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17 hours ago, 66BUFF said:

Carolina and Virginia not too attractive on this list.  UCLA is lucky that Fox wanted all of the LA market

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Check out the number of times each school made the top 100 viewed games (two seasons). The SEC has six teams with a double digit number. The B1G has four. The B12 has one (CU). The ACC has one. I wonder what the numbers will look like when they are covering 2024 and 2025?

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8 hours ago, 'stache said:

Let’s get the right thread back on track. This is interesting. Is everyone eventually going this direction?

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Thanks for bringing this up. It’s very interesting. 
 
The B1G schools’ ADs get more media revenue than anyone but ND. It is telling that all but Michigan and tOSU (who are hesitant) are interested. 
 
Couple of points:

1. Private Equity sells itself as maximizing revenue in ways that ADs can’t. 
2. Every one of those schools has business schools that claim to be able to teach students how PE works. Can they really not figure out how to maximize revenue on their own?

 
I suspect that this is a function of ADs struggling to meet their House Settlement $20M annual nut, while trying to do everything else they are on the hook for. 
 
There is an alternative- Michigan, the Buckeyes, and the other schools that have enough revenue for the demands of this new era, can break away into their own Premiere League division. 

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1 minute ago, statsman said:

There is an alternative- Michigan, the Buckeyes, and the other schools that have enough revenue for the demands of this new era, can break away into their own Premiere League division. 

Yeah, but then they wouldn't have the big state patsies on their schedule to pad their resumes.

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Just now, DFW Horn said:

Yeah, but then they wouldn't have the big state patsies on their schedule to pad their resumes.

Yeah, it will look more like the NFL, where no one cares if KC lost five regular season games, or the NBA, where a 53 win team can win the championship (college basketball already made that transition decades ago). 

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Just now, statsman said:

Yeah, it will look more like the NFL, where no one cares if KC lost five regular season games, or the NBA, where a 53 win team can win the championship (college basketball already made that transition decades ago). 

I don't watch pro sports for this reason - the seasons are too damn long. Athletes can't play their best for 17 regular-season football games, 82 basketball, 162 baseball. It's over-saturation. Only a degenerate gambler can pay attention and be emotionally invested for that long.

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I've said it a million times, but I'd love to see the Top 15ish brands breakaway and just play each other.

No one has to listen to blue bloods bitch about playing non-blue bloods.  Schools that don't create the massive revenue aren't being artificially propped up by those who do.  You end up with two separate tiers that will each be pretty financially viable as schools 16-70 or so still have lots of interest, and now they'll actually have a chance to win a title.

You'd have a Prestige Worldwide group that looks something like this.  Those teams play their "division" and cross division games, and then have a top half playoff at the end of the year.

West:  USC, Oregon, Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Aggy, Bama, Auburn

East:  Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Florida State

Everyone else organizes geographically and plays for their own title on a similar format.

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Then you'd arrange the rest of the current P4ish into 8 team divisions like this

Pacific:  Washington, Wazzu, Ore St, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, AZ, ASU

Southwest:  Utah, BYU, CU, TTU, Baylor, TCU, SMU, Houston

Great Plains:  Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa, Iowa State, Mizzou, OK State

Midwest:  Illinois, NW, Indiana, Purdue, Cincy, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Mich State

Northeast:  Pitt, WVU, BC, CUse, Rutgers, Maryland, UVA, VA Tech

Southern Coast:  Clemson, Miami, NCSU, GA Tech, Duke, Wake, UNC, UCF

Southeast:  Ole Miss, Miss St, Vandy, South Carolina, Kentucky, Louisville, USF

You play your division, division winners go to the playoffs, plus one at large, and your non-con is a rotating series of cross division games.

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27 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Then you'd arrange the rest of the current P4ish into 8 team divisions like this

Pacific:  Washington, Wazzu, Ore St, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, AZ, ASU

Southwest:  Utah, BYU, CU, TTU, Baylor, TCU, SMU, Houston

Great Plains:  Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa, Iowa State, Mizzou, OK State

Midwest:  Illinois, NW, Indiana, Purdue, Cincy, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Mich State

Northeast:  Pitt, WVU, BC, CUse, Rutgers, Maryland, UVA, VA Tech

Southern Coast:  Clemson, Miami, NCSU, GA Tech, Duke, Wake, UNC, UCF

Southeast:  Ole Miss, Miss St, Vandy, South Carolina, Kentucky, Louisville, USF

You play your division, division winners go to the playoffs, plus one at large, and your non-con is a rotating series of cross division games.

Human nature means this will never happen.  The likes of Texas Tech and Baylor would rather sue and force all schools to play at a reduced buy in amount and then share revenue equally.

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51 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Then you'd arrange the rest of the current P4ish into 8 team divisions like this

Pacific:  Washington, Wazzu, Ore St, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, AZ, ASU

Southwest:  Utah, BYU, CU, TTU, Baylor, TCU, SMU, Houston

Great Plains:  Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa, Iowa State, Mizzou, OK State

Midwest:  Illinois, NW, Indiana, Purdue, Cincy, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Mich State

Northeast:  Pitt, WVU, BC, CUse, Rutgers, Maryland, UVA, VA Tech

Southern Coast:  Clemson, Miami, NCSU, GA Tech, Duke, Wake, UNC, UCF

Southeast:  Ole Miss, Miss St, Vandy, South Carolina, Kentucky, Louisville, USF

You play your division, division winners go to the playoffs, plus one at large, and your non-con is a rotating series of cross division games.

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Just now, DFW Horn said:

A 16-team Prestige Worldwide League?

No

I’ve just seen so many message board posts and tweets from blue blood fanbases about leeches, and not wanting to play schools with less historical success that I figured this is what people want.

I do think if PE gets involved you’ll see something like this.  They can get more money from a league that’s nothing but helmet matches every week.  That second tier would be a money maker too.

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1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I’ve just seen so many message board posts and tweets from blue blood fanbases about leeches, and not wanting to play schools with less historical success that I figured this is what people want.

I do think if PE gets involved you’ll see something like this.  They can get more money from a league that’s nothing but helmet matches every week.  That second tier would be a money maker too.

Nothing but helmet schools playing each other is NFL Lite, with teams just over .500 qualifying for the playoffs.

No, thanks

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43 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Nothing but helmet schools playing each other is NFL Lite, with teams just over .500 qualifying for the playoffs.

No, thanks

Worse than NFL because it would be 10-12 teams playing the same schedule every year and the playoffs and title games would all be rematches. It’s what this thread’s most prolific poster has been clamoring for for years because LEECHES.

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48 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I’ve just seen so many message board posts and tweets from blue blood fanbases about leeches, and not wanting to play schools with less historical success that I figured this is what people want.

I do think if PE gets involved you’ll see something like this.  They can get more money from a league that’s nothing but helmet matches every week.  That second tier would be a money maker too.

What makes college football fun is the variety. Sure there are big money schools and small schools. In the moment some people may bitch about having some of their season ticket spend be for a game against UMass or Central Michigan, but at the end of the day the "historical success" was largely built off of playing those schools regularly. The viewing numbers go through the roof when Bama is struggling against a Louisiana Lafayette in the 4th quarter, or Texas is fumbling over its dick against UTEP. People love upsets. If Ohio State played nothing but bluebloods every year, they would have a slightly above .500 record, and most schools would have less. 

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I want to know what is the PE asking for in the deal?  They don't give money without getting a positive ROI back, and that means control.  Are the universities and AD's willing to cede control over hiring/firing within the AD?  Or the coaches?  Or changing how they do sponsorship deals? Or their scheduling?  Those are all things the PE are going to want.  Of course the PE is dating, not married, so they're going to paint a rosy picture of the future, but having been through multiple PE transactions myself, it will never work out the way that they say.  They always say "we're going to invest and make the business grow!" ...more likely they're coming to feast on the carcass and squeeze whatever revenue they can before they flip it to another more ruthless PE firm who will do it again until the whole thing collapses.

You can tell me experience with PE has been sub-par.

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1 hour ago, Al_4_ISU said:

 

I do think if PE gets involved you’ll see something like this.  They can get more money from a league that’s nothing but helmet matches every week.  That second tier would be a money maker too.

The Big Whatever should think long and hard about letting PE into its operations. On the surface, it sounds great. Oh boy! PE firms are going to invest BILLIONS in our conference! But, if the revenue is not as projected, and the first tranche of investment loans come due, what will be the consequences if there is a default?

And keep in mind, the PE firms assemble multi-billion dollar investors (in some case, university endowments) to participate in each venture. It's about dollars and cents. And again, make no mistake, the PE firms and their underlying investors only care about one thing... return on investment. Profiteering.

According to the Private Equity Stakeholder Project, private equity firms were involved in 70% of the largest 2024 US corporate bankruptcies.

They have pretty well played out the retail industry having driven a number of retail stores into bankruptcy.

PE firms investment in mental health has been devastating. Mental health treatment centers, which used to employ medical doctors as employees, now employ them as part time independent contractors leading to worsened treatment outcomes. Staffs are slashed. In the past year alone, I know of at least 5 eating disorder residential treatment centers which have closed. They simply could not generate a large enough profit.

So, the PE sharks will come in ... will get the universities and conference to waive any sovereign immunity defenses they may have and when the defaults start to happen ... will the property on which the universities sit be auctioned off?

Look at what PE has done to nursing homes ...   https://pestakeholder.org/news/new-pesp-report-reveals-private-equity-continues-to-acquire-and-bankrupt-nursing-homes/

The Big Whatever Conference would be well advised to steer clear.

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Posted
42 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

What makes college football fun is the variety. Sure there are big money schools and small schools. In the moment some people may bitch about having some of their season ticket spend be for a game against UMass or Central Michigan, but at the end of the day the "historical success" was largely built off of playing those schools regularly. The viewing numbers go through the roof when Bama is struggling against a Louisiana Lafayette in the 4th quarter, or Texas is fumbling over its dick against UTEP. People love upsets. If Ohio State played nothing but bluebloods every year, they would have a slightly above .500 record, and most schools would have less. 

This is exactly why March Madness is so successful.

Everybody loves the underdogs, like the Gonzagas and Butlers. It makes for compelling match-ups and TV gold.

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6 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

This is exactly why March Madness is so successful.

Everybody loves the underdogs, like the Gonzagas and Butlers. It makes for compelling match-ups and TV gold.

I agree completely, it just seems like there’s a palpable desire to kill all of this.

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2 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I agree completely, it just seems like there’s a palpable desire to kill all of this.

Only by the more uppity, less democratic among us.

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