally rule it out. There are some odd things here. The night in question happened in Nov 2023. Five days later the girl calls the police, but won't name who. She had a rape kit examination done, also days later than the incident. Police close the case because the girl won't name the person and she appears not wanting to take it forward. Her description of the evening is weird, too. Then, one and a half years later this surfaces out of nowhere and is a civil suit (no criminal charges). What's with that timing? Same time as when Jake Retzlaff is going into his final year making big money. It's done after the portal closes, doing maximum damage to Jake. Now that Jake's life and career are blown up the suit was dropped. Was the process the punishment? (Or, maybe its part of Globalize the Intifada?)

I don't know what to think. It's not clear that Jake is guilty or innocent. 

As far as the honor code goes, BYU has changed its approach since the Brandon Davies incident. They try to figure things out privately and more compassionately/leniently than before. With this matter involving rape allegations and then Jake admitting that they were together that night, that changed the dynamic. BYU can't be seen going soft on possible sexual assault when there is enough evidence that something may have indeed happened. 

It's sucky for all involved. 

Was looking forward to a special year in football. Now we have a big question mark at QB.

 

So there's no hope of him coming back with the charges dropped?  Maybe BYU will not give such a lengthy suspension now?

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1 hour ago, Plorant said:

So there's no hope of him coming back with the charges dropped?  Maybe BYU will not give such a lengthy suspension now?

I'm with others on the fence of guilt vs innocence on the part of the accused. It's definitely a tricky subject and someone was absolutely wronged. 

That said, putting on the shoes of the accused, IF wrongly so, I sure as hell wouldn't want to stay in the city where it occurred. It feels part, fuck you BYU for not having my back and part I'm getting the fuck out of this town. Which, even if guilty tracks for a shitty human. 

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