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I just treat it like the minor leagues that they are.  It has fuck-all to do with a particular school anymore beyond being the site for the games and from whom the money originates. Hell, i don't really like 6A football at the high school level in Texas any more for some of the same reasons.

Still have a soft spot for the academies and lower division  schools. 

 

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12 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I personally don’t give a shit if SEC plays 8 or 9 games. It doesn’t fix that the conferences are too big and the media payouts still don’t make sense when it comes to the basement of those leagues. It drives me crazy that the conferences are still in competition with each other instead of working together like the pro leagues. The collapse of the PAC just about did it for me. It makes zero sense that the western half of the country doesn’t have a geographic league at the highest level. Cal and Stanford in the Atlantic Coast Conference is just too ridiculous for me to handle.

There have always been haves and have nots so that doesn’t bother me as much. I also think the portal is fair but can’t stand how many players are using it and I can’t keep track of the roster anymore. The overall absurdity is where the sport is losing me but I’m also older so I can’t use myself as some sign that the sport is in trouble overall. I suspect it probably is going to lose overall interest to a noticeable degree soon.

It fixes a lot of issues with a 16-team conferences.  We play 3 rivals every year.  And rotate home and away through the other 12 teams in 4 years.  Kind of like how we played the big 12 north back in the old days.  It is the best possible scenario for a 16-team conference and prevents absurdities like A&M playing Georgia once in 13 years.

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The B12 and ACC have good media contracts for another seven years. 
 
What we saw in 2024: B12 games can’t draw media viewers in numbers needed to support those payments, now that the SEC and B1G have a bunch of better matchups. 
 
That’s why Farmageddon is in Ireland on week 0. That’s why a bunch of B12 games will be played in Thursday and Friday. That’s why ESPN is selling inventory to TNT. That’s why FSU and Clemson believe getting to the SEC or B1G is an existential need. 
 
Now, there will be a larger and better inventory of SEC games. ESPN really wants that. The next media contracts will increase the gap between SEC/B1G and ACC/B12. 
 
When we look back on 10-20 years ago, and wonder how this happened, a reflective IR8 fan or booster might wonder, “Is there anything we could have done to keep Texas and OU happy here? To have kept that first domino from falling, or even delayed it?” People tend to be self centered, so they’ll probably just decide, “Naw. Those Longhorns are just big selfish jerks”. 
 
They’ll never realize what huge strategic errors the coaches’ votes in 2008 were, the hostility against letting Texas really weaponize the LHN was too, that the fun from seeing Deterding screw the Horns in 2015 was self defeating. 
 
The Lilliputian’s did as they wanted and Gulliver split town. 

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11 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

It fixes a lot of issues with a 16-team conferences.  We play 3 rivals every year.  And rotate home and away through the other 12 teams in 4 years.  Kind of like how we played the big 12 north back in the old days.  It is the best possible scenario for a 16-team conference and prevents absurdities like A&M playing Georgia once in 13 years.

Are they really going to schedule that way though? Everyone else has a few "protected" games with no consistency. I'm advocating for that type of scheduling in the Big 12, everyone has three annual opponents and two from the other "pods" but it seems that no confernece will do that very straight forward method, because it probably makes too much sense. 

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16 minutes ago, statsman said:

The B12 and ACC have good media contracts for another seven years. 
 
What we saw in 2024: B12 games can’t draw media viewers in numbers needed to support those payments, now that the SEC and B1G have a bunch of better matchups. 
 
That’s why Farmageddon is in Ireland on week 0. That’s why a bunch of B12 games will be played in Thursday and Friday. That’s why ESPN is selling inventory to TNT. That’s why FSU and Clemson believe getting to the SEC or B1G is an existential need. 
 
Now, there will be a larger and better inventory of SEC games. ESPN really wants that. The next media contracts will increase the gap between SEC/B1G and ACC/B12. 
 
When we look back on 10-20 years ago, and wonder how this happened, a reflective IR8 fan or booster might wonder, “Is there anything we could have done to keep Texas and OU happy here? To have kept that first domino from falling, or even delayed it?” People tend to be self centered, so they’ll probably just decide, “Naw. Those Longhorns are just big selfish jerks”. 
 
They’ll never realize what huge strategic errors the coaches’ votes in 2008 were, the hostility against letting Texas really weaponize the LHN was too, that the fun from seeing Deterding screw the Horns in 2015 was self defeating. 
 
The Lilliputian’s did as they wanted and Gulliver split town. 

Every conference Texas has been in since forever has broken up.  I'm sure that's completely coincidental and has nothing to do with Texas. 

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Just now, Chewbacca said:

Every conference Texas has been in since forever has broken up.  I'm sure that's completely coincidental and has nothing to do with Texas. 

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18 minutes ago, statsman said:

The B12 and ACC have good media contracts for another seven years. 
 
What we saw in 2024: B12 games can’t draw media viewers in numbers needed to support those payments, now that the SEC and B1G have a bunch of better matchups. 
 
That’s why Farmageddon is in Ireland on week 0. That’s why a bunch of B12 games will be played in Thursday and Friday. That’s why ESPN is selling inventory to TNT. That’s why FSU and Clemson believe getting to the SEC or B1G is an existential need. 
 
Now, there will be a larger and better inventory of SEC games. ESPN really wants that. The next media contracts will increase the gap between SEC/B1G and ACC/B12. 
 
When we look back on 10-20 years ago, and wonder how this happened, a reflective IR8 fan or booster might wonder, “Is there anything we could have done to keep Texas and OU happy here? To have kept that first domino from falling, or even delayed it?” People tend to be self centered, so they’ll probably just decide, “Naw. Those Longhorns are just big selfish jerks”. 
 
They’ll never realize what huge strategic errors the coaches’ votes in 2008 were, the hostility against letting Texas really weaponize the LHN was too, that the fun from seeing Deterding screw the Horns in 2015 was self defeating. 
 
The Lilliputian’s did as they wanted and Gulliver split town. 

You might have this site’s record for the most posts saying the same fucking thing.

Which is really pretty impressive 

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28 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

It fixes a lot of issues with a 16-team conferences.  We play 3 rivals every year.  And rotate home and away through the other 12 teams in 4 years.  Kind of like how we played the big 12 north back in the old days.  It is the best possible scenario for a 16-team conference and prevents absurdities like A&M playing Georgia once in 13 years.

It would work really well for us too or hell you could even do 4 protected and cycle the rest even slower in the Big 12. That would be incredibly uneven and you wouldn't see some schools for a really long time, but who really cares if they're not getting more Arizona @ West Virginia? 

 

Tech's schedule this year is a self-inflicted disaster by the conference. 

Games against schools from Texas and states that border Texas:
2008: SMU, @ Texas A&M, Texas, Oklahoma State, @ Oklahoma, Baylor

2025: Arkansas Pine-Bluff, @ Houston, Oklahoma State

 

Now OU, A&M, and UT aren't an option of course, but there is no reason to have them skipping TCU and Baylor in the same season. 

I'm beating a dead horse at this point, but hey it's 23 hours until football.

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4 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Every conference Texas has been in since forever has broken up.  I'm sure that's completely coincidental and has nothing to do with Texas. 

 

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1 minute ago, Fondren & Main said:

It's actually funny that teams like OkSt and Tech are pissed at Texas.  They should be pissed at aggy for buttfucking the PAC12 deal.

What Pac 12 deal?

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23 minutes ago, statsman said:

When we look back on 10-20 years ago, and wonder how this happened, a reflective IR8 fan or booster might wonder, “Is there anything we could have done to keep Texas and OU happy here? 

I don't see how we could have; we weren't going to suddenly be bigger name football schools than the SEC. We currently have 0 70k+ seat stadiums to the 11 in the SEC now. There was no logical reason for OU and UT to stay in the B12 with us. 

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14 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Every conference Texas has been in since forever has broken up.  I'm sure that's completely coincidental and has nothing to do with Texas. 

You think there is a connection? Explain it. 

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15 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Every conference Texas has been in since forever has broken up.  I'm sure that's completely coincidental and has nothing to do with Texas. 

Arkansas got mad and left the SWC because they were tired of playing only Texas teams.  They tried to recruit Texas to the SEC when they left.  Broyles and Royal talked about it.

Nebraska started the degradation of the Big 12 because they got mad at Texas because we wouldn't let them offer scholarships to retards and murderers.  What is it that you don't understand?

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2 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Arkansas got mad and left the SWC because they were tired of playing only Texas teams.  They tried to recruit Texas to the SEC when they left.  Broyles and Royal talked about it.

Nebraska started the degradation of the Big 12 because they got mad at Texas because we wouldn't let them offer scholarships to retards and murderers.  What is it that you don't understand?

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9 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

It's actually funny that teams like OkSt and Tech are pissed at Texas.  They should be pissed at aggy for buttfucking the PAC12 deal.

Oh, I've never let that go, but even after aggy backed down, it still could have happened. ESPN bribed Texas with the LHN money to prevent going to the Fox contracted PAC. I'm also not sure anyone is genuinely "pissed" at Texas for any of this, at least not anything in addition to hating the local blueblood like an ordinary fan. It was always the money, if anything the ire is at ESPN for pulling all the strings behind the new absurdity. 

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19 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

You might have this site’s record for the most posts saying the same fucking thing.

Which is really pretty impressive 

 

9 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

I don't see how we could have; we weren't going to suddenly be bigger name football schools than the SEC. We currently have 0 70k+ seat stadiums to the 11 in the SEC now. There was no logical reason for OU and UT to stay in the B12 with us. 

I love when he goes to the "maybe everyone should have been nicer to Texas" well. Especially when the explaination is that the IR8 circled the Texas game and tried too hard to win which was totally mean and unfair. 

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8 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Oh, I've never let that go, but even after aggy backed down, it still could have happened. ESPN bribed Texas with the LHN money to prevent going to the Fox contracted PAC. I'm also not sure anyone is genuinely "pissed" at Texas for any of this, at least not anything in addition to hating the local blueblood like an ordinary fan. It was always the money, if anything the ire is at ESPN for pulling all the strings behind the new absurdity. 

Texas to the PAC was never going to happen because they wouldn't let go of LHN and they would not agree to equal revenue sharing. Both were deal killers.

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19 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Every conference Texas has been in since forever has broken up.  I'm sure that's completely coincidental and has nothing to do with Texas. 

So the Big 12 broke up? When did that happen? Where did it go? 

Most of the conferences that Rice has been involved with have also died, "broken up" or reorganized. So have the ones that Texas A&M was involved with, including the old Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association, and if you're going to go back that far, be sure you include a good look at all 72 teams that have been part of that one, including Presbyterian, Centre College, Johns Hopkins and Morehouse State.

11 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

What Pac 12 deal?

Generally I like to be a little more indirect in responses to folks and stick to facts, but I'll venture the opinion that you're really showing your ass here when it comes to an understanding of realignment history.

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28 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Every conference Texas has been in since forever has broken up.  I'm sure that's completely coincidental and has nothing to do with Texas. 

The same thing is true of Colorado, or do we think the Mountain States Conference is still going strong?

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34 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Every conference Texas has been in since forever has broken up.  I'm sure that's completely coincidental and has nothing to do with Texas. 

Texas left the SWC but was not the first. Texas left the Big 12 but was not the first, and the conference, contrary to your claim, is still together without Texas. Texas Tech left the Border Conference, which died. They left the SWC, which died. They are in their third conference. Are they conference assassins? Did Texas kill the Big East or the Pac 12? Are you retarded? 

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12 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Texas to the PAC was never going to happen because they wouldn't let go of LHN and they would not agree to equal revenue sharing. Both were deal killers.

Yes, Texas didn’t want to sign on to Larry Scott’s vision for taking the PAC to a new level (Scott said, basically, my way or the highway). How shortsighted!

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25 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole.

I may be an asshole, but you're a gigantic PUSSY!  HAHAHAHAHA

9 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

Texas left the SWC but was not the first. Texas left the Big 12 but was not the first, and the conference, contrary to your claim, is still together without Texas. Texas Tech left the Border Conference, which died. They left the SWC, which died. They are in their third conference. Are they conference assassins? Did Texas kill the Big East or the Pac 12? Are you retarded? 

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12 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

Texas left the SWC but was not the first. Texas left the Big 12 but was not the first, and the conference, contrary to your claim, is still together without Texas. Texas Tech left the Border Conference, which died. They left the SWC, which died. They are in their third conference. Are they conference assassins? Did Texas kill the Big East or the Pac 12? Are you retarded? 

No

No

Yes

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59 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Every conference Texas has been in since forever has broken up.  I'm sure that's completely coincidental and has nothing to do with Texas. 

Most other posters have covered the broad strokes, but by all means, please tell us how Texas was responsible for every conference it ever being in disappearing. We'll wait. Please bring receipts.

The way you phrase this also means that these schools have an equal or greater resume of teams that kill conferences:

COLORADO(Big 8, Big 12, Pac-12)
Baylor
Texas A&M
Oklahoma

I mean I can keep going, but I guess we can just ask why Colorado keeps killing all the conferences it joins?
 

 

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23 minutes ago, Magus Ossis said:

Texas left the SWC but was not the first. Texas left the Big 12 but was not the first, and the conference, contrary to your claim, is still together without Texas. Texas Tech left the Border Conference, which died. They left the SWC, which died. They are in their third conference. Are they conference assassins? Did Texas kill the Big East or the Pac 12? Are you retarded? 

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I mean...it kinda checks out...Justice for the Border Conference!

 

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On 8/15/2025 at 6:30 PM, Crockett said:

Looks like BYU will be starting a true freshman at QB after the Retzlaff drama and exit. 

Bachmeier had offers from Alabama, Notre Dame, Texas A&M, Michigan, Oregon, Arkansas and Michigan State coming out of high school. He chose Stanford, won the starting job in the spring, but with the departure of the HC he transferred to BYU and now won the starting job again. The team is good enough that he just needs to be solid and manage the game. Could be a bumpy year or special year if he steps up because the rest of the pieces are in place. 

What you need now is a skill-position player named Turner and they can be Bachmeier Turner Overdrive.

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32 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Texas to the PAC was never going to happen because they wouldn't let go of LHN and they would not agree to equal revenue sharing. Both were deal killers.

The original PAC 16 proposal was before the LHN existed. That contract was given by ESPN to prevent Texas from moving to the PAC whose contract was with Fox. The proposal came back up after the LHN contract was signed and it worked as the poison pill. I'm not sure if the move was even still possible after the LHN contract but if it was fuck Larry Scott for not letting UT keep it and finding a way to make it work. It would have presented some short term difficulties but his conference would have survived and been competitive with the BIG and SEC. Yes I'm still bitter because OKST was going to be a part of it and secured its safety at a time where we were all facing an ORST/WSU type demise. 

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2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

The original PAC 16 proposal was before the LHN existed. That contract was given by ESPN to prevent Texas from moving to the PAC whose contract was with Fox. The proposal came back up after the LHN contract was signed and it worked as the poison pill. I'm not sure if the move was even still possible after the LHN contract but if it was fuck Larry Scott for not letting UT keep it and finding a way to make it work. It would have presented some short term difficulties but his conference would have survived and been competitive with the BIG and SEC. Yes I'm still bitter because OKST was going to be a part of it and secured its safety at a time where we were all facing an ORST/WSU type demise. 

I remember I was floating the Guadalupe one weekend when all of this was going down and some UT guy saw my BU gear and I remember telling him how we were 100% sure that BU was going to pick the MWC over CUSA if the Big East wasn't interested. Was it only going to be BU left out or was there something about KSU/ISU being out too? I don't remember.

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1 minute ago, SimonBolivar said:

I remember I was floating the Guadalupe one weekend when all of this was going down and some UT guy saw my BU gear and I remember telling him how we were 100% sure that BU was going to pick the MWC over CUSA if the Big East wasn't interested. Was it only going to be BU left out or was there something about KSU/ISU being out too? I don't remember.

It was going to be UT, aggy, Tech, OU, OKST, and CU. When aggy started crying I think KU was thrown out as a possible replacement. So KSU, ISU, BU, and possibly KU would have been left out. I always thought KU and maybe ISU and/or KSU would have a chance at being taken by the ACC. The common thinking was that Baylor was for sure out and likely to join MWC or Big East (now AAC).

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3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

It was going to be UT, aggy, Tech, OU, OKST, and CU. When aggy started crying I think KU was thrown out as a possible replacement. So KSU, ISU, BU, and possibly KU would have been left out. I always thought KU and maybe ISU and/or KSU would have a chance at being taken by the ACC. The common thinking was that Baylor was for sure out and likely to join MWC or Big East (now AAC).

In hindsight, we really can't blame aggy for not wanting to join the Pac. But, you're right. A Pac with those 6 added could've hung with the B1G and SEC.

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I also remember a game in Stillwater where we were told PAC officials were at to evaluate the game day experience. My friends and I were discussing if they might change the name of the new conference. We liked the Southwest and Pacific Conference aka the SoPac. 

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2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I also remember a game in Stillwater where we were told PAC officials were at to evaluate the game day experience. My friends and I were discussing if they might change the name of the new conference. We liked the Southwest and Pacific Conference aka the SoPac. 

Did the same officials attend half-empty UCLA, Stanford, or Cal games?

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44 minutes ago, statsman said:

Yes, Texas didn’t want to sign on to Larry Scott’s vision for taking the PAC to a new level (Scott said, basically, my way or the highway). How shortsighted!

Texas wanted preferential treatment and the conference said no.  Larry Scott was an idiot but not about that.

41 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

I may be an asshole, but you're a gigantic PUSSY!  HAHAHAHAHA

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Oh, no!  I'm a pussy?  How will I recover from an insult like that?

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3 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Texas wanted preferential treatment and the conference said no.  Larry Scott was an idiot but not about that.

Oh, no!  I'm a pussy?  How will I recover from an insult like that?

If it was logistically possible he should have found a way to make it work. The LHN was always temporary and his conference would have survived and competed well with the BIG and SEC.

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23 minutes ago, 'stache said:

The original PAC 16 proposal was before the LHN existed. That contract was given by ESPN to prevent Texas from moving to the PAC whose contract was with Fox. The proposal came back up after the LHN contract was signed and it worked as the poison pill. I'm not sure if the move was even still possible after the LHN contract but if it was fuck Larry Scott for not letting UT keep it and finding a way to make it work. It would have presented some short term difficulties but his conference would have survived and been competitive with the BIG and SEC. Yes I'm still bitter because OKST was going to be a part of it and secured its safety at a time where we were all facing an ORST/WSU type demise. 

We're all going to be left behind eventually, except for the top 20 or so teams, IMO.

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4 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

Did the same officials attend half-empty UCLA, Stanford, or Cal games?

My friends and I discussed that too, we would have been in the upper half (or close) of game day experiences in the new conference. 

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2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

If it was logistically possible he should have found a way to make it work. The LHN was always temporary and his conference would have survived and competed well with the BIG and SEC.

Media deal would have still expired when it did and Texas would have still left for the SEC, IMO.  

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My memory- it started in 2008. It wasn’t just that B12 coaches voted OU and TT ahead of Texas, in the votes determining the B12 south champ (and then BCS CG), but that they voted Texas down artificially (6th or lower). It was clearly a vote to create space for OU. My guess? They didn’t want a Longhorn team at peak capacity, dominating the Texas recruiting the whole conference relied on. 
 
It is hard to describe how pissed Texas was. (Hell, I still am). ‘Stache, remember that maybe-missed FG against ISU? Imagine replay showed it clearly good, and the review still disallowed it, after consulting with conference ADs. That’s how pissed we were. 
 
(in the off season, a photo showed the team conference hall, where 2008 -with an asterisk- was up there on the list of conference champions. Texas was roundly mocked for that. That didn’t help the mood in Bellmont, or the Tower or the BoR). 
 
Texas was done playing nice. The plan was to develop the LHN and weaponize it. Screw the conference- we were no longer going along with the fiction that their third tier content was worth anything. We were going to have specials about star HS recruits and big HS games, and the LHN was going to highlight Texas as the place to be and play. 
 
The league (especially the Texas schools) pitched a shit fit. Texas had to back down. 
 
But, Texas decided the B12 really wasn’t a collegial confeeence wheee everyone supports everyone else being as good as they can be. And Texas really started to look out for itself. 

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1 hour ago, 'stache said:

 

I love when he goes to the "maybe everyone should have been nicer to Texas" well. Especially when the explaination is that the IR8 circled the Texas game and tried too hard to win which was totally mean and unfair. 

He is a butthurt little snowflake

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1 minute ago, Chewbacca said:

We're all going to be left behind eventually, except for the top 20 or so teams, IMO.

If there is a break off I think it’s more likely to be 48 or 64 (ish). A tiny version of Prestige Worldwide would cause too much apathy from the mid tier program fans and alum and shrink the pie too much. At least in my opinion. I for one wouldn’t care at all about Michigan vs Florida if it’s a separate division while my alma mater is Division 2.

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3 minutes ago, LTbear said:

He is a butthurt little snowflake

Ha-ha-ha-ha!

In the Bible, Jesus said what we do to and for the least of us, we do to and for Him. 
 
Baylor University roofied Jesus, ran a train on Him, and when He complained, they told Him to fuck off.  

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11 minutes ago, statsman said:

It is hard to describe how pissed Texas was. (Hell, I still am). ‘Stache, remember that maybe-missed FG against ISU? Imagine replay showed it clearly good, and the review still disallowed it, after consulting with conference ADs. That’s how pissed we were. 
 

That field goal was good and fuck you for reminding me of that game. Also, Texas didn't develop the LHN out of spite, it was given to them by ESPN to provide enough money to keep them from joining the PAC temporarily setting them up for the later move to the SEC or possibly getting the next PAC contract at which case they'd be good with the move. We were also screwed in 2011 despite the ISU game when coaches voted us low enough that Bama got the MNC title game spot by a fraction of a point, the smallest margin by far in the BCS era. I'm more pissed at the field goal tbh and that we agreed to a Friday night road game even though ISU wasn't good that year.

Edit: That was also the day the women's basketball coach and some staff members died in a plane crash and I think that had something to do with how we played. Nobody to blame for that shitty circumstance. 

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2 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

Between NIL, the portal and the way all the money and power in CFB has been amassed by the B1G and SEC, I'm just not as interested in CFB as I used to be.  Only a select few teams can afford the top players and you never know who will even be on the team from year to year. Lower tier teams are now being used as farm teams for the top teams because players can leave at any time.

Are the results bearing this out, though? In the first year of the 12-team playoff Indiana, SMU, ASU and Boise State all made the dance. 

I don't know where it ultimately winds up but so far the NIL era has created more parity than we had in the BCS/SEC bag-game era.

2 hours ago, statsman said:

Of B12 teams, the only ones to win MNCs were Colorado (1990) and TCU (1935, 1938). 
 

'35 isn't a real championship (even by MNC standards) for TCU but '38 is. 

You're missing BYU in '84. 

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