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53 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Looking at raw stats and rankings amongst UT QB's all time is ignorant way to look at it given that until Colt we were a predominantly run oriented program. 

yeah i love that the argument that he wasn’t holding his team back had nothing to do with his play compared to his own teammates, but rather his overall career passing yards compared to former players at a school that adopted the forward pass about a week ago, and whose greatest OC of all time is greg davis. yeah, that totally proves that quinn wasn’t the weak link in the last two teams.

for these people, quinn will always be the one who “led” us to the playoffs, but then they’ll turn around and absolve him of all responsibility for our offensive futility and inability to even move the chains, forget scoring points on countless second half drives last season. 

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weird how we had the #1 defense in the country, a first round wr, a highly touted TE draft pick, an offensive line that was nominated for OL of the year, led by the lombardi and outland trophy winner, and an rb who is currently third favorite to win OROY, and yet we couldn’t even move the damn chains in the second half of our sec schedule. you’d think that a QB who “leads” his team to back to back playoff semifinals could move the chains against a terrible arkansas team that was pulling kids from the stands and starting them at DB, but nope- 172 yards passing and 4-15 on 3rd down vs the patchwork arkansas defense. wasn’t much better vs a&m, kentucky, georgia, or ASU. but yeah nivek is rught- Quinn Ewers was totally not the weak link in the chain. give me a break.

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43 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

What are you talking about “run oriented” ?

Colt threw over 200 more passes in his last three years here than Quinn did in his three.

If only Quinn could've played for Greg Davis... 

This is proof positive that Sark needs an OC.

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46 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

What are you talking about “run oriented” ?

Colt threw over 200 more passes in his last three years here than Quinn did in his three.

first off, he said “until colt”, and second, our entire program was built on running the ball for decades. we were essentially the last major program to make downfield passing a priority, and when we did start throwing the ball we had greg davis throwing the ball sideways to sloan thomas while roy williams blocked downfield. so not only does comparing QE to the likes of rick mcivor, james brown, and peter gardere not have anything to do with quinn ewers holding back the 2023 and 2024 Texas Longhorns, it’s also not the flex that nivek thinks it is.

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9 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I think you can make the argument and the advanced analytics point to it that he was objectively holding back the offense in 2024. Also you throw in that he had 17 turnovers this season it definitely adds to the objectivity that he was holding the offense back in addition to all the self sacks and TWP's. Looking at raw stats and rankings amongst UT QB's all time is ignorant way to look at it given that until Colt we were a predominantly run oriented program. 

The good comes with the bad.  Had he been better at avoiding those mistakes (and injuries and missed time) his numbers would be higher.  Looking at the overall performance is objective.    TWP is highly subjective.  Sacks are also incomplete, they can be from the QB holding on too long or running into it or it could be a wiffed block, something else?   Unless you know the reason, play, situation, and timing of each, this is difficult to completely blame on the QB, especially if the guy is limited by injury.  

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Derka said:

yeah i love that the argument that he wasn’t holding his team back had nothing to do with his play compared to his own teammates, but rather his overall career passing yards compared to former players at a school that adopted the forward pass about a week ago, and whose greatest OC of all time is greg davis. yeah, that totally proves that quinn wasn’t the weak link in the last two teams.

for these people, quinn will always be the one who “led” us to the playoffs, but then they’ll turn around and absolve him of all responsibility for our offensive futility and inability to even move the chains, forget scoring points on countless second half drives last season. 

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weird how we had the #1 defense in the country, a first round wr, a highly touted TE draft pick, an offensive line that was nominated for OL of the year, led by the lombardi and outland trophy winner, and an rb who is currently third favorite to win OROY, and yet we couldn’t even move the damn chains in the second half of our sec schedule. you’d think that a QB who “leads” his team to back to back playoff semifinals could move the chains against a terrible arkansas team that was pulling kids from the stands and starting them at DB, but nope- 172 yards passing and 4-15 on 3rd down vs the patchwork arkansas defense. wasn’t much better vs a&m, kentucky, georgia, or ASU. but yeah nivek is rught- Quinn Ewers was totally not the weak link in the chain. give me a break.

Derka

Please watch the interview with Sark by Josh Patel and skip to the part in the last 10 minutes or so when they talk about Quinn.

All of you criticizing Quinn should watch this.

Criticism of Quinn’s on field performance is fine but somehow none of you critics ever mention his great plays.

Arizona State game comes to mind when he changed the play on fourth down and threw a perfect TD pass to save our season.

This is after our vaunted defense you keep talking about totally shit the bed in the second half of the game.

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https://www.texasfootball.com/records/?ref=subnav
 

This is a link to Texas high school passing records.  In basically every category, the player was from a 2000 season or later.

Lukar from 1998 Stephenville was at the back end of a single season yardage list.  Kirk Saul from 1986 was last on the list in single game yardage.

That’s the stats element.  If you take it to the NFL level for Texas high school bred QBs, that list from the 80s and 90s will pare in comparison to the past decade/20 years.

Texas was late to the 7 on 7 party.  Not sure when summer conditioning programs were allowed but that’s impactful.  The offensive systems/coaching are massive changes.

Any stats compiling discussion regarding QBs is only about a 20-25 year history.

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33 minutes ago, Derka said:

yeah i love that the argument that he wasn’t holding his team back had nothing to do with his play compared to his own teammates, but rather his overall career passing yards compared to former players at a school that adopted the forward pass about a week ago, and whose greatest OC of all time is greg davis. yeah, that totally proves that quinn wasn’t the weak link in the last two teams.

for these people, quinn will always be the one who “led” us to the playoffs, but then they’ll turn around and absolve him of all responsibility for our offensive futility and inability to even move the chains, forget scoring points on countless second half drives last season. 

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weird how we had the #1 defense in the country, a first round wr, a highly touted TE draft pick, an offensive line that was nominated for OL of the year, led by the lombardi and outland trophy winner, and an rb who is currently third favorite to win OROY, and yet we couldn’t even move the damn chains in the second half of our sec schedule. you’d think that a QB who “leads” his team to back to back playoff semifinals could move the chains against a terrible arkansas team that was pulling kids from the stands and starting them at DB, but nope- 172 yards passing and 4-15 on 3rd down vs the patchwork arkansas defense. wasn’t much better vs a&m, kentucky, georgia, or ASU. but yeah nivek is rught- Quinn Ewers was totally not the weak link in the chain. give me a break.

Idk how you can look at those four games and say Quinn is great.   But you know what, the people that matter have spoken. He was the 13th Qb taken for a reason   He looked great against the waterboys at UF

 

i suggest we all move forward and root for Arch but I can already sense some anti Arch sentiment brewing.  

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10 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Arizona State game comes to mind when he changed the play on fourth down and threw a perfect TD pass to save our season.

if bert auburn hits a chip shot fg to win that game in regulation then that game ends up as a hug black mark against QE. he was so poor during the four quarters where he didn’t get to start every drive on the opposing 25 yard line where sark could draw up his best TD plays from the word ‘go’. that game is not one you want to bring up in defense of quinn ewers. 

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2 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Idk how you can look at those four games and say Quinn is great.   But you know what, the people that matter have spoken. He was the 13th Qb taken for a reason   He looked great against the waterboys at UF

 

i suggest we all move forward and root for Arch but I can already sense some anti Arch sentiment brewing.  

All I will say is go ahead and hate on Quinn if you feel like it and it is very aggy of you.

Guy did more for this program than you morons will ever know.

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

All I will say is go ahead and hate on Quinn if you feel like it and it is very aggy of you.

Guy did more for this program than you morons will ever know.

 

 

 

 

 

Sweet comeback grampa.  Please thank Quinn for his service

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3 minutes ago, Derka said:

if bert auburn hits a chip shot fg to win that game in regulation then that game ends up as a hug black mark against QE. he was so poor during the four quarters where he didn’t get to start every drive on the opposing 25 yard line where sark could draw up his best TD plays from the word ‘go’. that game is not one you want to bring up in defense of quinn ewers. 

My god you are an insufferable prick.

The defense in the second half of that game sucked fucking ass and Quinn bailed our ass out.

If you cannot see that you are a fucking moron.

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Just now, Steamboat1874 said:

All I will say is go ahead and hate on Quinn if you feel like it and it is very aggy of you.

dude- giving fair criticisms of quinn ewers is not hating on him. this is the fundamental misunderstanding that leads to all of this nonsense. anyone who speaks honestly about quinn is accused of hating him. it’s nonsense. this mind frame plagues this fan base and this forum, and it’s the genesis of every single fight and thread derailment. calling a spade a spade is not hat, it’s reality.

and FTR, *you* and your people are being very aggy. you’re taking an overhyped, mediocre player, and because he wears your teams jersey you’re out here worshipping him, on a crusade to exalt him, and reacting emotionally every time someone points out his factual flaws and shortcomings. that is what aggies do, and that is what you QE zealots have been doing for years.

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Just now, Steamboat1874 said:

My god you are an insufferable prick.

The defense in the second half of that game sucked fucking ass and Quinn bailed our ass out.

If you cannot see that you are a fucking moron.

there goes derka, always insulting people and making it personal. guy can never disagree with anyone without just sticking to football, he always has to take it there. why does he keep doing this to us?!?!?!?!

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1 minute ago, Derka said:

dude- giving fair criticisms of quinn ewers is not hating on him. this is the fundamental misunderstanding that leads to all of this nonsense. anyone who speaks honestly about quinn is accused of hating him. it’s nonsense. this mind frame plagues this fan base and this forum, and it’s the genesis of every single fight and thread derailment. calling a spade a spade is not hat, it’s reality.

and FTR, *you* and your people are being very aggy. you’re taking an overhyped, mediocre player, and because he wears your teams jersey you’re out here worshipping him, on a crusade to exalt him, and reacting emotionally every time someone points out his factual flaws and shortcomings. that is what aggies do, and that is what you QE zealots have been doing for years.

I am not worshipping shit.

I am talking about what I see on the field.

You can criticize every Texas QB in the past in some way or another but to say Quinn is the reason Texas did not win the national championship is fucking ridiculous and makes you sound like the moron you are.

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Texas fans don’t do “average/mediocre to solid/good” very well, which is where Ewers falls. Quarterbacks are either treated like legends who walk as gods amongst us, or complete and total garbage.

The guy had his ups and downs but ultimately underachieved. And we’re about to upgrade, which should have everyone excited.

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7 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

The defense in the second half of that game sucked fucking ass and Quinn bailed our ass out.

we scored 7 points in the second half against ASU on a drive that was led by Tre Wisner picking up first downs with his legs. we needed to score 8 second half points to avoid OT with that mid ASU team. quinn ewers could only get us 7. 

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1. Pointing out flaws isn't necessarily hate; there is such a thing as analysis.

2. QE was a loyal Longhorn. I think (almost, anyways) all of us wish him the best.

3. As stated, all-time QB numbers are biased by changes in the game and in how Texas plays it now. I suspect James Street would look like someone we would never want by many metrics.

4. QE had some great moments, and he looked great overall for entire games, eg Michigan.

5. QE was painful to watch on many self-sacks and apparently inaccurate long balls. He "led" the team with the most draft picks in the country of the last two years to the "not quite" level of championship success on the field. 32 NFL teams agree with Derka on this one. He is a much better QB prospect than I, but not in the top 10 available in this year's draft.

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1 minute ago, Red Five said:

Texas fans don’t do “average/mediocre to solid/good” very well, which is where Ewers falls. Quarterbacks are either treated like legends who walk as gods amongst us, or complete and total garbage.

The guy had his ups and downs but ultimately underachieved. And we’re about to upgrade, which should have everyone excited.

Please explain the underachieving part.

Who set his standards that he did not achieve?

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1 minute ago, Steamboat1874 said:

to say Quinn is the reason Texas did not win the national championship is fucking ridiculous and makes you sound like the moron you are.

lol ok.

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1 minute ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Please explain the underachieving part.

Who set his standards that he did not achieve?

well, first you’ve got quinn, who left HS a year early to become a millionaire qb at tOSU; then you’ve got the history of the UT football program; and then of course you have everyone who surrounded quinn, from the AD, to the coaching staff, to his record breaking number of nfl draft pick teammates. i would say that those people set standards which quinn ewers did not live up to.

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8 minutes ago, Nivek said:

The good comes with the bad.  Had he been better at avoiding those mistakes (and injuries and missed time) his numbers would be higher.  Looking at the overall performance is objective.    TWP is highly subjective.  Sacks are also incomplete, they can be from the QB holding on too long or running into it or it could be a wiffed block, something else?   Unless you know the reason, play, situation, and timing of each, this is difficult to completely blame on the QB, especially if the guy is limited by injury.  

 

 

 

It is absolutely correct that we are all limited.  That did not stop you from referencing Worthy or Jones as screwing up.  It’s odd that Worthy has played with 4 different QBs yet only quit on one.  And only quit on him for part of one season.  Or that maybe Jones, a soccer player that had been in multiple offenses, right side and left side too, might have a miscommunication thus causing a late pickup.

Yours, and pretty much everyone else’s, evaluation is subjective.  So if you’re discussing TWP, that is subjective, but keep in mind those are evaluated against a standard to which all other QBs are evaluated.  That’s a bit different than you and I never attempting to define what it it looks then arguing on this board.

As for sacks, those are evaluated as to who is at fault.  I actually looked this up the other day.  Shedeur led the country in “self sacks.”  17 it was.  Believe QE was tied for 2nd or 3rd at 14.  There’s also data on sacks per time pressured. A sack is a sack but the pressure is subjective. I believe it was 2022 and 2024 in which QE did not compare favorably to others in sacks per pressure.  Guys like a Michael Vick, Caleb Williams, Justin Fields will self sack.  That’s probably two-fold - lack of decisiveness and attempting to make a play. That’s not QE, at least to their extreme.

Anyone reading my posts can do so knowing that admittedly I’m not a big Ewers fan.  Some of it off field, some of it on field, some of it media/fan induced.  I do believe he’s better prepared for the NFL than quite a few other QBs.  I do believe he’s has characteristics that could make it work at that level, maybe quite well.  He is in a reasonably good spot to help him get there.

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1 minute ago, Magus Ossis said:

1. Pointing out flaws isn't necessarily hate; there is such a thing as analysis.

2. QE was a loyal Longhorn. I think (almost, anyways) all of us wish him the best.

3. As stated, all-time QB numbers are biased by changes in the game and in how Texas plays it now. I suspect James Street would look like someone we would never want by many metrics.

4. QE had some great moments, and he looked great overall for entire games, eg Michigan.

5. QE was painful to watch on many self-sacks and apparently inaccurate long balls. He "led" the team with the most draft picks in the country of the last two years to the "not quite" level of championship success on the field. 32 NFL teams agree with Derka on this one. He is a much better QB prospect than I, but not in the top 10 available in this year's 

6 minutes ago, Derka said:

we scored 7 points in the second half against ASU on a drive that was led by Tre Wisner picking up first downs with his legs. we needed to score 8 second half points to avoid OT with that mid ASU team. quinn ewers could only get us 7. 

How many points did the vaunted defense give up in the second half of?

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21 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Idk how you can look at those four games and say Quinn is great.   But you know what, the people that matter have spoken. He was the 13th Qb taken for a reason   

Herein lies the problem. Nobody is saying QE is great. Also, the mother-fucking general managers and owners of NFL teams aren't the end-all-be-all with regards to how good a QB was in college. Stats and records and program influence are what matter. And by any definition, QE was a good/solid fucking QB at Texas.

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27 minutes ago, Derka said:

yeah i love that the argument that he wasn’t holding his team back had nothing to do with his play compared to his own teammates, but rather his overall career passing yards compared to former players at a school that adopted the forward pass about a week ago, and whose greatest OC of all time is greg davis. yeah, that totally proves that quinn wasn’t the weak link in the last two teams.

for these people, quinn will always be the one who “led” us to the playoffs, but then they’ll turn around and absolve him of all responsibility for our offensive futility and inability to even move the chains, forget scoring points on countless second half drives last season. 

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weird how we had the #1 defense in the country, a first round wr, a highly touted TE draft pick, an offensive line that was nominated for OL of the year, led by the lombardi and outland trophy winner, and an rb who is currently third favorite to win OROY, and yet we couldn’t even move the damn chains in the second half of our sec schedule. you’d think that a QB who “leads” his team to back to back playoff semifinals could move the chains against a terrible arkansas team that was pulling kids from the stands and starting them at DB, but nope- 172 yards passing and 4-15 on 3rd down vs the patchwork arkansas defense. wasn’t much better vs a&m, kentucky, georgia, or ASU. but yeah nivek is rught- Quinn Ewers was totally not the weak link in the chain. give me a break.

I noticed you didn't mention how that famed offensive line and running backs averaged 1.8 yards against Arizona State's powerhouse of a defense, and against UGA it was 1.1 yards per carry and 2.0 yards per carry vs Ohio State.    

And in this selective group, it looks like this,  

Opponent,  Passing Attempts, Rushing, YPC

Arky , 32, 41, 3.4
Ken  , 31. 47. 5.3
Aggy, 28, 50, 4.8
UGA, 46, 28, 1.1

Overall split, 45% passing, 55% rushing.  But the outlier is the UGA game where the rushing yard production were very low and Texas had to pass.  Without that, it was 60% rushing to 40% passing.  

When you look at the offensive rushing output from Arky, Ken, Aggy, (3.4 ypc, 0.7 ypc, 3.0 ypc) It seems likely that the plan was to stifle the other team and run the ball.

But I am sure you will just ignore this and move goal posts yet again.  

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11 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Texas fans don’t do “average/mediocre to solid/good” very well, which is where Ewers falls. Quarterbacks are either treated like legends who walk as gods amongst us, or complete and total garbage.

The guy had his ups and downs but ultimately underachieved. And we’re about to upgrade, which should have everyone excited.

That is an internet/social media thing. You have to be on the extremes

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2 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

It is absolutely correct that we are all limited.  That did not stop you from referencing Worthy or Jones as screwing up.  It’s odd that Worthy has played with 4 different QBs yet only quit on one.  And only quit on him for part of one season.  Or that maybe Jones, a soccer player that had been in multiple offenses, right side and left side too, might have a miscommunication thus causing a late pickup.

Yours, and pretty much everyone else’s, evaluation is subjective.  So if you’re discussing TWP, that is subjective, but keep in mind those are evaluated against a standard to which all other QBs are evaluated.  That’s a bit different than you and I never attempting to define what it it looks then arguing on this board.

As for sacks, those are evaluated as to who is at fault.  I actually looked this up the other day.  Shedeur led the country in “self sacks.”  17 it was.  Believe QE was tied for 2nd or 3rd at 14.  There’s also data on sacks per time pressured. A sack is a sack but the pressure is subjective. I believe it was 2022 and 2024 in which QE did not compare favorably to others in sacks per pressure.  Guys like a Michael Vick, Caleb Williams, Justin Fields will self sack.  That’s probably two-fold - lack of decisiveness and attempting to make a play. That’s not QE, at least to their extreme.

Anyone reading my posts can do so knowing that admittedly I’m not a big Ewers fan.  Some of it off field, some of it on field, some of it media/fan induced.  I do believe he’s better prepared for the NFL than quite a few other QBs.  I do believe he’s has characteristics that could make it work at that level, maybe quite well.  He is in a reasonably good spot to help him get there.

How many “self sacks” (dumbest new metric in football) prevent an interception?
Is the QB just giving up on the play?
Was the design of the play just not there and so it is better to take the sack than even trying to throw it away?

Did the offensive line miss an assignment and allow a rusher to come in unblocked?

Many more reasons.

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20 minutes ago, Derka said:

dude- giving fair criticisms of quinn ewers is not hating on him. this is the fundamental misunderstanding that leads to all of this nonsense. anyone who speaks honestly about quinn is accused of hating him. it’s nonsense. this mind frame plagues this fan base and this forum, and it’s the genesis of every single fight and thread derailment. calling a spade a spade is not hat, it’s reality.

and FTR, *you* and your people are being very aggy. you’re taking an overhyped, mediocre player, and because he wears your teams jersey you’re out here worshipping him, on a crusade to exalt him, and reacting emotionally every time someone points out his factual flaws and shortcomings. that is what aggies do, and that is what you QE zealots have been doing for years.

Proof of this worship?  You claimed to have receipts.  

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1 hour ago, Tex Long said:

If only Quinn could've played for Greg Davis... 

This is proof positive that Sark needs an OC.

A man can only handle so many bubble screens designed to lose yards.

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7 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I noticed you didn't mention how that famed offensive line and running backs averaged 1.8 yards against Arizona State's powerhouse of a defense, and against UGA it was 1.1 yards per carry and 2.0 yards per carry vs Ohio State.    

And in this selective group, it looks like this,  

Opponent,  Passing Attempts, Rushing, YPC

Arky , 32, 41, 3.4
Ken  , 31. 47. 5.3
Aggy, 28, 50, 4.8
UGA, 46, 28, 1.1

Overall split, 45% passing, 55% rushing.  But the outlier is the UGA game where the rushing yard production were very low and Texas had to pass.  Without that, it was 60% rushing to 40% passing.  

When you look at the offensive rushing output from Arky, Ken, Aggy, (3.4 ypc, 0.7 ypc, 3.0 ypc) It seems likely that the plan was to stifle the other team and run the ball.

But I am sure you will just ignore this and move goal posts yet again.  

Great post.

If you have any doubts about how the lack of a rushing game can affect the performance of a QB look no further than John Elway.

Great QB who could not win a championship without Terrell Davis running the ball.

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22 minutes ago, Derka said:

there goes derka, always insulting people and making it personal. guy can never disagree with anyone without just sticking to football, he always has to take it there. why does he keep doing this to us?!?!?!?!

Is this the gaslighting you claimed to be a victim of?  Because you claimed that people worship QE, you claimed they were "zealots" akin to MAGA types and people who chug apple cider vinegar.  Those are not exactly kind statements and comparisons.   And when presented with objective material you just double down instead of refute the material or explain how my interpretation is incorrect.  Which it can be.  

 

 

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14 minutes ago, mwaadeeb said:

And by any definition, QE was a good/solid fucking QB at Texas.

like for example PFF rating him as the 13th best qb in the sec and the 200th best qb in the nation last season.

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4 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

How many “self sacks” (dumbest new metric in football) prevent an interception?
Is the QB just giving up on the play?
Was the design of the play just not there and so it is better to take the sack than even trying to throw it away?

Did the offensive line miss an assignment and allow a rusher to come in unblocked?

Many more reasons.

It is not perfect, but from my understanding there is considerable time into defining all this.  I do not personally know all those specifics as to what a self sack would include.

If the Oline whiffs on a rusher, that is not a self sack.  If the LT gets beat, it’s not against him self sack.  If the QB holds it 5 seconds, then runs into a rushing then it’s probably a self sack.  There may be an element of WRs are open, but there’s no throw.  I don’t know.

In the end, there is a grading system.  If the QB throws it away to avoid a sack, that’s not against him.  Just as a drop of a well throw ball is not.  It is assigning responsibility to the appropriate parties.

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14 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I noticed you didn't mention how that famed offensive line and running backs averaged 1.8 yards against Arizona State's powerhouse of a defense, and against UGA it was 1.1 yards per carry and 2.0 yards per carry vs Ohio State.    

and i noticed that you and yours somehow don’t understand that a)we lost our top two RBs for last year and were down to third stringers, and b)it’s a lot harder to run the ball when absolutely nobody is worried about the qb beating you. hard to blame third stringers for not lighting the world on fire when the qb is more likely to self sack or miss a wide open man than he is to make a play.

you know colt mccoy’s teams couldn’t run the ball either. colt had to lead the team in rushing while also running for his life on every passing play behind one of the worst o lines in recent memory, and yet he still managed to be a wildly better and more successful qb than quinn ewers, all while having a weaker supporting cast + mack “scared to death” brown and GDGD running the show. weird how great qb’s are able to overcome adversity and lead their teams like that.

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13 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

How many “self sacks” (dumbest new metric in football) prevent an interception?
Is the QB just giving up on the play?
Was the design of the play just not there and so it is better to take the sack than even trying to throw it away?

Did the offensive line miss an assignment and allow a rusher to come in unblocked?

Many more reasons.

That is really not the question. Self-sack generally goes to a QBs ability to either move in the proper direction or the ability to throw it away/complete a pass. You wont get a "self-sack" for someone completely whiffing on a pass rusher. 

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11 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I noticed you didn't mention how that famed offensive line and running backs averaged 1.8 yards against Arizona State's powerhouse of a defense, and against UGA it was 1.1 yards per carry and 2.0 yards per carry vs Ohio State.    

And in this selective group, it looks like this,  

Opponent,  Passing Attempts, Rushing, YPC

Arky , 32, 41, 3.4
Ken  , 31. 47. 5.3
Aggy, 28, 50, 4.8
UGA, 46, 28, 1.1

Overall split, 45% passing, 55% rushing.  But the outlier is the UGA game where the rushing yard production were very low and Texas had to pass.  Without that, it was 60% rushing to 40% passing.  

When you look at the offensive rushing output from Arky, Ken, Aggy, (3.4 ypc, 0.7 ypc, 3.0 ypc) It seems likely that the plan was to stifle the other team and run the ball.

But I am sure you will just ignore this and move goal posts yet again.  

Did you actually watch any of those games at all?


Quinn Ewers so so ineffective vs Kentucky we literally gave up trying to pass.

Quinn is the literal reason why we didn't shut the Aggies out because he threw a pick 6. 

 

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8 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

If you have any doubts about how the lack of a rushing game can affect the performance of a QB look no further than John Elway.

wait wait wait wait wait- you’re blaming tre wisner and jaydon blue for making life harder on quinn?!?!?!

 

Posted
1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

That is really not the question. Self-sack generally goes to a QBs ability to either move in the proper direction or the ability to throw it away/complete a pass. You wont get a "self-sack" for someone completely whiffing on a pass rusher. 

For instance in the Georgia game where he was sacked near our goal line and Kelvin Banks did a marvelous job against the rusher only for Quinn to get sacked.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

It is absolutely correct that we are all limited.  That did not stop you from referencing Worthy or Jones as screwing up.  It’s odd that Worthy has played with 4 different QBs yet only quit on one.  And only quit on him for part of one season.  Or that maybe Jones, a soccer player that had been in multiple offenses, right side and left side too, might have a miscommunication thus causing a late pickup.

Yours, and pretty much everyone else’s, evaluation is subjective.  So if you’re discussing TWP, that is subjective, but keep in mind those are evaluated against a standard to which all other QBs are evaluated.  That’s a bit different than you and I never attempting to define what it it looks then arguing on this board.

As for sacks, those are evaluated as to who is at fault.  I actually looked this up the other day.  Shedeur led the country in “self sacks.”  17 it was.  Believe QE was tied for 2nd or 3rd at 14.  There’s also data on sacks per time pressured. A sack is a sack but the pressure is subjective. I believe it was 2022 and 2024 in which QE did not compare favorably to others in sacks per pressure.  Guys like a Michael Vick, Caleb Williams, Justin Fields will self sack.  That’s probably two-fold - lack of decisiveness and attempting to make a play. That’s not QE, at least to their extreme.

Anyone reading my posts can do so knowing that admittedly I’m not a big Ewers fan.  Some of it off field, some of it on field, some of it media/fan induced.  I do believe he’s better prepared for the NFL than quite a few other QBs.  I do believe he’s has characteristics that could make it work at that level, maybe quite well.  He is in a reasonably good spot to help him get there.

Yes, I was frustrated by Worthy because it was plain to see the skill he had on the field and it looked like he didn't give it his full effort on several plays that we discussed in the past.  It was entirely subjective as a discussion.  Jones' challenges coming from a different background I was ignorant of early on, but seeing him take himself out of the play had me wondering why he was the best option we had.  I think Chris Hall was not a great player but he played his ass off.   Haines, Hager, Swoopes were all frustrating at times, but most of that belongs on the coaches who put them on the field.  

I was not aware of the underlined part, thanks for that, I would like to check it out sometime in the future (I screwed around too much as of now).  

Posted
Just now, Derka said:

like for example PFF rating him as the 13th best qb in the sec and the 200th best qb in the nation last season.

He also led Texas to the following records assfuck.

2022 - 11-3

2023 - 12-2 Big XII Championship - Football final four

2024 - 12-3 SEC best regular season record SEC Championship game (OT loss thanks o-line) Football final four and the only team that went back to back

Yes he did not win a national championship but Jesus fucking Christ what more do you want?
Guy was a fucking Longhorn legend and if you are going to shit on great Texas players that did not win a national championship the list is very long.

Blaming that on Quinn is fucking beyond stupid.

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Posted
18 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I noticed you didn't mention how that famed offensive line and running backs averaged 1.8 yards against Arizona State's powerhouse of a defense, and against UGA it was 1.1 yards per carry and 2.0 yards per carry vs Ohio State.    

And in this selective group, it looks like this,  

Opponent,  Passing Attempts, Rushing, YPC

Arky , 32, 41, 3.4
Ken  , 31. 47. 5.3
Aggy, 28, 50, 4.8
UGA, 46, 28, 1.1

Overall split, 45% passing, 55% rushing.  But the outlier is the UGA game where the rushing yard production were very low and Texas had to pass.  Without that, it was 60% rushing to 40% passing.  

When you look at the offensive rushing output from Arky, Ken, Aggy, (3.4 ypc, 0.7 ypc, 3.0 ypc) It seems likely that the plan was to stifle the other team and run the ball.

But I am sure you will just ignore this and move goal posts yet again.  

This.  Forest and Trees going on here with Quinn.  Quinn was fine(could manning have done better, maybe but unlikely).  I'm more pissed at Flood/Sark for the OL.  It's better obviously but it is still not "fixed" IMO.  I realized it would take some time but I want to see that group take the next step into Saban/Bama territory.  Saban dominated because he had OL's that made it not matter if your QB was Quinn Ewers or Arch Manning or god forbid Jake fucking Coker...

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2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

This.  Forest and Trees going on here with Quinn.  Quinn was fine(could manning have done better, maybe but unlikely).  I'm more pissed at Flood/Sark for the OL.  It's better obviously but it is still not "fixed" IMO.  I realized it would take some time but I want to see that group take the next step into Saban/Bama territory.  Saban dominated because he had OL's that made it not matter if your QB was Quinn Ewers or Arch Manning or god forbid Jake fucking Coker...

Quinn played with a better offensive line than Colt did so please stop blaming the OL for Quinn.

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5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

For instance in the Georgia game where he was sacked near our goal line and Kelvin Banks did a marvelous job against the rusher only for Quinn to get sacked.

 

 

without even knowing how the stat is calculated, steamboat automatically assumes that it has an inherent bias against quinn. this is a great example of what i’m talking about when i say “cult-like”, “zealots”, and “worshipping”- any piece of factual information that questions their own delusional reality is immediately assumed to either be fake news, or inherently designed to undeservedly make quinn look bad. same goes for the “by any observable metric or stat QE was a good Texas QB”, after we’ve already established that PFF graded him as one of the worst qbs in the sec and the 200th best qb in america. just ignore any and everything that refutes your own created reality. hope that clears it up for nivek.

Posted
7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Did you actually watch any of those games at all?


Quinn Ewers so so ineffective vs Kentucky we literally gave up trying to pass.

Quinn is the literal reason why we didn't shut the Aggies out because he threw a pick 6. 

 

My god are you that stupid.

We were running all over their ass early on.

There was no reason to throw much.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Derka said:

like for example PFF rating him as the 13th best qb in the sec and the 200th best qb in the nation last season.

Pro Football Focus is a company. Wiki: "PFF is criticized by the analytics community regarding the accuracy and veracity of its ratings. In contrast to the purely quantitative ratings released by sources such as Football Outsiders, TeamRankings, and numberFire, PFF uses qualitative and opinion-based grading as the root of its 0–100 Player Grades – not its advanced statistics. As such, the 0–100 Player Grades are not truly quantitative and could be seen as being prone to bias, poor sample sizing, or other issues."

Still, you're right. It's a metric saying QE was subpar (last year). But you're hanging your whole argument on that and where GMs drafted him and ignoring every traditional statistic (like passing and winning percentage), and treating your opinion as fact. Can't you see that?

Posted
Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Quinn played with a better offensive line than Colt did so please stop blaming the OL for Quinn.

Yes Colt was a much better QB than Quinn.  is that your point?

Posted
8 minutes ago, Steamboat1874 said:

He also led Texas to the following records assfuck.

so when the team wins, it’s because of quinn, but when quinn repeatedly fails to move the chains against inferior opponents despite being surrounded by more nfl talent than any qb in america the last two years, well then that’s not his fault. it’s sark, it’s the running backs it’s the o line- anybody but quinn.

do you see? do you see how fanatical that is? do you see how you give quinn all of the credit and none of the blame? “prove to me that we’re zealots!!!” he said while taking his fifth sip of poison kool-aid during his child sacrifice ritual.

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1 minute ago, Derka said:

without even knowing how the stat is calculated, steamboat automatically assumes that it has an inherent bias against quinn. this is a great example of what i’m talking about when i say “cult-like”, “zealots”, and “worshipping”- any piece of factual information that questions their own delusional reality is immediately assumed to either be fake news, or inherently designed to undeservedly make quinn look bad. same goes for the “by any observable metric or stat QE was a good Texas QB”, after we’ve already established that PFF graded him as one of the worst qbs in the sec and the 200th best qb in america. just ignore any and everything that refutes your own created reality. hope that clears it up for nivek.

Holy shit….

You really posted this?
You are the only cult like figure on this entire thread along with an assist with BOAW.

All both of you are doing is trying to tell the rest of us how the reason we did not win a national championship was because of Quinn.

Which is saying that Arch would have been better which not one person, including Sark, knows.

please….

You two are the cult.

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