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42 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

This quote says it all about the establishment's entitlement:

"Perez, complained Virginia Rep. Gerry Connolly, has made Democratic members of Congress “second-class citizens in our convention.”

Fuck that noise.   Powerful Dems are still far and away the first class citizens in this process.  But at worst these changes would make them equal to everyone else, not second-class.   Which is what they deserve, after their way of doing things led to a defeat to Trump. 

This.

Fuck. Off.

The people decide the nominee.  Not Democratic members of Congress. 

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6 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

lmao.  Just a few days ago Mayor Pete said he would not reverse Trump's decision to move US embassy move to Jerusalem.

The only thing I've found with Bernie is he said he would move the embassy back (but not a "definitive answer") if he could get a peace deal. When asked if he'd move the embassy now, he wouldn't answer. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

The only thing I've found with Bernie is he said he would move the embassy back (but not a "definitive answer") if he could get a peace deal. When asked if he'd move the embassy now, he wouldn't answer. 

 

Which is clearly a superior answer to that question than the one Mayor Pete gave. 

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3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

"Yeah" != "no answer"

We must value the value of our values with values that value value.

"Yeah, but can't give you a definitive answer" = yes? 

And the questions weren't framed the same.  Chuck Todd originally asked if Bernie would move the embassy if it could get a peace deal, which is a total softball. The question posed to Buttigieg was would he move the embassy back, period.  Pete answered that question, and Bernie didn't when Todd reframed it. 

 

 

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Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

"Yeah, but can't give you a definitive answer" = yes? 

It's a statement that he would if it were contingent on a peace plan (which was part of Todd's question) and any definitive answer would require the details of that peace plan.

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Pete answered that question, Bernie didn't. 

Bernie's answer is literally cut off it that clip, so I don't know what he actually said.

Regarding Pete's big foreign policy speech, though, what part of it specifically is supposed to provide hope that "Pete is not merely someone who would furrow his brow while ordering more drone strikes."

Because I watched it and... I don't know which part of it was supposed to help. Was it the part about how the invasion of Afghanistan was as necessary as the landing at Normandy? Was it the part about how we should still do unilateral wars just only if we Super Duper need to? Was it the part about the principlization of our valued ideal values? Was it about how Tweeting is bad and Facebook is good?

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Hasn't Mayor Pete said he supports a two-state solution?  How does that work with the US embassy remaining in Jerusalem given that Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian state under the '67 lines?  What kind of two-state solution does Mayor Pete have in mind? 

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Just now, Fozzz said:

Hasn't Mayor Pete said he supports a two-state solution?  How does that work with the US embassy remaining in Jerusalem given that Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian state under the '67 lines?  What kind of two-state solution does Mayor Pete have in mind? 

Have these questions been asked and answered by other candidates? Would love to read about their views. 

 

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Just now, bad_teammate said:

Well in that clip you posted Bernie says he would remove the embassy from Jerusalem as part of a peace plan. You just posted it 20 minutes ago.

Do you think there is a candidate that wouldn't move the embassy back as part of an agreed upon peace plan?

 

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56 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Do you think there is a candidate that wouldn't move the embassy back as part of an agreed upon peace plan?

There are 24 of them, so probably at least one.

20 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:
Looks like Painter is endorsing Warren for now. 

Republican endorsements, Third Way

This is truly the candidate the Left Brocialists need to shut up and get behind!

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On 6/18/2019 at 11:45 AM, Hank Scorpio said:

 then a horde of shitlibs all coming out to defend the latest empty suit like Mayor Pete or Beto when they say something like "the most important thing is for Americans to have the freedom to be American" when asked about their plan for healthcare. 

"the values of our values are American values to be valued as principled values"

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11 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

How pissed are you going to be when you have to vote for Joe Biden?

You asking this question to b_t once a week is getting tiring.  

No one is going to be happy to vote for Joe. But we are going to vote for Joe if he is the nominee. 

The end. Stop fucking asking. 

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Where is the shot at Warren?

You're like that person in a crowd trying to get other people to fight.

Bernie isn't taking shots at Warren and he won't ever take shots at Warren. They are personal friends, he asked her personally to run in 2016 and only ran because she said she wouldn't. Their teams are full of people who have worked together in the past and are friends. If Warren wins the nomination, Bernie will be her #1 surrogate on the road.

You're a bitch, basically.

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

You asking this question to b_t once a week is getting tiring.  

No one is going to be happy to vote for Joe. But we are going to vote for Joe if he is the nominee. 

The end. Stop fucking asking. 

How pissed are you going to be when you have to vote for Joe Biden?

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15 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Where is the shot at Warren?

Bernie saying he's the only one that can do XYZ and quoting an article titled. "Centrists are coming around to Elizabeth Warren as an alternative to Bernie Sanders"

It's a veiled shot to obviously fortify his base from migrating to Warren.  

This is not complicated. 

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7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Bernie saying he's the only one that can do XYZ and quoting an article titled. "Centrists are coming around to Elizabeth Warren as an alternative to Bernie Sanders"

He didn't say that.

 Who is the "they"? It's not Warren, it's "the corporate wing of the Democratic Party".

If Warren adopts the progressive agenda then she is part of "our".

You're focusing on the "coming around to Elizabeth Warren" part because, as previously mentioned, you're the bitch in the crowd trying to get other people to fight. Sanders's eternal refrain is how the powered monied interests are against him specifically, hence, "as an alternative to Bernie Sanders".

Read the article, troll.

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2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

I would be interested to hear an explanation as to how Pete's statement is to the "left" of Bernie's.

Ok, so going back to the question asked by the NYT to all the candidates here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/israel-human-rights-democratic-candidates.html

Question: Do you think Israel meets international standards of human rights? 

Buttigieg: "I think Israel's human rights record is problematic and moving in the wrong direction under the current right-wing government. Look, the U.S. can be committed to Israeli security, and to the U.S.-Israel alliance, while also guiding our ally in a direction that leads toward peace. I'm very worried, especially with some of the latest talk about annexation of the West Bank, that their government is moving away from peace in a way that is damaging in the long run to Israeli and Palestinian, and for that matter, American interests."

Sanders: "I have great concerns about the role that Netanyahu is playing in Israel and their relationship with the Palestinians. As I've said many times, I believe 100% in the right for Israel not only to exist, but to exist in peace and security. But the role of the United States is to work with all of the entities in the region, including the Palestinians, and to do that in an even-handed way."

Warren: "I think that Israel is in a really tough neighborhood. I understand that, they face enormous challenges. And they are our strong ally. We need a liberal democracy in that region and to work with that liberal democracy. But it is also the case that we need to encourage our ally, the way we would any good friend, to come to the table with the Palestinians and to work toward a permanent solution. I strongly support a two-state solution, and I believe that a good friend says to the Palestinians and to the Israelis, come to the table and negotiate. The United States cannot dictate the terms of a long term settlement with the Palestinians and Israelis. But what it can do, is urge both of them to go there and to stay out of the way, to let them negotiate the pieces that are most important to them for a lasting peace. The current situation is not tenable. It may be tenable for a week, it may be tenable for a month, but it is not in the long term interests of either the Israelis or the Palestinians to continue on the path they're on. We need to come to a two-state solution."

Gabbard: "I think there are some challenges with Israeli that need to be addressed."

Reporter: Could you expand on that? 

"I think that ongoing issues that we continue to see in the conflict between Israel and Palestine are complicated, but there needs to be progress made ultimately to make sure that both the Israeli people and the Palestinian people are able to live with peace and security."

Harris: "I think that Israel as a country is dedicated to being a democracy and is one of our closest friends in that region. And that we should understand the shared values and priorities that we have as a democracy. And conduct foreign policy in a way that is consistent with understanding the alignment between the American people and the people of Israel." 

Reporter: Does Israel meet the human right standards to your personal satisfaction? 

"Well, talk in more detail. What specifically are you referring to? 

Reporter: As a country overall in terms of how they-

"Overall, yes."

 

 

 

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Ok, so going back to the question asked by the NYT to all the candidates here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/israel-human-rights-democratic-candidates.html

Question: Do you think Israel meets international standards of human rights? 

Buttigieg: "I think Israel's human rights record is problematic and moving in the wrong direction under the current right-wing government. Look, the U.S. can be committed to Israeli security, and to the U.S.-Israel alliance, while also guiding our ally in a direction that leads toward peace. I'm very worried, especially with some of the latest talk about annexation of the West Bank, that their government is moving away from peace in a way that is damaging in the long run to Israeli and Palestinian, and for that matter, American interests."

Sanders: "I have great concerns about the role that Netanyahu is playing in Israel and their relationship with the Palestinians. As I've said many times, I believe 100% in the right for Israel not only to exist, but to exist in peace and security. But the role of the United States is to work with all of the entities in the region, including the Palestinians, and to do that in an even-handed way."

Warren: "I think that Israel is in a really tough neighborhood. I understand that, they face enormous challenges. And they are our strong ally. We need a liberal democracy in that region and to work with that liberal democracy. But it is also the case that we need to encourage our ally, the way we would any good friend, to come to the table with the Palestinians and to work toward a permanent solution. I strongly support a two-state solution, and I believe that a good friend says to the Palestinians and to the Israelis, come to the table and negotiate. The United States cannot dictate the terms of a long term settlement with the Palestinians and Israelis. But what it can do, is urge both of them to go there and to stay out of the way, to let them negotiate the pieces that are most important to them for a lasting peace. The current situation is not tenable. It may be tenable for a week, it may be tenable for a month, but it is not in the long term interests of either the Israelis or the Palestinians to continue on the path they're on. We need to come to a two-state solution."

Gabbard: "I think there are some challenges with Israeli that need to be addressed."

Reporter: Could you expand on that? 

"I think that ongoing issues that we continue to see in the conflict between Israel and Palestine are complicated, but there needs to be progress made ultimately to make sure that both the Israeli people and the Palestinian people are able to live with peace and security."

Harris: "I think that Israel as a country is dedicated to being a democracy and is one of our closest friends in that region. And that we should understand the shared values and priorities that we have as a democracy. And conduct foreign policy in a way that is consistent with understanding the alignment between the American people and the people of Israel." 

Reporter: Does Israel meet the human right standards to your personal satisfaction? 

"Well, talk in more detail. What specifically are you referring to? 

Reporter: As a country overall in terms of how they-

"Overall, yes."

 

 

 

Special shout out to Tulsi Gabbard's answer. Holy shit. Isn't she supposed to be strong on foreign policy? 

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What’s wrong with her answer.  The categorical left answer that Israel is mean and Palestinians are nice has been exhausted.  

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