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9 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

So the qb literally having one of the slowest release times in all of college football has nothing to do with it?  Some of y’all need to wake up to reality.  He’s been complete ass from the pocket, the only time he completes passes is when he’s on the run and not over thinking. 

I’m objecting to your conclusions based on your inferred statistical analysis.

 I’m saying he’s young, and is rapidly improving. You seem to think past results and the averages of those games (he’s only played 3 games against real defenses) is reliable enough to be a predictive sample size.  It’s not. His trend line is showing rapid improvement so I’m content for now. 

btw I’m not an arch sycophant. I was 99% sure QE was the better QB last year and saw the game was way too fast for him in the one series he had vs Georgia last year. I do think he could be really fucking good in due time though. 

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2 minutes ago, scramblyn said:

I’m objecting to your conclusions based on your inferred statistical analysis.

 I’m saying he’s young, and is rapidly improving. You seem to think past results and the averages of those games (he’s only played 3 games against real defenses) is reliable enough to be a predictive sample size.  It’s not. His trend line is showing rapid improvement so I’m content for now. 

btw I’m not an arch sycophant. I was 99% sure QE was the better QB last year and saw the game was way too fast for him in the one series he had vs Georgia last year. I do think he could be really fucking good in due time though. 

He’s literally like 132 out of what 142 on release time with a bad oline…. Can he be good?  Sure but let’s be real that offense is a liability right now and release time is a big part of that.  He literally only throws good passes on the run and when he’s not over thinking.   

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2 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

He’s literally like 132 out of what 142 on release time with a bad oline…. Can he be good?  Sure but let’s be real that offense is a liability right now and release time is a big part of that.  He literally only throws good passes on the run and when he’s not over thinking.   

Ok.

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37 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Good lord If you can’t count on your quarterback to throw from the pocket a good pass unliess he’s on the run.  Your point isn’t good.  That’s not hard to see at this point but keep acting like he’s a heisman contender.  I’m just saying this team isn’t a contender until we can count on easy passes getting completed from the pocket.   The rest of the country knows that. 

Actually the heisman contender in this game threw three picks and zero tds.  Sorry for your loss. 

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41 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

He’s literally like 132 out of what 142 on release time with a bad oline…. Can he be good?  Sure but let’s be real that offense is a liability right now and release time is a big part of that.  He literally only throws good passes on the run and when he’s not over thinking.   

OMG! Release time!

Just beat the fuck out of the dirt burglars, but release time!

I actually feel bad for you sad fucks that can’t appreciate a good win and a good QB performance.

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1 hour ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

He started turning the corner at Florida. Most people couldn’t see it.

I saw it. It actually made the Florida game worse for me bc I said arch was fine/good given the context unlike OSU where it felt like he was point shaving. Fixing 1 guy is easier/better than fixing the entire team which was the difference between OSU game and Florida. 

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Just now, Wulaw Horn said:

I saw it. It actually made the Florida game worse for me bc I said arch was fine/good given the context unlike OSU where it felt like he was point shaving. Fixing 1 guy is easier/better than fixing the entire team which was the difference between OSU game and Florida. 

I actually bought Arch looked ok against Sam but that was Sam.   At least he’s not throwing the ball in the dirt.  
 

ous defense was #1 in the country.  To still come after the guy after a win like this is something else.  I feel sorry for people who can’t enjoy a win like this. 

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1 minute ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

I actually bought Arch looked ok against Sam but that was Sam.   At least he’s not throwing the ball in the dirt.  
 

ous defense was #1 in the country.  To still come after the guy after a win like this is something else.  I feel sorry for people who can’t enjoy a win like this. 

He sort of sucked in the first 2 drives against same (scored TD and didn’t throw incomplete but ball was in wrong spot and/or to the wrong guy, but he played legitimately good after that. He’s going on 10  quarters in a row of pretty solid play. After about 10 quarters of shitty play to open the season. 

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7 minutes ago, Victor Lazlo said:

OMG! Release time!

Just beat the fuck out of the dirt burglars, but release time!

I actually feel bad for you sad fucks that can’t appreciate a good win and a good QB performance.

Talk to me after Georgia or Vanderbilt even if you don’t think your QB with a shitty oline with one of the worst releases times in college football isn’t a problem..  

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17 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Seriously watch Ty Simpson play and how fast he goes through his progressions. FYI Simpson went to a HS with just 500 people in Tennessee as well.

Why do I have to be so serious about it?? I enjoyed it a lot more and saw just as much relaxed on the couch with a beer in my hand.

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33 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Talk to me after Georgia or Vanderbilt even if you don’t think your QB with a shitty oline with one of the worst releases times in college football isn’t a problem..  

OK, yeah, we’ll talk after those games.

So, just to be sure, you are not happy with a 23-6 win over #6 Oklahoma because of your theory that QB release times determine outcomes?

okay

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3 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

Good lord If you can’t count on your quarterback to throw from the pocket a good pass unliess he’s on the run.  Your point isn’t good.  That’s not hard to see at this point but keep acting like he’s a heisman contender.  I’m just saying this team isn’t a contender until we can count on easy passes getting completed from the pocket.   The rest of the country knows that. 

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2 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

Talk to me after Georgia or Vanderbilt even if you don’t think your QB with a shitty oline with one of the worst releases times in college football isn’t a problem..  

I think the answer is for the last three years is that Texas was almost dead last in the entire FBS in red zone scoring. With at least 3 different QBs. Arch will continue to improve. I submit he would be further along this season had we had typical practices starting in the spring and not changed the entire offseason practice model to light no contact practices (NFL Prostyle.) or how we came off flat, disjointed and discombobulated off a bye week to play a weak Florida team helmed by Slingblade. That’s on Sark.

You act like we didn’t already make it extremely difficult on ourselves to sniff the playoffs before the season started. Winning out would be amazing but I just have to look forward one game at a time. You should too. We already have two losses. One loss was an offensive failure and Arch played poorly. The loss to Florida was a team failure and Arch was actually one of the bright spots. He’s a mobile QB who would have benefitted from heavy 140 play practices with contact in the offseason. He’s trying to put the pieces together. he does need to get rid of the ball faster and I am sure that’s a focus of how the staff works with him in practice. Or I hope it is. 
 

And most of us see the type of improvement in him that bodes well for us if we want to win out. Putting in Caldwell won’t change anything. Or make it better or did you not see we have been nearly dead last in red zone scoring the last three years in the entire FBS? 

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3 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

Good lord If you can’t count on your quarterback to throw from the pocket a good pass unliess he’s on the run.  Your point isn’t good.  That’s not hard to see at this point but keep acting like he’s a heisman contender.  I’m just saying this team isn’t a contender until we can count on easy passes getting completed from the pocket.   The rest of the country knows that. 

You are creating opposition where it doesn’t exist. No one thinks he’s playing well enough to be a top QB this year let alone the top offensive player in football. No one.

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Posted
30 minutes ago, scramblyn said:
1 hour ago, GhostofDanJones said:

He did well yesterday. I for one owe Arch an apology for doubting him. 

Honestly he’s given plenty of reasons to doubt him but yesterday showed some improvement.   I thought he played well given that was the #1 defense ina rivalry game.   Not sure why some can’t be happy for his success.  Well, I can imagine why 

30 minutes ago, scramblyn said:

You are creating opposition where it doesn’t exist. No one thinks he’s playing well enough to be a top QB this year let alone the top offensive player in football. No one.

Yep. I’d say at least 1/3 of this board wants to bench him.   Again, far from perfect but he’s showing signs of figuring things out imo.  
 

the heisma favorite was the one that threw three picks yesterday

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13 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Sark's pro style offense is a double edge sword. On one hand its a bit clunky and inefficient when you dont have studs everywhere like Saban Bama. That said its also why he gets the QBs he does. Kids wanna learn it so they can be ready for the next level. I dont think Arch comes here if its the air raid. 

I think Sark is learning that a program like Texas that "recruits well" isn't quite the same as a Bama or Georgia of the recent past.  And learning himself that just stacking the talent like cordwood isn't all that easy.

And I think that's a mistake all of us associated with this program make.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think Sark is learning that a program like Texas that "recruits well" isn't quite the same as a Bama or Georgia of the recent past.  And learning himself that just stacking the talent like cordwood isn't all that easy.

And I think that's a mistake all of us associated with this program make.

Yeah, a lot of this. When a program like Tceh gets 5-stars to Lubbock and can go from bottom dweller to #7 because they have a billionaire with deep pockets who wants a hobby...the game has changed. And there are more than a thousand billionaires in the US when all it takes is one with some drive to adopt a program. Horns fans  are a bizarre duality of appreciating the difference NIL makes while not understanding the difference NIL makes.

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10 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

What do Arch’s teammates think about Arch? At the end of the day that’s what matters. They are the ones in the trenches with him.
 

"He proved today, he's a great quarterback and we're all behind him," wide receiver Parker Livingstone said. "He's the leader of this team and the leader of this offense." 

"Arch can make every throw in the book," wide receiver DeAndre Moore said. "It's really about what the defense is giving us. They played a lot of deep coverage and Arch took advantage of that. It was a really great game plan." 
 

and our secret 🤫 vey helpful Sooner teammate:

"He did a nice job," Oklahoma coach Brent Venables said. "We lost contain a few times to allow him to buy some time. And he's a good player with good skill guys around him. He played with really good poise and made some good plays in tight coverage." 
 

I mean I get it…I only have three quotes (Venables is like a Manchurian Horn man) and Wisner also bragged on Arch post game. I am sure I could find more accolades from other teammates.
 

But if we hope to sniff the playoffs it’s what his teammates think he can do to get them the W that matters. And they seem to believe he can. Hopefully, we can win out. 

I believe Arch's struggle was affecting the team which jumped to horrible life against Florida. Before OU, I saw the usual habit of Arch running around pre-game encouraging the team, and I wondered just how hollow it felt to the other players. Arch is sincere to the core, so it was not mere show. My point is that the team has spent weeks trying to encourage him. That gets old when you begin to believe it won't matter.

Arch's successful plays in the second half, improvised or otherwise, made him inspirational rather than struggling. The offense began playing with more belief and fed on Arch's plays where he turned third and hopeless into a fucking first down by gunning a perfect pass to the sideline while on the run.

Everything changes. 

I hope we can do this becomes fuck yeah, we're doing this, motherfucker.

Oddly, getting a couple of scores ahead seemed to have a temporary negative effect on stellar defensive performance. Were we suddenly more cautious and going victory defense? I don't know, but that changed, too. The end of the game was a slaughter. It was beautiful.

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4 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I believe Arch's struggle was affecting the team which jumped to horrible life against Florida. 

WTF.

Florida was coming off his best game of the season vs SHSU.

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8 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I believe Arch's struggle was affecting the team which jumped to horrible life against Florida. Before OU, I saw the usual habit of Arch running around pre-game encouraging the team, and I wondered just how hollow it felt to the other players. Arch is sincere to the core, so it was not mere show. My point is that the team has spent weeks trying to encourage him. That gets old when you begin to believe it won't matter.

Arch's successful plays in the second half, improvised or otherwise, made him inspirational rather than struggling. The offense began playing with more belief and fed on Arch's plays where he turned third and hopeless into a fucking first down by gunning a perfect pass to the sideline while on the run.

Everything changes. 

I hope we can do this becomes fuck yeah, we're doing this, motherfucker.

Oddly, getting a couple of scores ahead seemed to have a temporary negative effect on stellar defensive performance. Were we suddenly more cautious and going victory defense? I don't know, but that changed, too. The end of the game was a slaughter. It was beautiful.

We can win a lot of games moving forward if we can play the same complete game we did vs the sooners: efficient managing by Arch, defense being stout, have some run game by RB/Oline, special teams being neutral/positive.

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I normally don’t even look at this thread but I feel amazing this morning so I thought i would read all the good vibes going out QB’s way and what do I find?  Someone talking release time! Release time! WTF.

i still feel amazing you go Arch way to ball out!

 

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