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5 minutes ago, Derka said:

i just find it ironic when the people making the dumbest argument are the only ones talking shit.

Saying that he’s probably not hurt is not the dumbest argument, especially if he’s been wearing a red jersey in practice until now. 

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17 minutes ago, westexhorn said:

is this good mechanics or not? if not, then this shit should have been corrected at Texas after 2 years

have you ever been in a situation where its financially beneficial for you to fleece a client ? 

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On 9/2/2025 at 2:44 PM, Tex-19 said:

I'm pretty convinced that good NFL coaches are miles ahead of most college coaches. An average/good NFL coordinator usually seems elite in college..

I feel the same way. It’s interesting to see how the NFL is bleeding into the college game now. I think we forget how serious a lot of these players have been for years before they even get to college. From my limited experience with my own kids, if there’s a couple of elite kids in a grade they are getting put into NFL style programs around the 5th or 6th grade where they have 7 on 7, nutrition, personal trainers, the whole nine yards. They’re showing up to these colleges with teams around them trying to make the league. Then you funnel those types up to the best programs and it’s not that far fetched that a guy like Patricia can get them running NFL schemes at a reasonably high level. I think it’s great. 

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31 minutes ago, Da Fino said:

Saying that he’s probably not hurt is not the dumbest argument, especially if he’s been wearing a red jersey in practice until now. 

the argument was not that he’s “probably not hurt”, it was that he couldn’t possibly be hurt since it was our first game. and yes, that’s an incredibly stupid take. seeing the people giving that take calling others stupid deserved a call out.

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5 minutes ago, Derka said:

the argument was not that he’s “probably not hurt”, it was that he couldn’t possibly be hurt since it was our first game. and yes, that’s an incredibly stupid take. seeing the people giving that take calling others stupid deserved a call out.

Good god you are pedantic. 

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On 9/2/2025 at 12:44 PM, Tex-19 said:

I'm pretty convinced that good NFL coaches are miles ahead of most college coaches. An average/good NFL coordinator usually seems elite in college..

For the most part yes but college coaches have gone in and slayed.  See chip kellys first couple of years.  College coaches had to be innovative. Now give a guy on a redemption ark (ha) like Patricia nine months to prep well you saw the result

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3 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Is there anything Arch can do vs SJSU to change your opinion of him positively or negatively.   I’ll say I’m still high on but a 30/35 for 350 performance won’t really change much.   Now a 15 for 32 may make me wonder

Better mechanics leading to not missing easy 5-10 yard throws would have me feeling better regardless of the competition 

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The Joel Klatt take on the ticket today was that Arch was not good, but that the vanilla Sark offense, lacking the usual pre-snap motion, misdirection etc, that we ran did him no favors either. Patricia drew up an NFL-level defense full of extremely well-disguised coverages, and tOSU executed it to perfection.  That Texas wouldn't play a defense that tough again (under the assumption that even if they were to play tOSU again, everybody would know better what to expect), that Arch looked better as the game wore on, save for a few throws, and that he believes Arch will be okay.  

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23 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Is there anything Arch can do vs SJSU to change your opinion of him positively or negatively.   I’ll say I’m still high on but a 30/35 for 350 performance won’t really change much.   Now a 15 for 32 may make me wonder

I am more interested in seeing what the play calling looks like.  I'm tired of these conservative offensive game plans when we face good teams.  Imagine how good our defense would be if they could play a little more freely in those games.  PK is stuck trying to hold offenses to under 10 - 17 points and taking no risk as not to make mistakes.  When we play good team a 7 point lead feels like 50 points.

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45 minutes ago, TexanStuckInNebraska said:

I'm tired of these conservative offensive game plans when we face good teams.

Have you seen the wr core when Sark had good teams? Look at what he has now. This might be his worst stable in 10 years. Look at what he had at Alabama and for the last couple of years. 

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1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Is there anything Arch can do vs SJSU to change your opinion of him positively or negatively.   I’ll say I’m still high on but a 30/35 for 350 performance won’t really change much.   Now a 15 for 32 may make me wonder

Consistently execute pass plays correctly. That’s what I’m looking for. 

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4 hours ago, Derka said:

“hard cope”. are you 15? whose mind frame works like this? arch manning played quite a bit last year and he not only never played half as poorly as he did in week 1 vs tOSU, but he also never showed that weird throwing motion that he had going on for the majority of the game. so, it’s week 1, and the presumptive heisman favorite has the worst game of his life despite a clean pocket all day, he’s making crap throws left and right, and his throwing motion is noticeably different and awkward, and you think that the only possibly reason that anyone would wonder if he might be dealing with an injury is “hard cope”. that’s fucking stupid, combative, juvenile bullshit. 

Geezus Derka. Arch played a decent amount of snaps last year and all the things you saw against Ohio State were available for you last year as well. The throwing late. The inaccuracy. The throwing into double coverage. It was all there. Some of us were trying to tell you, but no, you went all in on the idea that Arch must've been on the bench due to some tinfoil hat loyalty to Ewers. When my own opinion was challenged I even put together some clips to point out those shortcomings which was met with vitriol and hatred, but now you are seeing what I saw. Arch will get better but he was not quite ready for the bigtime. I am sure he will go for 480 and 5 TDs this week and all will be good, but we need him to be better vs the OSU's and Georgia's of the world. 

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12 hours ago, Levi said:

If you throw that ball in the snapshot taken then yes, a lot of bad can happen. Wingo was open right off the rub which is the read and it gives Wingo plenty of room to not get decapitated. It’s a bang-bang play that Arch needs to be quick with trigger on. 

The ball to Sanders, are you talking about the one against Oklahoma?

That's not the read. The read is the one he chose. You have to give that a look as soon as you see your WR win against the leverage upon release. He wins to the outside with an outside breaking route. What Arch didn't count on is the shitty route running by Parker, who just rounded that route off, allowing Igbinosun to stay in his hip pocket. He needs to stem to create separation there and that's a TD. He must be emulating Wingo and his shitty route running.  

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3 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Is there anything Arch can do vs SJSU to change your opinion of him positively or negatively.   I’ll say I’m still high on but a 30/35 for 350 performance won’t really change much.   Now a 15 for 32 may make me wonder

Yes, him throwing touch passes well means it is not the yips. It was so bad I thought he might have gotten them on Friday. 

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6 hours ago, Da Fino said:

Have you seen the wr core when Sark had good teams? Look at what he has now. This might be his worst stable in 10 years. Look at what he had at Alabama and for the last couple of years. 

I think every receiver on the roster is a 4 star or above.  Besides he recruited these guys

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I think every receiver on the roster is a 4 star or above.  Besides he recruited these guys

Yeah, if the wr are bad on this team, that’s a Sark problem. His been at Texas long enough to have gotten what he wants or needs.
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9 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

For the most part yes but college coaches have gone in and slayed.  See chip kellys first couple of years.  College coaches had to be innovative. Now give a guy on a redemption ark (ha) like Patricia nine months to prep well you saw the result

Offensive innovation tends to come from the lower levels. Air raid, mobile QBs

Defensive innovation tends to come from  the NFL 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Offensive innovation tends to come from the lower levels. Air raid, mobile QBs

Defensive innovation tends to come from  the NFL 

 

 

I think it was like this during the evolution of the game in the 2000s but right now I think what NFL offenses have done to combat the defenses is far better than what’s coming out of the college game. 

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24 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Offensive innovation tends to come from the lower levels. Air raid, mobile QBs

Defensive innovation tends to come from  the NFL 

 

 

I’ll even challenge that last line.  Look at our DC lineage.   Bill Reese invented mugging.   Manny had the gator roll. Akina the dessert swarm. Actually Mad Dog invented the dessert swarm

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8 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

I’ll even challenge that last line.  Look at our DC lineage.   Bill Reese invented mugging.   Manny had the gator roll. Akina the dessert swarm. Actually Mad Dog invented the dessert swarm

46 defense

Zone Blitz

Modern 2 High Shell- Vic Fangio

Pattern matching Split Field Coverage

Flex Defense - Landry

all NFL

 

 

26 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I think it was like this during the evolution of the game in the 2000s but right now I think what NFL offenses have done to combat the defenses is far better than what’s coming out of the college game. 

NFL scoring has been trending down the last 4 years. I assume someone will find a scheme to break the trend soon

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1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

46 defense

Zone Blitz

Modern 2 High Shell- Vic Fangio

Pattern matching Split Field Coverage

Flex Defense - Landry

all NFL

 

 

NFL scoring has been trending down the last 4 years. I assume someone will find a scheme to break the trend soon

Scoring isn’t the tell all with offensive innovation and concepts. Especially considering how defenses are being played in the league now. 

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20 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Scoring isn’t the tell all with offensive innovation and concepts. Especially considering how defenses are being played in the league now. 

that is like saying track times are not useful to measure advancement in sprinting. 

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

that is like saying track times are not useful to measure advancement in sprinting. 

It’s not like that at all. What innovation and concepts are currently coming out of college football? Like I said when the offensive evolution started in 2000s it was definitely coming from college. Now college are applying the nfl concepts to their schemes because the better offensive coordinators in the league are doing more to combat the shell
 

Scoring is also down in college football as well because the nfl concepts from defense are trickling down. 

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All this talk about being conservative, if arch hits his wide open receivers - let’s just say the 6-7 passes we know of and flip to plays the Collins face mask and arch’s stupid sneak right when he shoulda snuck left and Texas wins 17-7, at least. 

I just don’t buy the game plan itself was an issue.

fact is Texas is still on the cusp like Clemson, Georgia and Ohio state were before they went on championship runs. 

yes 4th and go for it was abysmal, and arch made youthful mistakes under nfl style defensive duress, but I do think *if* arch can learn quickly that this team can still win it all.

 

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1 hour ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

I’ll even challenge that last line.  Look at our DC lineage.   Bill Reese invented mugging.   Manny had the gator roll. Akina the dessert swarm. Actually Mad Dog invented the dessert swarm

Don't forget the Orlando 30 Yard Blitz

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7 minutes ago, troph said:

All this talk about being conservative, if arch hits his wide open receivers - let’s just say the 6-7 passes we know of and flip to plays the Collins face mask and arch’s stupid sneak right when he shoulda snuck left and Texas wins 17-7, at least. 

I just don’t buy the game plan itself was an issue.

fact is Texas is still on the cusp like Clemson, Georgia and Ohio state were before they went on championship runs. 

yes 4th and go for it was abysmal, and arch made youthful mistakes under nfl style defensive duress, but I do think *if* arch can learn quickly that this team can still win it all.

 

You should watch Babers 2nd watch, he goes into with his normal zest for statistics. Game plan was extremely bland. One worry prior to the game was Sark ability to adjust to Patricia. Usually, Sark is lights out on game prep and questionable on in game adjustments. I think Patricia did something Sark did not expect and made his typical game prep useless. He struggled to make adjustments.  

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17 hours ago, Derka said:

i hate to be the one to bring this up, but last season there was zero shortage of, “quinn has obviously been playing hurt”, excuses, and now it’s like, “there’s zero fucking chance that arch is hurt, they wouldn’t be letting him play.” clashing takes aside, college football players obviously do play through minor injuries all of the time, so this idea that there’s just no chance that he’s dealing with an injury issue doesn’t hold water.

But let's use some common sense here. If the assumption is he entered the game injured (based on his terrible first throw to Moore on the rollout), then why would Sark not only call Arch running plays (including 2 inside the 10 and a QB sneak) but say postgame that he should have had run Arch more earlier in the game? 

People who haven't paid attention also questioned Arch's shoulder stretch/tic/whatever between plays, and it's been noted that he's been doing that since HS.

The simplest explanation is he was mentally uncomfortable out there and it affected his mechanics. It's not ideal, but most likely correct. He did look better in the 4th quarter, which would support that theory. 

 

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43 minutes ago, troph said:

All this talk about being conservative, if arch hits his wide open receivers - let’s just say the 6-7 passes we know of and flip to plays the Collins face mask and arch’s stupid sneak right when he shoulda snuck left and Texas wins 17-7, at least. 

I just don’t buy the game plan itself was an issue.

fact is Texas is still on the cusp like Clemson, Georgia and Ohio state were before they went on championship runs. 

yes 4th and go for it was abysmal, and arch made youthful mistakes under nfl style defensive duress, but I do think *if* arch can learn quickly that this team can still win it all.

 

This.

 

Plus we didn’t get pushed around in the trenches  (4th and 1 not withstanding) like Alabama did. That’s a team with problems.

 

Arch gotta get better though. 

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