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5 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

our DB's could not stop UW.  they were a disaster.

If you sack the QB, that’s not a problem.  And actually the LBs got picked some too.

Didn’t that USC score more points  than UW?  Did they win?

 

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9 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

And that does not mean shit as far as a single game outcome is concerned.

Way too many variables.

Pretty sure you can find plenty of college football games where a team with a bunch of draft picks loses to a a team with very few or even none.

Single game outcomes with a QB that isn't that good matters a ton given they touch the ball every single offensive snap. Each of those games the QB opposite of him outplayed him. Will Howard was a better QB than Quinn Ewers was in 2024 just as Penix Jr was a better QB than Quinn was in 2023. Quinn in 2023 is better QB than Quinn 2024.

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It is unconditionally true that people would have been pissed if Quinn went as late as he did coming out after last year. 

It is also unconditionally true that he came back in 2024 and 1) did not win a conference championship and 2) did not advance to the NCG/Win the NCG 

When you combine those things and we don't have the 2025 results yet (what if Arch actually does suck? and Texas misses the playoffs and goes 8-4?) we are left with Quinn's final impression being worse in almost every way than if he just left in 2024. 

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6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Nice dodge.

Story of this thread. Sure, most over two years but not most in either year and both teams that beat us had a ton of players drafted. Only 36 teams have ever had double-digit draftees and both teams are on that list.

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4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?  We got beat by two very talented teams.  It takes 22 guys (well, 24+) not 1 guy.  This thread is fucking stupid.

It’s the Ewers thread.  Celebrating his successes and failures.  You are correct.  All very talented teams.

There was considerable thrashing of the D versus UW.  I mean on the message boards.  The Ds job was significantly more difficult than the O.  That UW team was unbalanced relative to the others.  There is little support to say the UW defense had great talent.

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Being the 13th QB drafted in the 7th round just proves all the "haters" were correct in their assessments. Especially when you couple that with all the pre draft scouting profiles that outlined pretty much every single complaint this thread has been filled with by the "haters". Seems like the "haters" were correct in their real time assessment of Ewers and the people hard coping right now are the QAnon(QuinnAnon) posters trying to grasp at any semblance of hope they can at a guy who was above average to good(in a handful of games at least). Quinn and his team should be thankful for Sark because according to the GM of the Dolphins Sark is the reason they even drafted him and if not for that he would have went undrafted.

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4 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

Story of this thread. Sure, most over two years but not most in either year and both teams that beat us had a ton of players drafted. Only 36 teams have ever had double-digit draftees and both teams are on that list.

I have no interest in digging further, and I'm sure there are other examples on other talented teams, but Matthew Golden and Andrew Mukuba weren't even on the 2023 team (2024 draft).  (This is not to say we didn't have great players or anything like that.)

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5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Single game outcomes with a QB that isn't that good matters a ton given they touch the ball every single offensive snap. Each of those games the QB opposite of him outplayed him. Will Howard was a better QB than Quinn Ewers was in 2024 just as Penix Jr was a better QB than Quinn was in 2023. Quinn in 2023 is better QB than Quinn 2024.

So you are saying the QB is directly responsible for the outcome of a football game?
 

That is beyond stupid.

Yes the QB is very important obviously but not the single reason a TEAM wins or loses.

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Just now, jimmyjazz said:

I have no interest in digging further, and I'm sure there are other examples on other talented teams, but Matthew Golden and Andrew Mukuba weren't even on the 2023 team (2024 draft).  (This is not to say we didn't have great players or anything like that.)

2024 team is much better than 2023 team but we held back by a QB who clearly regressed which is proven by the analytics and is objectively true. 

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3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Being the 13th QB drafted in the 7th round just proves all the "haters" were correct in their assessments. Especially when you couple that with all the pre draft scouting profiles that outlined pretty much every single complaint this thread has been filled with by the "haters". Seems like the "haters" were correct in their real time assessment of Ewers and the people hard coping right now are the QAnon(QuinnAnon) posters trying to grasp at any semblance of hope they can at a guy who was above average to good(in a handful of games at least). Quinn and his team should be thankful for Sark because according to the GM of the Dolphins Sark is the reason they even drafted him and if not for that he would have went undrafted.

Oh not this shit again.

The NFL has missed more on QB’s than any other position in history.

Look it up.

Tom Brady was picked in the same round as Quinn.

Where he was drafted does not make a shit.

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I have no interest in digging further, and I'm sure there are other examples on other talented teams, but Matthew Golden and Andrew Mukuba weren't even on the 2023 team (2024 draft).  (This is not to say we didn't have great players or anything like that.)

True. Both '24 and '25 Texas are on the list and both '24 UW and '25 tOSU are on the list. Know who isn't? '25 UW and '24 tOSU. Neither made the playoffs in those years.

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2 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

So you are saying the QB is directly responsible for the outcome of a football game?
 

That is beyond stupid.

Yes the QB is very important obviously but not the single reason a TEAM wins or loses.

QB has the biggest effect on game outcomes than any other position. Offensive production and generating points also effects opponents offense, our defense, and special teams decisions. If a QB plays great like Quinn against Michigan and Alabama vs Ohio St or Washington we easily win those games. But instead he played average at best in both and we lost. 

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4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I have no interest in digging further, and I'm sure there are other examples on other talented teams, but Matthew Golden and Andrew Mukuba weren't even on the 2023 team (2024 draft).  (This is not to say we didn't have great players or anything like that.)

Howard, Judkins, Downs (not drafted yet) were not original OSU guys.

Penix, the Tech WR were transfers.

 

All the top teams will have those transfers so it can be a little misleading.

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34 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Is this a bad thing? I don't drink apple cider vinegar, but I can see someone doing that for allergies or to clear their sinuses. I did not realize it was crazy and/or politically oriented behavior. 

 

I am not really certain, I interpreted it as a snake-oil comment. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Oh not this shit again.

The NFL has missed more on QB’s than any other position in history.

Look it up.

Tom Brady was picked in the same round as Quinn.

Where he was drafted does not make a shit.

You sound like retarded Mel Kiper during the NFL draft  with Shedeur except Quinn is your Shedeur. 

 

I love how you harp on draft position as the sole takeaway and don't even address all the scouting reports that are objective regarding Quinn. 

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it’s always funny to me how when the running back goes for 3 ypc, or when the OL can’t block, or when the wr can’t catch, or when the db can’t cover, or the lb can’t tackle, that absolutely nobody has an issue with calling them out for it. it’s 100% unanimous that the guy is a weak link who needs to either do better or be replaced.

but when the qb has zero pocket presence, constantly self sacks, has zero zip on his passes, is inaccurate, has happy feet, has to get rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds, is zero threat to run, throws off his back foot, has zero moxie, and struggles to even get first downs against crappy defenses while being surrounded by superior talent- well then anyone who criticizes that guy is just a miserable, piece of shit hater. 

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Quinn's problems begin and end with his inability to hit the deep back breaker passes.  He misses all of them.  Everywhere else he's actually great.  Go back and watch the film.  He wasn't even in the neighborhood on deep posts.

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52 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Let's take a look at the two teams that knocked us out of the playoffs:

UW 2024:  10 drafted (3 in the 1st round)

Ohio State 2025:  14 drafted (4 in the 1st round)

 

Texas 2024:  11 drafted (2 in the 1st round)

Texas 2025:  12 drafted (3 in the 1st round)

 

For those not keeping score at home, that's 24-23 picks (opponents v Texas) and 7-5 1st round picks.  We were in pretty high cotton in those games.

I’m taking this a step further.

You can’t win with a singular class very easily.  It’s a pain to add and subtract, but here we go.

The two year running total for Texas is 25 guys drafted.  Take away Mukuba, Golden add back Crawford gets you to 24.  For UW, you have 11.  That is a significant disparity.  Beyond that, I would offset Hill with Brailsford so participants would be a wash, sorta.

OSU, Texas is tbd.  We have Downs and Smith for OSU.  Hill and Simmons for us.  Obviously there will be many others drafted from the 2025 team.

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1 minute ago, Had Enough said:

The two year running total for Texas is 25 guys drafted.

It's nitpicking, but it's actually 23. 12 last year and 11 the year before. Generally the playoff teams, not just the champ, have had a ton drafted.

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4 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

It's nitpicking, but it's actually 23. 12 last year and 11 the year before. Generally the playoff teams, not just the champ, have had a ton drafted.

Well some of us can add better than others.

I would imagine it’ll be that way moving forward with the 4 finalists getting a lot drafted including a number of transfers.  I’d guess we’ll be around double digits next year.

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1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

we probably make the championship game if the D doesn't allow a 75 yard screen pass untouched for a TD with 10 second left in the half.

we were only in the semi because our O bailed out our D who couldn't stop one guy in the 4th quarter against ASU and our K choked.

that is not true. Texas beats ASU in regulation without that interception. Offense scored 17 pts in regulation. The offense was bad most of that game.. 

After the opening TD drive (77 yards)

Drive 2: 3 plays -2 yards

Drive 3: 13 plays 72 yards

Drive 4: 3 plays 5 yards

Drive 5: 3 plays -3 yards

Drive 6: 1 play -2 yards Safety

Drive 7L 13 pays 76 yards TD

Drive 8: 2 plays Int

Drive: 9 35 yards missed FG

5 of the 9 drives in regulation were 3 or less plays, that is gross. 

They gave up 2 pts directly on the sack and game changing interception on 2nd and 4 that led to a TD. 

 

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28 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You sound like retarded Mel Kiper during the NFL draft  with Shedeur except Quinn is your Shedeur. 

 

I love how you harp on draft position as the sole takeaway and don't even address all the scouting reports that are objective regarding Quinn. 

You are the one harping on his draft position.

It does not make a shit.

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Just now, Steamboat1874 said:

You are the one harping on his draft position.

It does not make a shit.

So you think had Quinn played better this season and played better in the playoffs that would not have affected his draft position? That's certainly a choice.

Posted
40 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Oh not this shit again.

The NFL has missed more on QB’s than any other position in history.

Look it up.

Tom Brady was picked in the same round as Quinn.

Where he was drafted does not make a shit.

Yeah, I'm sure if he was drafted first round you fuckers would definitely keep that "NFL doesn't know wtf they are doing" energy.

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On 5/5/2025 at 10:11 PM, Had Enough said:

Ewers was 97th in the country in adjusted completion percentage in 2024 in the intermediate range.

Shough, Dart, Sanders and Ward were top 10.  Gabriel 11th.  Rourke and Howard  were top 25.  Milroe tied for 31st.

Ewers was 16th in 2023.  Ward, Dart and Beck were slightly higher.

In 2022, Ewers was 108th in adjusted completion percentage.

On the deep ball, he was 98th in 2022,  95th in 2023, and 47th in 2024.

 

Throw a catchable ball is the first priority.  There is nothing in the numbers to indicate he’s “very accurate” in that range.  There’s certainly enough in the data to question whether he’s more accurate than those selected before him.  There was one year in which it looked as though he could be something at it.

The NFL has weighed in on the supporting cast to say these guys are playmakers and can get open.

Shough and Dart combined is Shart.  That's all I got.  That's the best thing in this entire thread. 

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10 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So you think had Quinn played better this season and played better in the playoffs that would not have affected his draft position? That's certainly a choice.

Yeppers.  What drove me to excessive drinking was QE making the same damn mistakes game after game.  Maybe that's on the staff being too coddling.  Maybe an NFL staff will fix that shit over the summer.  I hope they do, as I have no animosity for the kid, I jut wanted to see repetitive mistakes improve.  

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49 minutes ago, Derka said:

the gaslighting is when *you* whine about me saying i was right and then tell *me* that i am the one with a victim complex. never heard of a guy dunking all over a couple dozen people while also being a victim. that’s a new one.

its also when *y’all* spend page after page after page raging all over my football takes and being combative and insulting in every single post you make, only to then turn around and say, “derka is such a combative pos, he always does this.”

you might be able to gaslight your own self into believing that shit, but not me. 

1.  Still waiting on those receipts you claim to have.  

2. You seem to view people who have different opinions than you do as a collective instead of separating posters.  I know you have used multiple account in the past, I never could understand why anyone would put in that much effort, but maybe you are projecting or confusing us?  

3. You seem entirely unwilling or incapable of making a coherent argument or using terms correctly.  Words have meaning and those meanings are flexible in a punctuated time frame.  Objective and subjective are different things.  I presented a few quantitative stats to demonstrate my belief, and a few more to support it.   You pointed to who won popularity contests and awards.  VY doesn't have a Heisman and Bush does.  VY showed everyone that fucking day who was the dominant player on CFB and it wasn't the guys with popularity trophies.  

4. You keep trying to compare Colt to Quinn for some reason as if Colt is the only standard for successful QB play.  In your oddest reactive statement yet, you mention QE's offense losing its top RBs during the preseason/season were a blight on his overall performance, but that Colt's offense which ran RB by committee not losing theirs was somehow a negative against QE?  Even funnier is how you ignored that the RB that was injured during the season was present for the UGA game and wasn't injured until Clemson.   

5. Since you cherry picked games earlier, I now understand it that if the rushing is good, it is because they are great, but not due to any threat from the QB, but if the rushing is bad, it is because there is no threat from the QB.   The heads I win, tails you lose logic. 

It is clear you cannot actually back up your statement with anything but distractions and outlandish statements or simply false claims of cultish worship with whom despite your declaration of having receipts of, you continue to fail to provide evidence for it.    

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1 hour ago, mwaadeeb said:

That was Penix on fire as much as anything, IMO, just playing totally out of his head, killing us.

Our secondary was an issue all year.  we were concerned about it even before the game started and not just because of Penix.

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1 hour ago, Had Enough said:

If you sack the QB, that’s not a problem.  And actually the LBs got picked some too.

Didn’t that USC score more points  than UW?  Did they win?

 

yes, we could not get to the QB either.  our D was suspect, not bad but suspect.

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18 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Shough and Dart combined is Shart.  That's all I got.  That's the best thing in this entire thread. 

I had not drawn that conclusion.  Kudos to you.

Posted
26 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

that is not true. Texas beats ASU in regulation without that interception. Offense scored 17 pts in regulation. The offense was bad most of that game.. 

After the opening TD drive (77 yards)

Drive 2: 3 plays -2 yards

Drive 3: 13 plays 72 yards

Drive 4: 3 plays 5 yards

Drive 5: 3 plays -3 yards

Drive 6: 1 play -2 yards Safety

Drive 7L 13 pays 76 yards TD

Drive 8: 2 plays Int

Drive: 9 35 yards missed FG

5 of the 9 drives in regulation were 3 or less plays, that is gross. 

They gave up 2 pts directly on the sack and game changing interception on 2nd and 4 that led to a TD. 

 

The INT left ASU with the ball at their own 21.  not good at all but we didn't give them a short field. 3 plays later, including 60 yard pass to skate-boo, TD.

we also win the game in regulation if the D doesn't give up a 4th and 2 on a halfback pass/trick play.

the OL did get manhandled pretty egregiously.  plenty of issues on all sides of the ball that game.

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6 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

yes, we could not get to the QB either.  our D was suspect, not bad but suspect.

It’s just funny, to me anyway, how people react with sports emotion.  I do not recall ever hearing “well, damnit we gave up 38 to USC.”

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1 hour ago, Park Gothic said:

Is this a bad thing? I don't drink apple cider vinegar, but I can see someone doing that for allergies or to clear their sinuses. I did not realize it was crazy and/or politically oriented behavior. 

Anywho, new page so here's a new Quinn gif. Just so we can reminisce about our guy now that he's off to the NFL:

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If y'all remember, this play was actually 4th & goal after we failed to punch it in from the 9 on three running plays. Rojo picked up like 7 yards but Ewers to Worthy was needed to get us the last 2. 

"Ewers said on Monday there was a passing concept to the right and that he had to check the coverage pre-snap to see where the ball was going. Worthy in 1-on-1 coverage is an easy call, and Ewers’ throw is on the money for the go-ahead score."

 

this thread sucks

 

but I gotta say, I loved this whip route by Worthy and wished we saw more of it

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Just now, dcar00 said:

The INT left ASU with the ball at their own 21.  not good at all but we didn't give them a short field. 3 plays later, including 60 yard pass to skate-boo, TD.

we also win the game in regulation if the D doesn't give up a 4th and 2 on a halfback pass/trick play.

the OL did get manhandled pretty egregiously.  plenty of issues on all sides of the ball that game.

It's an interception on a pass that never should have been thrown. It's an inexcusable interception that allowed them to claw back into the game.

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It's an interception on a pass that never should have been thrown. It's an inexcusable interception that allowed them to claw back into the game.

the halfback pass defense on 4th down was completely inexcusable.  never should have happened and allowed ASU to claw back in it.  game is over otherwise.

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1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

the halfback pass defense on 4th down was completely inexcusable.  never should have happened and allowed ASU to claw back in it.  game is over otherwise.

Game is over if Quinn doesn't throw that interception, period. We are up 8 points with ~6 minutes remaining and he throws a floater to a guy in double coverage. Just absolutely stupid throw. Offensive ineptitude kept our defense on the field far longer than they needed to be for that game. We had multiple drives that lasted only a minute including a safety that only took 5 seconds off the clock. We had 6 possessions with under 2 minutes of offense(this does not include the opening touchdown). These drives resulted in punts, turnovers, or a safety. 

 

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On the Colt v Quinn thing.  Colt/Shipley win an NC with both these teams.  Colt could make chicken salad out of chicken shit.  Ewers isn't that kind of QB.

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Game is over if Quinn doesn't throw that interception. Offensive ineptitude kept our defense on the field far longer than they needed to be for that game. We had multiple drives that lasted only a minute including a safety that only took 5 seconds off the clock. 

Game is over if the D doesn't give up a 60 yard halfback pass on 4th down.  oh and game is also over if our kicker can make any reasonable FG.

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1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

Game is over if the D doesn't give up a 60 yard halfback pass on 4th down.  oh and game is also over if our kicker can make any reasonable FG.

Should have never come down to kicker, period so that point is moot. Quinn played like shit most of that game outside of the 1st drive and overtime. Thank god Silas returned that punt for a TD. You continuing to try and blame a defense that was on the field for 37 minutes due to Quinn and offensive ineptitude is laughable. 

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3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Should have never come down to kicker, period so that point is moot. 

It's not moot.  What sort of learning disability do some of you have where you simply cannot understand that there were multiple contributing factors to our bad play?

Some of you idiots probably get mad when a hitter fails to get on base half the time.

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Should have never come down to kicker, period so that point is moot. Quinn played like shit most of that game outside of the 1st drive and overtime. Thank god Silas returned that punt for a TD. You continuing to try and blame a defense that was on the field for 37 minutes due to Quinn and offensive ineptitude is laughable. 

any DC or coach worth his salt is going to say if we are up 24-8 with 10min left and went to OT with ZERO short fields/Defensive TD's is that the D didn't do it's job.

in fact I am sure Sark and PK would say that.  It is laughable that you think otherwise.

we also drove 35 yards and 61 yards in the 4th quarter for FG attempts that were missed.

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12 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Game is over if Quinn doesn't throw that interception, period. We are up 8 points with ~6 minutes remaining and he throws a floater to a guy in double coverage. Just absolutely stupid throw. Offensive ineptitude kept our defense on the field far longer than they needed to be for that game. We had multiple drives that lasted only a minute including a safety that only took 5 seconds off the clock. We had 6 possessions with under 2 minutes of offense(this does not include the opening touchdown). These drives resulted in punts, turnovers, or a safety. 

 

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Good lord.

Which team won the motherfucking game dumbass?
 

If, if, if……

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17 minutes ago, 4th and 5 said:

this thread sucks

 

but I gotta say, I loved this whip route by Worthy and wished we saw more of it

speaking of worthy, this is the same website where a bunch of people were like, “man fuck xavier worthy, i hope that pussy transfers”, and those people didn’t catch 0.00001% of the hell as the people who said stuff like, “quinn ewers footwork and pocket presence are terrible.” 

Posted
43 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

that is not true. Texas beats ASU in regulation without that interception. Offense scored 17 pts in regulation. The offense was bad most of that game.. 

After the opening TD drive (77 yards)

Drive 2: 3 plays -2 yards

Drive 3: 13 plays 72 yards

Drive 4: 3 plays 5 yards

Drive 5: 3 plays -3 yards

Drive 6: 1 play -2 yards Safety

Drive 7L 13 pays 76 yards TD

Drive 8: 2 plays Int

Drive: 9 35 yards missed FG

5 of the 9 drives in regulation were 3 or less plays, that is gross. 

They gave up 2 pts directly on the sack and game changing interception on 2nd and 4 that led to a TD. 

 

the defense was gassed, we barely had the ball in the first half, they did their part

I was at this game....one minute we were raising hell, high fiving, the next minute curled up in a fetal position on the ground crying, and then back again

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1 minute ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Good lord.

Which team won the motherfucking game dumbass?

the one with the best defense in america and a qb that can’t move the chains.

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