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6 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Yes Colt was a much better QB than Quinn.  is that your point?

My point is Quinn is the reason we don't have a national title considering the ~30 NFL draft picks he's played with. You're an absolute dipshit if you don't believe that better QB play results in that.

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4 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

My god are you that stupid.

We were running all over their ass early on.

There was no reason to throw much.

we scored 7 points in the second half, and that lone scoring drive was mostly led by tre wisner’s feet and matthew gilden’s hands. wisner did the bulk of the work including converting a 4th down, and then golden had to slow down and jump towards the boundary to haul in a pass from QE on 3rd and 10. 

that’s every scoring drive that quinn “led” us to in that second half. so again- you give QE all if the credit for every win the last two years, but none of the blame when his team failed to move the ball.

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12 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Great post.

If you have any doubts about how the lack of a rushing game can affect the performance of a QB look no further than John Elway.

Great QB who could not win a championship without Terrell Davis running the ball.

I’m going to throw in a no one gives a shit about your Al Bundy perception of football.  But it does impact my perspective.  I played QB in the high school.  Also started two ways the entirety of that time.  Multiple sports.  Successes.  Failures.  At all of it.

My school is a bit unique.  Small but mid-sized classification.  A guy has started in the NFL, albeit briefly.  There have been record setter, players of the year.  You don’t just see the player, but you know a bit about their teammates, their families, their teammates families, etc.

What you say is true.  Here is what is also true.  Those offensive players of the year, they had the best supporting casts, the best offensive system and obviously added their skill set.  The guy that did the most beyond high school had a mediocre record from what I recall.  The overall environment was conducive to success or less conducive to success if you will.

The environment is incredibly important and more so to the QB than any other position.  At the University of Texas it’s never been more conducive to team and QB success than the past two years.  In both cases, there are and will be comparisons, but it’s far more complex as to how the final outcome is derived.

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12 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

He also led Texas to the following records assfuck.

2022 - 11-3

2023 - 12-2 Big XII Championship - Football final four

2024 - 12-3 SEC best regular season record SEC Championship game (OT loss thanks o-line) Football final four and the only team that went back to back

Yes he did not win a national championship but Jesus fucking Christ what more do you want?
Guy was a fucking Longhorn legend and if you are going to shit on great Texas players that did not win a national championship the list is very long.

Blaming that on Quinn is fucking beyond stupid.

we probably make the championship game if the D doesn't allow a 75 yard screen pass untouched for a TD with 10 second left in the half.

we were only in the semi because our O bailed out our D who couldn't stop one guy in the 4th quarter against ASU and our K choked.

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29 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Is this the gaslighting you claimed to be a victim of? 

the gaslighting is when *you* whine about me saying i was right and then tell *me* that i am the one with a victim complex. never heard of a guy dunking all over a couple dozen people while also being a victim. that’s a new one.

its also when *y’all* spend page after page after page raging all over my football takes and being combative and insulting in every single post you make, only to then turn around and say, “derka is such a combative pos, he always does this.”

you might be able to gaslight your own self into believing that shit, but not me. 

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5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

My point is Quinn is the reason we don't have a national title considering the ~30 NFL draft picks he's played with. You're an absolute dipshit if you don't believe that better QB play results in that.

everyone on this board knows you are a dumbass.  Sark is the reason we don't have a national title if you think Quinn is the reason.

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25 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Did you actually watch any of those games at all?


Quinn Ewers so so ineffective vs Kentucky we literally gave up trying to pass.

Quinn is the literal reason why we didn't shut the Aggies out because he threw a pick 6. 

 

Really?

Quinn was 20-31 for over 190 yards with two TD’s and no picks with one sack.

He was so ineffective.

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3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

My point is Quinn is the reason we don't have a national title considering the ~30 NFL draft picks he's played with.

Let's take a look at the two teams that knocked us out of the playoffs:

UW 2024:  10 drafted (3 in the 1st round)

Ohio State 2025:  14 drafted (4 in the 1st round)

 

Texas 2024:  11 drafted (2 in the 1st round)

Texas 2025:  12 drafted (3 in the 1st round)

 

For those not keeping score at home, that's 24-23 picks (opponents v Texas) and 7-5 1st round picks.  We were in pretty high cotton in those games.

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37 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Is this the gaslighting you claimed to be a victim of?  Because you claimed that people worship QE, you claimed they were "zealots" akin to MAGA types and people who chug apple cider vinegar.  Those are not exactly kind statements and comparisons.   And when presented with objective material you just double down instead of refute the material or explain how my interpretation is incorrect.  Which it can be.  

Is this a bad thing? I don't drink apple cider vinegar, but I can see someone doing that for allergies or to clear their sinuses. I did not realize it was crazy and/or politically oriented behavior. 

Anywho, new page so here's a new Quinn gif. Just so we can reminisce about our guy now that he's off to the NFL:

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If y'all remember, this play was actually 4th & goal after we failed to punch it in from the 9 on three running plays. Rojo picked up like 7 yards but Ewers to Worthy was needed to get us the last 2. 

"Ewers said on Monday there was a passing concept to the right and that he had to check the coverage pre-snap to see where the ball was going. Worthy in 1-on-1 coverage is an easy call, and Ewers’ throw is on the money for the go-ahead score."

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2 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Is this a bad thing? I don't drink apple cider vinegar, but I can see someone doing that for allergies or to clear their sinuses. I did not realize it was crazy and/or politically oriented behavior. 

Anywho, new page so here's a new Quinn gif. Just so we can reminisce about our guy now that he's off to the NFL:

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If y'all remember, this play was actually 4th & goal after we failed to punch it in from the 9 on three running plays. Rojo picked up like 7 yards but Ewers to Worthy was needed to get us the last 2. 

"Ewers said on Monday there was a passing concept to the right and that he had to check the coverage pre-snap to see where the ball was going. Worthy in 1-on-1 coverage is an easy call, and Ewers’ throw is on the money for the go-ahead score."

None of his good throws are allowed to be mentioned without some sort of caveat according to a few posters here so get ready.

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1 minute ago, Steamboat1874 said:

None of his good throws are allowed to be mentioned without some sort of caveat according to a few posters here so get ready.

"worthy was wide open, my grandmama could have made that throw" - some surly poster

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14 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

Pro Football Focus is a company. Wiki: "PFF is criticized by the analytics community regarding the accuracy and veracity of its ratings. In contrast to the purely quantitative ratings released by sources such as Football Outsiders, TeamRankings, and numberFire, PFF uses qualitative and opinion-based grading as the root of its 0–100 Player Grades – not its advanced statistics. As such, the 0–100 Player Grades are not truly quantitative and could be seen as being prone to bias, poor sample sizing, or other issues."

Still, you're right. It's a metric saying QE was subpar (last year). But you're hanging your whole argument on that and where GMs drafted him and ignoring every traditional statistic (like passing and winning percentage), and treating your opinion as fact. Can't you see that?

Traditional stats alone are not worth much.  On the University of Texas top 10 single game passing lists for yards and TDs, Casey Thompson shows up as much or more than Quinn.  Throwing to non-drafted WRs, a TE we kicked out, a younger Worthy.  Are you willing to place them on the same level?

Winning percentage?  What’s our win percentage with and without Ewers the past 3 years?  I think the one loss without him represents our highest offensive scoring output in a loss in that time.

DFEI/OFEI are quantitative.  Our defense is top 10 3 years running.  Our offense is not.  How does one allocate the defenses share of win percentage?

 

I am largely arguing to argue.  But y’all know derks and how that goes.  I have no problem with him or y’all arguing with him.  It adds to my entertainment dollar.  So keep it up.

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19 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

we probably make the championship game if the D doesn't allow a 75 yard screen pass untouched for a TD with 10 second left in the half.

we were only in the semi because our O bailed out our D who couldn't stop one guy in the 4th quarter against ASU and our K choked.

This team failed quinn

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4 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

None of his good throws are allowed to be mentioned without some sort of caveat according to a few posters here so get ready.

I've posted a Quinn gif on each of the last three pages and everyone was perfectly cordial. 

You need to understand that some of the people in this thread aren't quite right in the head, and by interacting with them (either to agree or disagree) you make things worse.  

There's no good way to poke a hornets nest, so don't bother. 

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16 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Let's take a look at the two teams that knocked us out of the playoffs:

UW 2024:  10 drafted (3 in the 1st round)

Ohio State 2025:  14 drafted (4 in the 1st round)

 

Texas 2024:  11 drafted (2 in the 1st round)

Texas 2025:  12 drafted (3 in the 1st round)

 

For those not keeping score at home, that's 24-23 picks (opponents v Texas) and 7-5 1st round picks.  We were in pretty high cotton in those games.

We have the most players drafted of any team the past two years, objective fact

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

We have the most players drafted of any team the past two years, objective fact

Just like the facts I posted.  My point stands, we got beat by extremely talented teams.  Disagree?

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

We have the most players drafted of any team the past two years, objective fact

Between OSU, UW, and UT, we're the only team to make the CFP semis the past two years. So that tracks. 

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Just now, Im_smarter_then_you said:

This team failed quinn

not really.  This team was a case of "some failure to go around".  the D was championship level save a very few WTF's, O was certainly good enough, ST was no bueno basically.

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Better QB play in both of those games, we win plain and simple. 

our DB's could not stop UW.  they were a disaster.

Posted
17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Let's take a look at the two teams that knocked us out of the playoffs:

UW 2024:  10 drafted (3 in the 1st round)

Ohio State 2025:  14 drafted (4 in the 1st round)

 

Texas 2024:  11 drafted (2 in the 1st round)

Texas 2025:  12 drafted (3 in the 1st round)

 

For those not keeping score at home, that's 24-23 picks (opponents v Texas) and 7-5 1st round picks.  We were in pretty high cotton in those games.

Yo JJ.  Of those 7 1st round picks from our opponents, how many were offensive and defensive?

6 offensive guys, 1 defensive guy.

On our side, we had 3 O guys and 2 D guys.

That UW team was pretty heavily weighted to offense.

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Just now, dcar00 said:

our DB's could not stop UW.  they were a disaster.

That was Penix on fire as much as anything, IMO, just playing totally out of his head, killing us.

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2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

We have the most players drafted of any team the past two years, objective fact

And that does not mean shit as far as a single game outcome is concerned.

Way too many variables.

Pretty sure you can find plenty of college football games where a team with a bunch of draft picks loses to a a team with very few or even none.

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1 minute ago, Had Enough said:

Yo JJ.  Of those 7 1st round picks from our opponents, how many were offensive and defensive?

6 offensive guys, 1 defensive guy.

On our side, we had 3 O guys and 2 D guys.

That UW team was pretty heavily weighted to offense.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?  We got beat by two very talented teams.  It takes 22 guys (well, 24+) not 1 guy.  This thread is fucking stupid.

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5 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

our DB's could not stop UW.  they were a disaster.

If you sack the QB, that’s not a problem.  And actually the LBs got picked some too.

Didn’t that USC score more points  than UW?  Did they win?

 

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9 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

And that does not mean shit as far as a single game outcome is concerned.

Way too many variables.

Pretty sure you can find plenty of college football games where a team with a bunch of draft picks loses to a a team with very few or even none.

Single game outcomes with a QB that isn't that good matters a ton given they touch the ball every single offensive snap. Each of those games the QB opposite of him outplayed him. Will Howard was a better QB than Quinn Ewers was in 2024 just as Penix Jr was a better QB than Quinn was in 2023. Quinn in 2023 is better QB than Quinn 2024.

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It is unconditionally true that people would have been pissed if Quinn went as late as he did coming out after last year. 

It is also unconditionally true that he came back in 2024 and 1) did not win a conference championship and 2) did not advance to the NCG/Win the NCG 

When you combine those things and we don't have the 2025 results yet (what if Arch actually does suck? and Texas misses the playoffs and goes 8-4?) we are left with Quinn's final impression being worse in almost every way than if he just left in 2024. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Nice dodge.

Story of this thread. Sure, most over two years but not most in either year and both teams that beat us had a ton of players drafted. Only 36 teams have ever had double-digit draftees and both teams are on that list.

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4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?  We got beat by two very talented teams.  It takes 22 guys (well, 24+) not 1 guy.  This thread is fucking stupid.

It’s the Ewers thread.  Celebrating his successes and failures.  You are correct.  All very talented teams.

There was considerable thrashing of the D versus UW.  I mean on the message boards.  The Ds job was significantly more difficult than the O.  That UW team was unbalanced relative to the others.  There is little support to say the UW defense had great talent.

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Being the 13th QB drafted in the 7th round just proves all the "haters" were correct in their assessments. Especially when you couple that with all the pre draft scouting profiles that outlined pretty much every single complaint this thread has been filled with by the "haters". Seems like the "haters" were correct in their real time assessment of Ewers and the people hard coping right now are the QAnon(QuinnAnon) posters trying to grasp at any semblance of hope they can at a guy who was above average to good(in a handful of games at least). Quinn and his team should be thankful for Sark because according to the GM of the Dolphins Sark is the reason they even drafted him and if not for that he would have went undrafted.

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4 minutes ago, AnotherLawyer said:

Story of this thread. Sure, most over two years but not most in either year and both teams that beat us had a ton of players drafted. Only 36 teams have ever had double-digit draftees and both teams are on that list.

I have no interest in digging further, and I'm sure there are other examples on other talented teams, but Matthew Golden and Andrew Mukuba weren't even on the 2023 team (2024 draft).  (This is not to say we didn't have great players or anything like that.)

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5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Single game outcomes with a QB that isn't that good matters a ton given they touch the ball every single offensive snap. Each of those games the QB opposite of him outplayed him. Will Howard was a better QB than Quinn Ewers was in 2024 just as Penix Jr was a better QB than Quinn was in 2023. Quinn in 2023 is better QB than Quinn 2024.

So you are saying the QB is directly responsible for the outcome of a football game?
 

That is beyond stupid.

Yes the QB is very important obviously but not the single reason a TEAM wins or loses.

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Just now, jimmyjazz said:

I have no interest in digging further, and I'm sure there are other examples on other talented teams, but Matthew Golden and Andrew Mukuba weren't even on the 2023 team (2024 draft).  (This is not to say we didn't have great players or anything like that.)

2024 team is much better than 2023 team but we held back by a QB who clearly regressed which is proven by the analytics and is objectively true. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Being the 13th QB drafted in the 7th round just proves all the "haters" were correct in their assessments. Especially when you couple that with all the pre draft scouting profiles that outlined pretty much every single complaint this thread has been filled with by the "haters". Seems like the "haters" were correct in their real time assessment of Ewers and the people hard coping right now are the QAnon(QuinnAnon) posters trying to grasp at any semblance of hope they can at a guy who was above average to good(in a handful of games at least). Quinn and his team should be thankful for Sark because according to the GM of the Dolphins Sark is the reason they even drafted him and if not for that he would have went undrafted.

Oh not this shit again.

The NFL has missed more on QB’s than any other position in history.

Look it up.

Tom Brady was picked in the same round as Quinn.

Where he was drafted does not make a shit.

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1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I have no interest in digging further, and I'm sure there are other examples on other talented teams, but Matthew Golden and Andrew Mukuba weren't even on the 2023 team (2024 draft).  (This is not to say we didn't have great players or anything like that.)

True. Both '24 and '25 Texas are on the list and both '24 UW and '25 tOSU are on the list. Know who isn't? '25 UW and '24 tOSU. Neither made the playoffs in those years.

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2 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

So you are saying the QB is directly responsible for the outcome of a football game?
 

That is beyond stupid.

Yes the QB is very important obviously but not the single reason a TEAM wins or loses.

QB has the biggest effect on game outcomes than any other position. Offensive production and generating points also effects opponents offense, our defense, and special teams decisions. If a QB plays great like Quinn against Michigan and Alabama vs Ohio St or Washington we easily win those games. But instead he played average at best in both and we lost. 

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4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I have no interest in digging further, and I'm sure there are other examples on other talented teams, but Matthew Golden and Andrew Mukuba weren't even on the 2023 team (2024 draft).  (This is not to say we didn't have great players or anything like that.)

Howard, Judkins, Downs (not drafted yet) were not original OSU guys.

Penix, the Tech WR were transfers.

 

All the top teams will have those transfers so it can be a little misleading.

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34 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Is this a bad thing? I don't drink apple cider vinegar, but I can see someone doing that for allergies or to clear their sinuses. I did not realize it was crazy and/or politically oriented behavior. 

 

I am not really certain, I interpreted it as a snake-oil comment. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Oh not this shit again.

The NFL has missed more on QB’s than any other position in history.

Look it up.

Tom Brady was picked in the same round as Quinn.

Where he was drafted does not make a shit.

You sound like retarded Mel Kiper during the NFL draft  with Shedeur except Quinn is your Shedeur. 

 

I love how you harp on draft position as the sole takeaway and don't even address all the scouting reports that are objective regarding Quinn. 

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it’s always funny to me how when the running back goes for 3 ypc, or when the OL can’t block, or when the wr can’t catch, or when the db can’t cover, or the lb can’t tackle, that absolutely nobody has an issue with calling them out for it. it’s 100% unanimous that the guy is a weak link who needs to either do better or be replaced.

but when the qb has zero pocket presence, constantly self sacks, has zero zip on his passes, is inaccurate, has happy feet, has to get rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds, is zero threat to run, throws off his back foot, has zero moxie, and struggles to even get first downs against crappy defenses while being surrounded by superior talent- well then anyone who criticizes that guy is just a miserable, piece of shit hater. 

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Quinn's problems begin and end with his inability to hit the deep back breaker passes.  He misses all of them.  Everywhere else he's actually great.  Go back and watch the film.  He wasn't even in the neighborhood on deep posts.

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52 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Let's take a look at the two teams that knocked us out of the playoffs:

UW 2024:  10 drafted (3 in the 1st round)

Ohio State 2025:  14 drafted (4 in the 1st round)

 

Texas 2024:  11 drafted (2 in the 1st round)

Texas 2025:  12 drafted (3 in the 1st round)

 

For those not keeping score at home, that's 24-23 picks (opponents v Texas) and 7-5 1st round picks.  We were in pretty high cotton in those games.

I’m taking this a step further.

You can’t win with a singular class very easily.  It’s a pain to add and subtract, but here we go.

The two year running total for Texas is 25 guys drafted.  Take away Mukuba, Golden add back Crawford gets you to 24.  For UW, you have 11.  That is a significant disparity.  Beyond that, I would offset Hill with Brailsford so participants would be a wash, sorta.

OSU, Texas is tbd.  We have Downs and Smith for OSU.  Hill and Simmons for us.  Obviously there will be many others drafted from the 2025 team.

Posted
1 minute ago, Had Enough said:

The two year running total for Texas is 25 guys drafted.

It's nitpicking, but it's actually 23. 12 last year and 11 the year before. Generally the playoff teams, not just the champ, have had a ton drafted.

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