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14 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Interesting off-season debate. I think the 2 most important recruits were Chris Simms and Arch. Relying on the opinion of guys like Babers on Simms, he has said that made Texas the cool school. #1 recruit son of NFL QB was boost to Mack. Sark getting the stamp of approval from the Manning family was a huge and something no other single recruit could give the program. 

agreed.  Ewers might have brought a few guys, being the no 1 recruit, that were in his class that knew him from recruiting trips or camps or whatever but Manning and Simms are NFL royalty from a coaching stamp of approval perspective.  you can't buy that....well maybe you can now.

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what about if a QB runs around for 10 seconds and instead of throwing it out of bounds is sacked and loses 10 yards?  What would you call that?


Because that was the ding on both Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders.

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2 hours ago, Derka said:

ahh yes, the miss state game, the one where arch got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bigger, faster, stronger, more accurate, smarter, more mobile, stronger arm, better when the play breaks down, etc, than quinn ewers. 

also, total td throws, along with every other stat i’ve seen that’s supposedly in quinn’s favor (like his career passing yards, or the fact that he was 2nd team all sec or whatever) are all old school, antiquated, outdated stats and accolades that aren’t nearly as relevant in 2025 as they were 20+ years ago. we have advanced analytics now, which is why we can look back and say, “yeah, derek jeter won five gold gloves, but he objectively was not a good defensive ss.” that’s what we have here. on the surface you can say, “he was second in td passes and selected to the all-sec team!” and make it seem like he was good, but the moment you look a little closer it becomes obvious that that’s not the case.

being second in the league in td passes is ostensibly nice, but a)17 is actually a pretty goddamn pedestrian number considering the talent around him + our easy schedule, and b)you don’t have to look very deep into the advanced analytics- the exact data that nfl teams use to scout and draft players- to see that quinn was a bottom-tier sec qb, and nowhere near even the middle of the pack nationally. what’s crazy is that all of this aligns with the eyeball test, and yet here we are, still debating his supposed greatness.

Derka- "ahh yes, the miss state game, the one where arch got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bigger, faster, stronger, more accurate, smarter, more mobile, stronger arm, better when the play breaks down, etc, than quinn ewers" (Arch vs 0-8 MSU 26-31 325 and 2TDs)

Surly- "But what about the Florida game?" (Quinn vs 4-4 Florida 19-27 333 and 5 TDs in 3 qtrs)

Derka- Florida was playing with middle schoolers in the entire secondary!

Surly- Looks at the two games after us with confusion(Gave up 16 to LSU and 17 to Ole Miss)

Derka- "Must have gotten everyone back healthy the next week"

Surly- 200.gif?cid=6c09b952mwfml98nabu66e70ho7i

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Posted
3 minutes ago, gurt said:

what about if a QB runs around for 10 seconds and instead of throwing it out of bounds is sacked and loses 10 yards?  What would you call that?


Because that was the ding on both Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders.

I was going to say the "completion percentage increaser".  It's like guys that won't jack up end of quarter 40ft+ 3's.

Posted
1 minute ago, gurt said:

what about if a QB runs around for 10 seconds and instead of throwing it out of bounds is sacked and loses 10 yards?  What would you call that?

And what if the play is a shotgun snap with a slight roll to the right but the defense blitzes a backer and a safety and the back fails to pick it up and the primary receiver does not break his route off and the QB spins the other way and runs into a blitzer ?

Self sacked?
Sure looks like one to some.

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Posted
28 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

So in your defense of Ewers, you’re willing to shit on many other players and teams?

What are you even talking about?

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Posted
56 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I can't wait for "the yeah but the defense isn't as good as last year's" posts in the Arch thread. not sure if they will equal the "our schedule is 100x harder this year" or our "receiving corp/running back group isn't up to snuff" posts but we will see.

our team next year will be inferior to the previous two teams, but the qb play will be markedly, astoundingly better. thankfully we have another easy schedule, so we should still win a lot of games and should hopefully make the playoffs. regardless, the level of qb play will be night and day.

Posted
1 minute ago, Derka said:

our team next year will be inferior to the previous two teams, but the qb play will be markedly, astoundingly better. thankfully we have another easy schedule, so we should still win a lot of games and should hopefully make the playoffs. regardless, the level of qb play will be night and day.

of course it will.

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Posted
32 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Wait….you are admitting that the reason Texas did not win a national championship game is because of Quinn ?
You denied that earlier so make up your fucking feeble, two screen name mind.

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Just now, Derka said:

our team next year will be inferior to the previous two teams, but the qb play will be markedly, astoundingly better. thankfully we have another easy schedule, so we should still win a lot of games and should hopefully make the playoffs. regardless, the level of qb play will be night and day.

Oh shit ……

Here we go….

Already making excuses….

Are you a fucking aggy in disguise ?

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Posted
33 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Bolded has definitely been said multiple times in this thread 

like, a million times. i have no idea what thread some of these people are reading. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Derka- "ahh yes, the miss state game, the one where arch got to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was bigger, faster, stronger, more accurate, smarter, more mobile, stronger arm, better when the play breaks down, etc, than quinn ewers" (Arch vs 0-8 MSU 26-31 325 and 2TDs)

Surly- "But what about the Florida game?" (Quinn vs 4-4 Florida 19-27 333 and 5 TDs in 3 qtrs)

Derka- Florida was playing with middle schoolers in the entire secondary!

Surly- Looks at the two games after us with confusion(Gave up 16 to LSU and 17 to Ole Miss)

Derka- "Must have gotten everyone back healthy the next week"

Surly- 200.gif?cid=6c09b952mwfml98nabu66e70ho7i

Everybody was out for Florida though?   And cook dropped a 70 yard bomb vs msu. 

Posted
10 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Please enlighten us old wise one.

Unless you know everything about a play you don’t know if a sack is the QB’s fault or not.

It could easily look like it is but there are a ton of other reasons it could have happened.

Subjective

 

Look it up.

You don’t need to know everything about a play to know who is at fault for a sack between the QB and oline. We aren’t arguing about guard vs tackle assignments. This really isn’t that hard and is just you doing an old man yelling at clouds.

Posted
Just now, Steamboat1874 said:

Oh shit ……

Here we go….

Already making excuses….

Are you a fucking aggy in disguise ?

you quoted a post where i said that arch will be clearly, vastly superior to QE, and you see that as “making excuses”? lol, ok.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

And what if the play is a shotgun snap with a slight roll to the right but the defense blitzes a backer and a safety and the back fails to pick it up and the primary receiver does not break his route off and the QB spins the other way and runs into a blitzer ?

Self sacked?
Sure looks like one to some.

There it is. Everyone letting Quinn down

Posted
10 minutes ago, gurt said:

what about if a QB runs around for 10 seconds and instead of throwing it out of bounds is sacked and loses 10 yards?  What would you call that?


Because that was the ding on both Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders.

That would be the ding on Quinn if he could make it 10 seconds without getting tackled.

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Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Surly- "But what about the Florida game?" (Quinn vs 4-4 Florida 19-27 333 and 5 TDs in 3 qtrs)

something like 80-85% of QE’s yards that day were YAC yards. his average depth of target that day was very very low for someone with 330 statistical passing yards.

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Just now, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Everybody was out for Florida though?   And cook dropped a 70 yard bomb vs msu. 

Everybody was out for Florida for those other teams too is the point. They only got trounced in one game all season. Also, Moore dropped a TD pass against Florida as well. Plus we sat Quinn in the last qtr.

Posted
2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

You don’t need to know everything about a play to know who is at fault for a sack between the QB and oline. We aren’t arguing about guard vs tackle assignments. This really isn’t that hard and is just you doing an old man yelling at clouds.

Bullshit

You have no idea what you are talking about.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

And what if the play is a shotgun snap with a slight roll to the right but the defense blitzes a backer and a safety and the back fails to pick it up and the primary receiver does not break his route off and the QB spins the other way and runs into a blitzer ?

Self sacked?
Sure looks like one to some.

That wouldn’t be a self sack. You just are clueless here dude.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Go back and try and read.

We all know you are using two screen names trying to impress us.

Just stop.

i literally have no idea what you’re talking about. the idea that i was ever *not* claiming that QE was the reason we didn’t win two titles is just insane. like, coo coo for cocoa puffs nuts.

as for this idea that i have multiple screen names, yeah, again, i literally have no clue what you’re talking about. of course neither do you, so that’s a big part of the problem.

Posted
Just now, hobbes2702 said:

That wouldn’t be a self sack. You just are clueless here dude.

His point is some self-sacks aren't really avoidable.

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

And what if the play is a shotgun snap with a slight roll to the right but the defense blitzes a backer and a safety and the back fails to pick it up and the primary receiver does not break his route off and the QB spins the other way and runs into a blitzer ?

Self sacked?
Sure looks like one to some.

You didn't answer the question. 

To answer yours, no.  And nobody would say so...what is your point?

Posted
Just now, Steamboat1874 said:

Bullshit

You have no idea what you are talking about.

You’re literally claiming that people can’t identify why a sack happened unless they are the person calling the plays. What planet are you on? You then give examples of plays that prove you have no idea what makes something a self sack. Just stop. It’s a legit stat that is measured and isn’t some fugazi. 

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Just now, Thatguy said:

His point is some self-sacks aren't really avoidable.

Then by definition they aren't self-sacks

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

And what if the play is a shotgun snap with a slight roll to the right but the defense blitzes a backer and a safety and the back fails to pick it up and the primary receiver does not break his route off and the QB spins the other way and runs into a blitzer ?

Self sacked?
Sure looks like one to some.

A self sack is when Quinn doesn’t step up into a clean pocket after his OL is doing everything they can to block. Don’t you remember Georgia 1 where Quinn got tripped up near the end zone? The pocket was clean. Just step the fuck up Quinn, the space was there. Kelvin Banks whiffed on blocks during that game but that play near the end zone where Quinn fell was not one of the missed blocks by Banks. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Derka said:

something like 80-85% of QE’s yards that day were YAC yards. his average depth of tragedy that day was very very low for someone with 300 statistical passing yards.

Oh yeah….the QB should not get credit for the YAC argument to make his stupid point which is absurd.

You are so fucking stupid.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Derka said:

something like 80-85% of QE’s yards that day were YAC yards. his average depth of tragedy that day was very very low for someone with 300 statistical passing yards.

So Quinn's 333 and 5 TDs vs a superior opponent is somehow worse than Arch's 325 and 2 TDs vs a team that won 0 conference games and two games overall. Got it!

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

His point is some self-sacks aren't really avoidable.

He doesn’t know what a self sack is and you’re making him more confident in his wrongness because you’re trying to be in the Quinn side of this discussion.

You know the value of self sacks as a stat and you know what is and isn’t one. Very few self sacks are unavoidable, that’s the entire point of the stat.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Everybody was out for Florida for those other teams too is the point. They only got trounced in one game all season. Also, Moore dropped a TD pass against Florida as well. Plus we sat Quinn in the last qtr.

Florida played their third string secondary against everyone.  But ok I’ll give you that one if you’ll give me Kentucky, Aggy,Georgia 1, 

Posted
8 minutes ago, gurt said:

Then by definition they aren't self-sacks

Well what if the guard tripped and then the running back grabbed the ball and fumbled it and then the quarterback picked it up and then turned into a tackler but fumbled again before picking it up and getting tackled again? Who’s fault is that sack smart guy?

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Posted

Ok, guys. Let it go. We all know Derka will never admit when he's wrong. If he did, he'd never have time for anything else. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, MrBig said:

A self sack is when Quinn doesn’t step up into a clean pocket after his OL is doing everything they can to block. Don’t you remember Georgia 1 where Quinn got tripped up near the end zone? The pocket was clean. Just step the fuck up Quinn, the space was there. Kelvin Banks whiffed on blocks during that game but that play near the end zone where Quinn fell was not one of the missed blocks by Banks. 

DE-DT twist. Cam loses the edge in confusion so Quinn steps up in the pocket, but DJ let the DE cross his face and Quinn steps right into his arms. Self sack yes or no?

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Posted
5 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

What are you even talking about?

You weren’t exactly demonstrative in your statement, but you did refer to shitty teams with the implication that we had shitty players.
 

Every year we have multiple folks ripping players.  That’s been done here throughout the thread too.

There is a disconnect somewhere.  Since Colt, we’ve had 3 QBs, Ewers will be the 4th, spend time in the NFL.  I believe Ash medically retired.  Swoopes made it in the NFL at a different position.  Maybe we didn’t win as much as we’d like.  But maybe our shitty QBs weren’t exactly the problem.

People suck.  More so on social media platforms.  Ever buddy has an opinion.  And we’re all right in our own minds.  I’m just trying to determine if we shit talk some but not others.  Is that ok?

Posted
7 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

He doesn’t know what a self sack is and you’re making him more confident in his wrongness because you’re trying to be in the Quinn side of this discussion.

You know the value of self sacks as a stat and you know what is and isn’t one. Very few self sacks are unavoidable, that’s the entire point of the stat.

I am sorry hobbes. I will do better.

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Posted
1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

He doesn’t know what a self sack is and you’re making him more confident in his wrongness because you’re trying to be in the Quinn side of this discussion.

You know the value of self sacks as a stat and you know what is and isn’t one. Very few self sacks are unavoidable, that’s the entire point of the stat.

I know what a self sack is assclown but I am not so sure there is any way to measure it.

What looks like a self sack could be because of a myriad of reasons that don’t involve the decision of the QB.

Blaming all of the those types of plays solely on the QB is stupid.

Posted
8 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Florida played their third string secondary against everyone.  But ok I’ll give you that one if you’ll give me Kentucky, Aggy,Georgia 1, 

I didn't say everyone, but they sure didn't all get hurt our week and all come back the week after.

Posted
24 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

And what if the play is a shotgun snap with a slight roll to the right but the defense blitzes a backer and a safety and the back fails to pick it up and the primary receiver does not break his route off and the QB spins the other way and runs into a blitzer ?

Self sacked?
Sure looks like one to some.

That scenario is not considered a self sack lmao. You clearly don't even understand.

 

31 minutes ago, gurt said:

what about if a QB runs around for 10 seconds and instead of throwing it out of bounds is sacked and loses 10 yards?  What would you call that?


Because that was the ding on both Cam Ward and Shedeur Sanders.

That would be considered a self sack. Shedeur is super bad at this and a lot of the dings that Quinn has are the same that Shedeur has except Shedeur has more escapability and pocket awareness. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Steamboat1874 said:

I know what a self sack is assclown but I am not so sure there is any way to measure it.

What looks like a self sack could be because of a myriad of reasons that don’t involve the decision of the QB.

Blaming all of the those types of plays solely on the QB is stupid.

You clearly don’t know what a self sack is or you wouldn’t have made this post.

Also, why are you such a combative dickhead to everyone?

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

You weren’t exactly demonstrative in your statement, but you did refer to shitty teams with the implication that we had shitty players.

lol. We had shitty teams because we lost a bunch of football games. Not that hard. 

 

Posted
2 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

"You're not in traffic, you are traffic."

Also, here's another Quinn gif. 

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Not the classic moon-shot to Worthy that everyone remembers, but the somewhat less appreciated "nail in the coffin" throw to AD in the 4th. 

Let’s try to take Ewers out of the equation here.  It could and does happen to all QBs.

1). If that WR runs a 4.5 as opposed to a 4.3, does he catch it?

2)  If you’re an NFL GM, and you only have one play to watch, how would you rate this Qb play with respect to timing, accuracy, anticipation?

 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

You clearly don’t know what a self sack is or you wouldn’t have made this post.

Also, why are you such a combative dickhead to everyone?

Not everyone…
Just you, derka, and derka’s other screen name that continues being dicks.

Since you claim I don’t know what a self sack is, and several of us have pointed out, it is a subjective stat that cannot be easily defined, why don’t you post some videos of some plays that you consider self sacks and plays that are not.

Bonus points if the audio has the words “self sack” in it.

Posted
11 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

DE-DT twist. Cam loses the edge in confusion so Quinn steps up in the pocket, but DJ let the DE cross his face and Quinn steps right into his arms. Self sack yes or no?

You QAnons always add caveats to scenarios where Quinn looks terrible but blame someone else and it’s never Quinn’s fault. 

Here’s a screen grab from the Film Guy’s analysis on the game. Quinn’s leg can be seen by the 0 score. It looks like a clean pocket if he just steps up. But then you throw in all this other DE-DT twist shit to distract from the fact that Quinn fucked up. Just own it. Thats where the discontent is on this thread. That Quinn is never at fault when we can see it clearly on the game film. It’s not about his political views either. I don’t give a fuck if he supports Trump or Kamala or Jill Stein. When you make excuses and redirect blame for a person without any accountability the way some of you Quinn supporters do, that’s the fucking cult behavior Derka keeps blabbing about because Texas Football is so above blatant homerism like that. 
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Posted
7 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

lol. We had shitty teams because we lost a bunch of football games. Not that hard. 

 

So you must have shitty players.  Right?  Does a losing record qualify or some other qualifier?  

Posted
2 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Not everyone…
Just you, derka, and derka’s other screen name that continues being dicks.

Since you claim I don’t know what a self sack is, and several of us have pointed out, it is a subjective stat that cannot be easily defined, why don’t you post some videos of some plays that you consider self sacks and plays that are not.

Bonus points if the audio has the words “self sack” in it.

You seem cool lol.

Several meaning one. You’re the only person having trouble with this. 

Aren’t you also the guy that told us Mo Rivera pitched everyday and we should throw Volantis three days in a row?

You’re just old man. Sorry but the games have changed.

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