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14 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

Women are catty and jealous of each other?

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Pages of argument and this is all it is. It’s like y’all have never been around groups of women

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Posted
11 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Pages of argument and this is all it is. It’s like y’all have never been around groups of women

Not as if a group of men would freeze someone out on the court or say,  block another player from being included on an Olympic team.

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Posted
24 minutes ago, Iceman said:

WRT relevance to their respective leagues, it would have been Jordan, not Zeke who was left off the Dream Team; if you're going there with the WNBA.

Not the point,  the idea that only women are petty when there are multiple examples of feuds and pettiness in the NBA.  

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On 7/3/2025 at 9:50 PM, SarkAfterDark said:

Imagine not knowing one of the lead guards on a team that won a championship back to back recently and almost 3peated and is still one of the better guards in the league today and then think people should give a shit about your opinion on the matter. I guess you Clark stans assume everyone is as ignorant in regards to the WNBA as most of you are. So far the only argument in this discourse has been they should have voted her first, well because she is CC. She has missed half the season and believe it or not there are players that have been better than her this season. 

God I hate having to agree with Derka, but that was literally his fucking point.

The casual fan doesn't know most players. Clark. Reese obviously.  Maybe Paige cause she's been talked about for years.  Possibly Sabrina, and of course A'ja...maybe a small group know Breanna and Griner That's about it for current players.

On 7/4/2025 at 12:00 AM, Vegas64 said:

I get what you are saying, but I actually think you are making the opposite point by saying it.

WNBA was a flailing league. If it wasn't outright dying, it sure wasn't growing with any alacrity that would anyone would confuse with health. If you cop to being a WNBA fan pre-CC, that is cool, but it's rare. And it stands to reason that the reason the league was failing (cue Bill Burr for the 11th time) is that it had no broad support from any sufficiently large demographic.

So the fact that the (massive) growth drivers are new fans who don't really know a lot of the players who were drowning in a sinking league isn't the flex you think it is. That said, there are a few names that casual fans shold have heard of and I think Kelsie Plum is one of them. You should have a passing awareness that she is a person and a component of the league just as I know there is a fat rapper named LIzzo and Gorilla the red, even though I have never and will never listen to woman rap. Just by virtue of being alive.

Exactly.

On 7/4/2025 at 10:47 AM, Blotto said:

Fucking laughable. My guess is if you stop 10 people randomly on the street and ask them how Kelsey Plum makes a living, 1 might be able to tell you she's plays in the wnba. If you ask details like what team she plays for and what position, you might have to ask 25+ before someone knows. Unless you're at a  Subaru owners convention, Plum is as relevant nationally as someone like Sergino Dest. Solid player but moves zero needles.

Pretty much.

Posted
23 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

That scoring record should still be Plums.   It took Caitlin 9 seasons to break it

I know you were jagging but, I decided to go ahead and take a look at their stats while in college.

Both are wonderful players.

Both played 139 collegiate games.

Clark averaged 28.4 ppg while Plum averaged 25.4 ppg.

Plum played more minutes per game, 37.4 to 34.8 which, if you just divide the total by 40 minutes, works out to basically nine more games than Clark played.

Clark averaged more rebounds per game, 7.1 to 4.3 and assists per game, 8.2 to 3.8.

Clark shot better from the floor, 46.2% to 44.3%. Plum did shoot better from 3, 38.2% to 37.7%.

Clark scored 3,951 points to Plum's 3,527. 

Blew her right out of the water.

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Posted
2 hours ago, PGFrog said:

Not the point,  the idea that only women are petty when there are multiple examples of feuds and pettiness in the NBA.  

Who said “only women?” 

Posted
8 hours ago, Drew said:

God I hate having to agree with Derka, but that was literally his fucking point.

The casual fan doesn't know most players. Clark. Reese obviously.  Maybe Paige cause she's been talked about for years.  Possibly Sabrina, and of course A'ja...maybe a small group know Breanna and Griner That's about it for current players.

Exactly.

Pretty much.

The casual fan ≠ Caitlyn Clark stans that refuse to become casual fans because CC isn’t being treated as a holy grail. 

Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, SarkAfterDark said:

The casual fan ≠ Caitlyn Clark stans that refuse to become casual fans because CC isn’t being treated as a holy grail. 

The numbers and everything quite literally say she’s the holy grail. For fucks sake viewership of the league as a whole sunk 50% while she was out. Are you truly this fucking dumb. 
 

that also doesn’t include all star voting being 5x higher because of the viewership brought to the league by her. 
 

 

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On 7/5/2025 at 9:27 PM, SarkAfterDark said:

The casual fan ≠ Caitlyn Clark stans that refuse to become casual fans because CC isn’t being treated as a holy grail. 

Jesus this is such a stupid and disingenuous take.  

Casual Fans ARE casual fans.  That simple.

13 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Her passes are too crisp and quick for her brick handed teammates.  And also, defense play her differently

Nah she just  makes passes that she probably shouldn't at times, because she's the only one in that league that could attempt them.

Same reason Luka and Lebron have high turnover stats...they attempt crazy passes.

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On 7/7/2025 at 12:15 PM, Drew said:

Jesus this is such a stupid and disingenuous take.  

Casual Fans ARE casual fans.  That simple.

Casual fans would know/realize there are other teams/players worth watching other than Fever/Clark. There are multiple posters in this thread that refuse to watch unless it’s Clark and she is getting treated like a princess. So get the fuck outta here with your shit. They aren’t casual fans.

Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, SarkAfterDark said:

it’s Clark and she is getting treated like a princess.

yeah fans like her. why you mad? imagine nba fans being seething mad that non-nba fans said they don’t watch basketball but they’ll tune in to watch steph curry. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Derka said:

yeah fans like her. why you mad? imagine nba fans being seething mad that non-nba fans said they don’t watch basketball but they’ll tune in to watch steph curry. 

You have a short memory— curry was polarizing early on and had a ton of haters. 

Posted (edited)

LOL.  Steph Curry was a legacy NBA player whose slight build lead to bigtime questions about durability and physical toughness; but was well thought of as an offensive threat by anyone paying attention.  He answered the concerns in the most dramatic and convincing of fashions.  The NBA officials and players didn't go out of their way to shun and beat the living fuck out of him either.  The league damned sure didn't let the Pistons and Knicks, among others;  beat the living fuck out of him.  Jordan is a far better example of someone who got fucking physically obliterated early on. Even then, he wasn't treated like Clark has been in the WNBA.

Hell Jordan even made the '84 Olympic team.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Iceman said:

The NBA officials and players didn't go out of their way to shun and beat the living fuck out of him either.  The league damned sure didn't let the Pistons and Knicks, among others;  beat the living fuck out of him.

This is fucking hysterical. How many NBA games do you watch every year? 4? 

I need @aggie08 to see this. 

Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, ztejas said:

This is fucking hysterical. How many NBA games do you watch every year? 4? 

I need @aggie08 to see this. 

We've had this discussion before.  The league ain't like it was in the 80's/ 90's, no matter how much you fantasize about its current state.

Remember someone listing Bill Laimbeer as an example of the Pistons defense, when he, at BEST,  was the 4th best defender?

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Posted
32 minutes ago, Iceman said:

We've had this discussion before.  The league ain't like it was in the 80's/ 90's, no matter how much you fantasize about its current state.

Remember someone listing Bill Laimbeer as an example of the Pistons defense, when he, at BEST,  was the 4th best defender?

You don't understand the "current state" of the NBA because you don't watch the games. 

I know twice as much about every era of the NBA and how they relate to each other as you do. And that's being generous. You casually watched the NBA for like 15 years growing up and think you know as much as someone who is obsessive about the sport. 

Curry has been getting targeted and getting his ass kicked his entire career. He has not gotten protected by officials. That is part of why he is one of the 10 greatest players to ever pick the ball up. 

Shut the fuck up, Slorch. 

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