Supreme Court Justice Kennedy to Retire at the end of July

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

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Edited July 10, 2018 by Cheeseweasel

[Anastasis 23191]

Just now, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

I give him a 3.5 for at least trying to pull out of that nosedive.

I gave him a "I was trolling these smooth brain idiots" out, but he was too dumb to take it. 

[bad_teammate 13018]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

These upcoming GOP campaigns should be interesting.

That's a fun word for horrifying.

[ChiTownDoc 20838]

1 minute ago, Pods said:

Same thing happens with doctors and every other profession too. Not many doctors could pass a gross anatomy practical exam without some major prep time to re-learn the material. 

No shit. If you ask me about the Krebs Cycle, I’ll tell you to wrap up your junk next time.  

[udaydanceparty 33]

Wolf! Wolf!

 

[Tuco 5003]

Just now, David Dennison said:

It's also easy for Democrats. 

If there is any Democrat/Dem-lean voter who wasn't going to show up to vote Dem, do you really think this will convince them?

[bad_teammate 13018]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

I gave him a "I was trolling these smooth brain idiots" out, but he was too dumb to take it. 

meh, the point remains. You're buying into Trump's anti-press bullshit whole hog and you'll express all the cynicism in the world about the consolidation of power among the elite until someone actually points at an example.

[David Dennison 17657]

Just now, Tuco said:

If there is any Democrat/Dem-lean voter who wasn't going to show up to vote Dem, do you really think this will convince them?

Sure. Women in particular.

[F250 28379]

6 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I don't see the Republican Congress addressing the immediate crisis of the detention centers before the court remedies make it moot.  In some ways, I think the courts will bail them out.  But thank fucking God for that. 

I also don't see the Republican Congress addressing immigration continuing issues in any kind of agreeable way while Trump is spouting anti-immigrant rhetoric, at least not before the midterms.  They will lose swing voters if they follow Trump's lead and get killed by Trumpsters if they don't. 

Nor do I but I would expect the Dems to put up a fight for the kids being removed from their parents. They only need a handful of Republicans to break party lines to get something done. It's a major humanitarian issue, I really can't understand why any other issue would get priority over it.

It's such a black and white issue, the Democrats should be banging away at this issue day and night.

 

[David Dennison 17657]

1 minute ago, F250 said:

Nor do I but I would expect the Dems to put up a fight for the kids being removed from their parents. They only need a handful of Republicans to break party lines to get something done. It's a major humanitarian issue, I really can't understand why any other issue would get priority over it.

It's such a black and white issue, the Democrats should be banging away at this issue day and night.

 

They have the votes to get something done now. Leadership won't bring immigration bills that will pass to the floor.

[bad_teammate 13018]

1 minute ago, F250 said:

Nor do I but I would expect the Dems to put up a fight for the kids being removed from their parents. They only need a handful of Republicans to break party lines to get something done. It's a major humanitarian issue, I really can't understand why any other issue would get priority over it.

The Democrats have as much power to save the kids from the internment camps as they do to stop the SC nominee. None.

This is literally how hostage-taking works.

[Tuco 5003]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

They have the votes to get something done now. Leadership won't bring immigration bills that will pass to the floor.

Yep.  McConnell and Ryan don't want any part of it. House moderates nearly forced the issue in May/June via petition, but the leadership negotiated with them and brought the two Republican bills to a vote, both of which went down hard.

[TheStoicPaisano 9715]

30 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The best possible outcome is stalling it until the mid-terms, winning the Senate, and then holding the seat empty until 2020. I don't think that's possible and I don't really care about the Supreme Court (as you can see by my almost complete lack of participation in this thread). 

I just think it's astonishing that our Brilliant Centrist Brains are expressing disbelief at the idea that a fucking KENNEDY acted in a sleazy way to influence government and are so easily won over by Trump's anti-press campaign. 

He’s not from that Kennedy family, and not caring about the Supreme Court is the height of straight white male privilege. Fuck off.

[David Dennison 17657]

6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The Democrats have as much power to save the kids from the internment camps as they do to stop the SC nominee. None.

This is literally how hostage-taking works.

It's how power works. The Democrats don't have it.

Which is why cries of witch hunt ring so hollow.

[bad_teammate 13018]

1 minute ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

not caring about the Supreme Court is the height of straight white male privilege

I do not disagree at all.

It's not that I think the SC is unimportant, it's that I think it's lost. Once the Dems lost the Garland seat I gave up on that branch of government. I sincerely hope people less cynical and more optimistic than me fight like hell for the SC.

[F250 28379]

4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The Democrats have as much power to save the kids from the internment camps as they do to stop the SC nominee. None.

This is literally how hostage-taking works.

They have the ability to keep this issue at the forefront rather than pivot to an issue that solidifies the Republicans.

Personally, I would prefer everything come to a halt until the tender camps are shutdown.

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

[Fozzz 152]

12 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

They have the votes to get something done now. Leadership won't bring immigration bills that will pass to the floor.

Why would they give the hostages away for free?  That's fucking stupid.

[bad_teammate 13018]

2 minutes ago, F250 said:

They have the ability to keep this issue at the forefront rather than pivot to an issue that solidifies the Republicans.

Are the Republicans actually divided over the child internment camps? How has that manifested?

I agree that the Dems should do nothing but scream at the GOP until the GOP starts behaving like human beings.

[ChiTownDoc 20838]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Are the Republicans actually divided over the child internment camps? How has that manifested?

I agree that the Dems should do nothing but scream at the GOP until the GOP starts behaving like human beings.

Sound political strategy.  

[hayden_horn 11311]

3 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Are the Republicans actually divided over the child internment camps? How has that manifested?

I agree that the Dems should do nothing but scream at the GOP until the GOP starts behaving like human beings.

this is why i don' support an all-in obstruction on kavanaugh. the republicans are trying to score an own-goal with this child hostage taking, and the democrats need to make a much larger issue out of it than they are.

[bad_teammate 13018]

1 minute ago, hayden_horn said:

this is why i don' support an all-in obstruction on kavanaugh. the republicans are trying to score an own-goal with this child hostage taking, and the democrats need to make a much larger issue out of it than they are.

How? What? They're fine with this. Their base loves it.

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Can we not change our avatars?? I made one to make fun of myself for being wrong about Kennedy's connections to the other Kennedy but it won't show. RIP.

Edited July 10, 2018 by bad_teammate

[hayden_horn 11311]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

How? What? They're fine with this. Their base loves it.

who gives a fuck about their base? the game is won in the middle of the field.

[bad_teammate 13018]

Just now, hayden_horn said:

who gives a fuck about their base? the game is won in the middle of the field.

It is??

A hallucination!?

[Fozzz 152]

Anyone who knows anything about politics knows that the GOP has achieved its position of relative dominance today through moderation and playing to the middle. lmao

[triplehorn 2664]

Nice little twitter thread on the BK nomination from someone who expects to see Trump Co die in prison.  Touches on BK opinions assoc w abortion, immigration,  ACA, and indicting a sitting POTUS:

https://mobile.twitter.com/lauferlaw/status/1016674219504128001

[bad_teammate 13018]

Just now, Fozzz said:

Anyone who knows anything about politics knows that the GOP has achieved its position of relative dominance today through moderation and playing to the middle. lmao

The "Tea" in "Tea Party" stands for the friendly social gatherings of multicultural and politically-diverse crowds that took place in the late-mid-aughts.

[udaydanceparty 33]

[hayden_horn 11311]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

It is??

A hallucination!?

yeah, dude, i mean, i know there is an illusion that the R base elected trump, but there were plenty of traditionally blue voters (ahem, union manufacturing voters) who swung right because of his rhetoric. he really did speak to a disenfranchised part of america. there was also the whole cambridge analytica shit. but, by all means, continue in this line of thinking. squander the opportunity to win the branches of national government for the larger part of a decade.

the race wasn't close. hillary won by something more than 4%, iirc. she just lost where it counted, in part because she chose not to campaign there, but also because trump told those people what they wanted to hear.

but anyways, the democrats are going to resist a reasonable supreme court justice instead of making immigration the forefront, because reasons. to be totally cynical, you win on emotion. there is no emotion more powerful than a sense of familial loyalty. this detention issue cannot be allowed to slip away. hell, the world watched with bated breath that thai cave situation because it was children. we need cameras in prisons, and if we cannot get that, we need to shout until we do. that means schumer needs to stop saying he'll resist the nomination with all he's got. that effort needs to be on saving children from fucking prisons.

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

9 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

Nice little twitter thread on the BK nomination from someone who expects to see Trump Co die in prison.  Touches on BK opinions assoc w abortion, immigration,  ACA, and indicting a sitting POTUS:

https://mobile.twitter.com/lauferlaw/status/1016674219504128001

That thread got hilarious fast.

 

 

 

 

[bad_teammate 13018]

4 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

 he really did speak to a disenfranchised part of america.

Which is exactly what the super-centrist Hillary did not do. Populism won Trump the nomination, and centrism in the US is all about protecting the status quo of corporatism against populism.

Decorum means exactly nothing to people outside of the DC bubble.

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but anyways, the democrats are going to resist a reasonable supreme court justice instead of making immigration the forefront, because reasons.

I don't even care that much about the SC but "reasons" to wave it away is beyond even me.

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that means schumer needs to stop saying he'll resist the nomination with all he's got. that effort needs to be on saving children from fucking prisons.

I'm going to float an insane idea... what if the Dems scream about both things?

[David Dennison 17657]

15 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Anyone who knows anything about politics knows that the GOP has achieved its position of relative dominance today through moderation and playing to the middle. lmao

The good news is anyone who knows anything about politics knows they better enjoy it while it lasts, because they will be out of power shortly. They haven't made the most of it so far.

[ChiTownDoc 20838]

13 minutes ago, udaydanceparty said:

Hey dipshit, Soros bought those.  And he doesn’t need no fucking refund. 

Edited July 10, 2018 by ChiTownDoc

[GHOSTUSER 361]

Very cool to see "centrists" and "moderates" joining the buffoon con-man Donald Trump in assailing the free press.
Undoubtedly, journalists* have gotten things wrong, but they issue retractions and explanations and work to at least end up with the truth even if they don't get it immediately.
American journalists from real publications: Right 90% of the time and apologize/retract for the 10%
Donald Trump: Wrong 75% of the time and never apologizes
Very Brilliant Centrist, "Hmm, looks the same to me!"
* - Not pundits and op-ed writers, but actual journalists.
Past that, why are you people acting like it's beyond conscience that Donald Trump and the Kennedys colluded on the pick? Is it really unbelievable that the con-man and one of the most disgusting wannabe-royal-families in the nation rubbed shoulders in order to secure their power?
Do you people not pay attention to the world around you?
It's almost like they knew ahead of time who the picks would be and knew all the picks would be a threat to the values the sign-makers hold dear. Weird. I wonder how they knew those names!
The "gotcha" in this stupid picture is like revealing that Hillary was preparing to run against all the GOP primary candidates. "Oh, Hillary, you were already coming up with a plan to defeat Jeb before he ran? I guess you don't even wait to see who the opponent is before trying. You are a crazy reactionary!"
American centrists are the dumbest fucking smart people imaginable.

Thanks for the belly full of laughs. Don’t go off the deep end my friend. It’s not a pretty place.

[udaydanceparty 33]

Trump's executive order did a lot to diffuse that situation and the masses have a short attention span.  Like it or not, at this point the general public is satisfied with the response and know there are limited resources to deal with this.  Releasing those photos of Obama era holding cells really undermined the attacks on the administration.

The real risk is having Dems that are up for election in red states vote against Kavanaugh.  It puts those seats at risk for the Dems.

You can only cry wolf/Nazi so many times before people just tune you out and start to view you as hysterical.

[bad_teammate 13018]

*posts picture of wealthy elites yukking it up to attack a post talking about how wealthy elites work together*

"Get owned, lib."

I'm better at owning myself than you are, bud. Leave it to the expert.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23245]

Remember when the Tea Party was all about economic issues? 

Lmao

[David Dennison 17657]

4 minutes ago, udaydanceparty said:

Trump's executive order did a lot to diffuse that situation and the masses have a short attention span.  Like it or not, at this point the general public is satisfied with the response and know there are limited resources to deal with this.  Releasing those photos of Obama era holding cells really undermined the attacks on the administration.

The real risk is having Dems that are up for election in red states vote against Kavanaugh.  It puts those seats at risk for the Dems.

You can only cry wolf/Nazi so many times before people just tune you out and start to view you as hysterical.

Everything in this post is incorrect.

[F250 28379]

24 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Are the Republicans actually divided over the child internment camps? How has that manifested?

I agree that the Dems should do nothing but scream at the GOP until the GOP starts behaving like human beings.

They are not divided but for awhile the pressure was starting to cause some cracks but they got away with a "well we tried.." and then the issue died out for the. If the Senate is going to come to a halt it should be over this issue. Not that I think the Senate is going to come to a halt.

They should be treated as social outcasts and shamed 24/7 for what they are doing.

[udaydanceparty 33]

So Trump's executive order made the situation worse and the masses have a long attention span.

The general public is not satisfied with the response and we have unlimited resources to deal with it.

Releasing pictures of Obama era holding cells that had children on floors in cages made Obama look great and Trump look bad.

Dems in red states need to act more liberal because it will get them more votes.

You can cry wolf/Nazi as much as you want and people will listen to you more and start viewing you as a trusted sources of analysis. 

 

Better David D?

[F250 28379]

20 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

we need cameras in prisons, and if we cannot get that, we need to shout until we do. that means schumer needs to stop saying he'll resist the nomination with all he's got. that effort needs to be on saving children from fucking prisons. 

[wildcat09 28387]

22 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

but anyways, the democrats are going to resist a reasonable supreme court justice instead of making immigration the forefront, because reasons. to be totally cynical, you win on emotion. there is no emotion more powerful than a sense of familial loyalty. this detention issue cannot be allowed to slip away. hell, the world watched with bated breath that thai cave situation because it was children. we need cameras in prisons, and if we cannot get that, we need to shout until we do. that means schumer needs to stop saying he'll resist the nomination with all he's got. that effort needs to be on saving children from fucking prisons.

I agree that the #1 priority should be beating them as much as possible with the detention issue, but I don't think that conflicts with voting no on Trump's SCOTUS pick. They can walk and chew gum at the same....

oh fuck, I just remembered they're Democrats.

[F250 28379]

11 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Remember when the Tea Party was all about economic issues? 

Lmao

It was for about a week or so then it became a blue collar populist movement.

[Js1 82350]

5 minutes ago, F250 said:

It was for about a week or so then it became a blue collar populist economic anxiety movement.

fify

[Fozzz 152]

5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

fify

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We find that the Tea Party is a new incarnation of longstanding strands in US conservatism. The anger of grassroots Tea Partiers about new federal social programs such as the Affordable Care Act coexists with considerable acceptance, even warmth, toward long-standing federal social programs like Social Security and Medicare, to which Tea Partiers feel legitimately entitled. Opposition is concentrated on resentment of perceived federal government “handouts” to “undeserving” groups, the definition of which seems heavily influenced by racial and ethnic stereotypes. More broadly, Tea Party concerns exist within the context of anxieties about racial, ethnic, and generational changes in American society

http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/williamson/files/tea_party_pop.pdf

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Dems need to run more socialists.  That’s the cool thing to do.  That’s what their base wants.  

[bad_teammate 13018]

8 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Dems need to run more socialists.  That’s the cool thing to do.  That’s what their base wants.  

I agree unironically with your ironic statement.

I know the full-right and center-right posters here who fancy themselves pundits think the Dems will own themselves by moving Left, but all you are doing is trying to negotiate your worldview into existence. You're just advocating for the positions you hold inside and you're trying to dress it up as punditry.

How well have the Dems done with their center/center-right strategy of the last couple of decades? They got a personality elected president who then had to force-feed the Congress center-right policies and then ran a center-right candidate who lost to a raving right-wing populist.

[triplehorn 2664]

1 hour ago, Cheeseweasel said:

That thread got hilarious fast.

Focus cheeseweez !

“Judge Kavanaugh last night and it further solidifies my opinion that he’s a thoughtful and reasoned constructionist conservative when it comes to applying the law. Meaning he is bound by Stare Decisis or Judicial precedent. /1

In layman’s terms, he follows the prior rulings of the Court and doesn’t aim to make new law. Take for example his dissenting opinion in Garza v. Hargan (2017) - the ‘abortion’ case reflects anything but a mission to overturn Roe v Wade. His dissent specifically /2

states that the government has the right “...to impose reasonable regulations so as they do not unduly burden the right to an abortion that the Court has recognized.” That sounds to me like he’s acknowledging that even an undocumented immigrant minor has a legal right to an /3

abortion. His focus appears to be directed upon the semantics of moving a minor through the immigration process and that a reasonable delay in obtaining an abortion does not unduly interfere with the right to have one. No where in any of his decisions does he reflect a /4

personal desire to overturn Roe v Wade. This specific decision actually reflects the opposite. Another important decision he opined was involving the ACA or Obamacare. In Seven Sky v Holder (2011) he didn’t even address the act itself but the Courts ability to review /5

the Act being limited based upon the expansive taxing power of Congress. That means he felt the Court May have lacked the jurisdiction to hear the case to begin with which would definitely anger many anti-ACA ‘elements.’ Those two important cases alone demonstrate to me that /6

Judge Kavanaugh is a by the book strict constructionist of the Constitution and the power of Congress. Many of his decisions reflect this stance. He is a well reasoned, competent; thoughtful, SANE, and STABLE jurist of the center right. We are in dire need of stability /7

In this country and we aren’t going to get stable and sane left of center jurists on the bench given the current political climate. In that case, I’ll take sane and stable right of center jurists. Lastly, his opinion that POTUS is too busy to worry about civil and criminal /8

was written in 2009 and I don’t believe he contemplated the gravity of a POTUS facing heavy criminal charges such as racketeering, rape, money laundering, and human trafficking. Further, that opinion stated Congress would have to change the law for POTUS to be immune from /9

(last para (9)). from prosecution. Trust me when I say, Trumpistan isn’t happy with this establishment pick. About to start a deposition. Will answer questions later. /end”

I’m open to being convinced BK is a dangerous pick and I should be upset about it.  Hardly there yet.  The observations above reinforce that.  Still have to rake him through confirmation though.

[udaydanceparty 33]

21 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Dems need to run more socialists.  That’s the cool thing to do.  That’s what their base wants.  

[David Dennison 17657]

38 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Dems need to run more socialists.  That’s the cool thing to do.  That’s what their base wants.  

Absolutely. Americans love the socialism they have.