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9 hours ago, markstanco said:


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Texas has always followed the letter of the law. {sarcasm}

Texas pretty much has, you fucking idiot. Are you one of the stupid Aggie level idiots who needs the difference in our recruiting now versus 2010-2020 explained to you?

 

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Someone his actually spoken with people dealing with the UT’s compliance department in the NIL era. 

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23 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Texas pretty much has, you fucking idiot. Are you one of the stupid Aggie level idiots who needs the difference in our recruiting now versus 2010-2020 explained to you?

 

Signed,

Someone his actually spoken with people dealing with the UT’s compliance department in the NIL era. 

I think part of the problem when the “everybody paid players” trope comes up is the general fan’s ignorance of the difference between $100 handshakes, which boosters have been doing at programs across the country since at least WWII, and the bag game and buying a few difference makers every cycle from street agents for $50k+. 

Yeah, I’m sure guys at Texas found ways to get drinking money over the years. And yeah, I know for fucking certain Texas and another 125-ish FBS schools didn’t participate in the bag game. 

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7 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I think part of the problem when the “everybody paid players” trope comes up is the general fan’s ignorance of the difference between $100 handshakes, which boosters have been doing at programs across the country since at least WWII, and the bag game and buying a few difference makers every cycle from street agents for $50k+. 

Yeah, I’m sure guys at Texas found ways to get drinking money over the years. And yeah, I know for fucking certain Texas and another 125-ish FBS schools didn’t participate in the bag game. 

Right. There’s a big difference between some boosters doing some small shit and an entire administration looking the other way when half your team is working at Big Red Motors, or the entire team is selling tickets for thousands and thousands of dollars every home game. The former isn’t “Texas.” 
 

ignorance is a nice way to put it. 

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This is probably covered elsewhere, but... These ostensibly punitive forfeitures, $25 million or whatever, to whom are the forfeitures paid? 

I mean, do the victims of scouting get some, or the conference, or hmmmm, the NCAA Executive Travel Fund? 

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4 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

This is probably covered elsewhere, but... These ostensibly punitive forfeitures, $25 million or whatever, to whom are the forfeitures paid? 

I mean, do the victims of scouting get some, or the conference, or hmmmm, the NCAA Executive Travel Fund? 

 

 

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3 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Right. There’s a big difference between some boosters doing some small shit and an entire administration looking the other way when half your team is working at Big Red Motors, or the entire team is selling tickets for thousands and thousands of dollars every home game. The former isn’t “Texas.” 
 

ignorance is a nice way to put it. 

My former boss was a basketball player for the Longhorns long ago.  Early 70’s era. 
 

He came up from nothing.  They had one car for a large family, which wasn’t uncommon at the time, and had no tv in the house.  They couldn’t afford it. 

He got paid $1200 cash under table each semester.   Use an inflation calculator and see what that equates to now.  It’s not Quinn/Arch NIL money, but it was damn good money back then. 
 

The athletic department asked him if he wanted a car to use while he was in Austin.  They said if they got him a car they would cut the cash payment a bit.  If he didn’t want a car as “his own”, he could keep the $1200/semester and he could borrow an athletic department vehicle any time he needed to go somewhere around town.  He couldn’t take it on trips home or out of town. 
 

When he had a particularly good game, there would be extra cash in his shoes in his locker after he got out of the shower. 

That was for basketball.  We know football is king and everything would be more in that scenario.

You people that think everybody else did it but not the largest university for years in the greatest high school football state in the nation are living in denial.  

I once went with the gal I was dating and her roommate to a pep rally before the ‘86 team was getting ready to head to a road game.  My girlfriend and her roommate were really jealous of all the LV bags that Eric Metcalf had with him and his diamond jewelry as well.   
 

Yeah, Eric’s dad was in the NFL years before.  They didn’t have the kind of contracts they do now.  Eric’s dad wasn’t throwing cash on LV bags for his son to use to travel. 
 

Metcalf is still the favorite Longhorn player I’ve ever watched.  You never knew if that guy was just going to bust a 50yd run out of nowhere.  

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One more side note:  I bumped into John David Crow at random a few times over the years.  First time was at his grandson’s basketball game in Houston. 
 

We talked all kinds of stuff but especially football.  He could not have been more friendly and he remembered me every time I saw him. 
 

Right after Cam Newton won the Heisman, I saw him again.  I asked him if he would divulge who he voted for and he said he voted for Cam.   He said his wife asked him, “Are you sure you want to vote for him?  There is a lot of speculation that he got paid!”  Crow said he told her “I have to go off of his performance.  There wasn’t any proof when it was time to vote.  Just speculation.”

He followed that up with “Hell, everybody even sold their bowl game tickets back in our day.  We even networked with players at other schools sharing info about what everybody was getting for their tickets that year.  I remember calling some guys at Bama to see what they had gotten for tickets to a bowl we were going to play in.”

None of this is Michigan level cheating, but the idea that some blue blood schools weren’t paying under the table is ridiculous.  

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10 minutes ago, Vanilla Strange Gato said:

One more side note:  I bumped into John David Crow at random a few times over the years.  First time was at his grandson’s basketball game in Houston. 
 

We talked all kinds of stuff but especially football.  He could not have been more friendly and he remembered me every time I saw him. 
 

Right after Cam Newton won the Heisman, I saw him again.  I asked him if he would divulge who he voted for and he said he voted for Cam.   He said his wife asked him, “Are you sure you want to vote for him?  There is a lot of speculation that he got paid!”  Crow said he told her “I have to go off of his performance.  There wasn’t any proof when it was time to vote.  Just speculation.”

He followed that up with “Hell, everybody even sold their bowl game tickets back in our day.  We even networked with players at other schools sharing info about what everybody was getting for their tickets that year.  I remember calling some guys at Bama to see what they had gotten for tickets to a bowl we were going to play in.”

None of this is Michigan level cheating, but the idea that some blue blood schools weren’t paying under the table is ridiculous.  

Everyone literally acknowledged hundred dollar handshakes and shit line that in their posts. I certainly did in my post that you quoted. If you don’t see the difference between that and dropping 85k in cash for a player to sign, or hugh freeze texting players to go see his guy on staff for rent money, I just don’t know what to tell you. Do you simply think Darrell Royal threatened to turn guys in because we were all playing the same game?

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41 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Everyone literally acknowledged hundred dollar handshakes and shit line that in their posts. I certainly did in my post that you quoted. If you don’t see the difference between that and dropping 85k in cash for a player to sign, or hugh freeze texting players to go see his guy on staff for rent money, I just don’t know what to tell you. Do you simply think Darrell Royal threatened to turn guys in because we were all playing the same game?

Inflation calculator shows my boss was getting the equivalent of $10,255 per semester in today’s dollars.  Plus performance bonuses left in his locker.   And a car anytime he wanted it.  For a Texas basketball player in 1970 or whenever he played. 
 

Think objectively about what football recruits were getting.  At every big football school in the nation.  
 

That ain’t $100 handshake money.  You aren’t comparing apples to apples. 
 

Nobody wants to see how the sausage is made.  The process for making the sausage is the same at all the big football schools.  

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20 minutes ago, Vanilla Strange Gato said:

Inflation calculator shows my boss was getting the equivalent of $10,255 per semester in today’s dollars.  Plus performance bonuses left in his locker.   And a car anytime he wanted it.  For a Texas basketball player in 1970 or whenever he played. 
 

Think objectively about what football recruits were getting.  At every big football school in the nation.  
 

That ain’t $100 handshake money.  You aren’t comparing apples to apples. 
 

Nobody wants to see how the sausage is made.  The process for making the sausage is the same at all the big football schools.  

I notice you can’t really respond to my points about systemic issues, athletic department involvement, their differences, but hey you have an inflation calculator and your boss’s story. Meanwhile, I have firsthand experience in trying to raise money from UT alums at the dawn of the NIL era to pay for the pancake factory, and an athletic department that tried to ignore NIL for a fucking year, and 15 years of Texas losing recruits to the SEC right around Saban showing up, and also know people who work in recruiting who know the dollar amounts kids like Jalen Waddle were getting who insist Texas wouldn’t play the bag game. 
 

I do know some Texas basketball boosters in the modern era would pay kids some amount, but not tons. 
 

But hey, your boss got to borrow a car whenever he wanted…with restrictions…totally the same as buying an Eric Dickerson a trans am, I guess. 
 

and to be clear, my stance isn’t some moral high round. I don’t need it to feel good about myself. I’ve been bitching for 15 years Texas wouldn’t play the game. I’m thrilled we are now that it’s legal, because for awhile that wasn’t certain either.

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5 hours ago, closetojumping said:

I think part of the problem when the “everybody paid players” trope comes up is the general fan’s ignorance of the difference between $100 handshakes, which boosters have been doing at programs across the country since at least WWII, and the bag game and buying a few difference makers every cycle from street agents for $50k+. 

Yeah, I’m sure guys at Texas found ways to get drinking money over the years. And yeah, I know for fucking certain Texas and another 125-ish FBS schools didn’t participate in the bag game. 

It got to the point where if I saw a top 100 recruit have some sort of combination of Oregon, LSU, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, A&M (Fisher era), I’d know with almost certainty we weren’t getting the recruit.  

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2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I notice you can’t really respond to my points about systemic issues, athletic department involvement, their differences, but hey you have an inflation calculator and your boss’s story. Meanwhile, I have firsthand experience in trying to raise money from UT alums at the dawn of the NIL era to pay for the pancake factory, and an athletic department that tried to ignore NIL for a fucking year, and 15 years of Texas losing recruits to the SEC right around Saban showing up, and also know people who work in recruiting who know the dollar amounts kids like Jalen Waddle were getting who insist Texas wouldn’t play the bag game. 
 

I do know some Texas basketball boosters in the modern era would pay kids some amount, but not tons. 
 

But hey, your boss got to borrow a car whenever he wanted…with restrictions…totally the same as buying an Eric Dickerson a trans am, I guess. 
 

and to be clear, my stance isn’t some moral high round. I don’t need it to feel good about myself. I’ve been bitching for 15 years Texas wouldn’t play the game. I’m thrilled we are now that it’s legal, because for awhile that wasn’t certain either.

I can respond, but you’re a Surly poster whose mind is made up and makes claims that can’t be validated so what’s the point?

🙂

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42 minutes ago, Vanilla Strange Gato said:

I can respond, but you’re a Surly poster whose mind is made up and makes claims that can’t be validated so what’s the point?

🙂

Which of my claims can’t be validated?  Because other than I know people who work in recruiting, the rest of it can pretty much be validated by this entire board. 
 

also, feel free to validate your claims. 

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4 hours ago, Vanilla Strange Gato said:

One more side note:  I bumped into John David Crow at random a few times over the years.  First time was at his grandson’s basketball game in Houston. 
 

We talked all kinds of stuff but especially football.  He could not have been more friendly and he remembered me every time I saw him. 
 

Right after Cam Newton won the Heisman, I saw him again.  I asked him if he would divulge who he voted for and he said he voted for Cam.   He said his wife asked him, “Are you sure you want to vote for him?  There is a lot of speculation that he got paid!”  Crow said he told her “I have to go off of his performance.  There wasn’t any proof when it was time to vote.  Just speculation.”

He followed that up with “Hell, everybody even sold their bowl game tickets back in our day.  We even networked with players at other schools sharing info about what everybody was getting for their tickets that year.  I remember calling some guys at Bama to see what they had gotten for tickets to a bowl we were going to play in.”

None of this is Michigan level cheating, but the idea that some blue blood schools weren’t paying under the table is ridiculous.  

 

23 minutes ago, Vanilla Strange Gato said:

I can respond, but you’re a Surly poster whose mind is made up and makes claims that can’t be validated so what’s the point?

🙂

Equivocating with the “everybody cheats” trope combined with the “i know players that told me explicitly about the dollar payments and all other arrangements” scenario is just awesome stereotypical football forum silliness. 

1) many of us have known ball players during or after their time at Texas and elsewhere. A guy saying that is unlike most I’ve encountered. Sounds legit.

2) no, everyone doesn’t cheat. 

3) for damned sure very few played the bag game. Texas did not. Go get fucked if you attempt to push that narrative further. Some of us lived this shit on both sides of that period. 

4) Cam Newton’s father was confirmed to have received $200k from Auburn through his church before the Heisman was awarded. The NCAA ruled that there was nothing they could do. Either you are lying about your interaction with John David Crow or he’s a complete dumbfuck and you weren’t paying attention either.

5) lauding an aggie for his personality and good guy nature while telling us that Texas has cheated like everyone else has aggie stink all over your posts. I’m not one to typically call that or care, but it is jumping out right here. 

This fucking guy is trending towards crowdsource worthy here. I haven’t checked his posting history, however. 

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4 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

Equivocating with the “everybody cheats” trope combined with the “i know players that told me explicitly about the dollar payments and all other arrangements” scenario is just awesome stereotypical football forum silliness. 

1) many of us have known ball players during or after their time at Texas and elsewhere. A guy saying that is unlike most I’ve encountered. Sounds legit.

2) no, everyone doesn’t cheat. 

3) for damned sure very few played the bag game. Texas did not. Go get fucked if you attempt to push that narrative further. Some of us lived this shit on both sides of that period. 

4) Cam Newton’s father was confirmed to have received $200k from Auburn through his church before the Heisman was awarded. The NCAA ruled that there was nothing they could do. Either you are lying about your interaction with John David Crow or he’s a complete dumbfuck and you weren’t paying attention either.

5) lauding an aggie for his personality and good guy nature while telling us that Texas has cheated like everyone else has aggie stink all over your posts. I’m not one to typically call that or care, but it is jumping out right here. 

This fucking guy is trending towards crowdsource worthy here. I haven’t checked his posting history, however. 

He joined almost 2 months ago. 

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17 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

What does that have to do with anything? 

Someone who just recently joined surly, which has been around and known for awhile, has a greater likelihood of being a troll or someone already crowdsourced, imo. 

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5 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Someone who just recently joined surly, which has been around and know for awhile, has a greater likelihood of being a troll or someone already crowdsourced, imo. 

I’m more interested in his posting behavior than anything. Not interested enough to go and actually look at it or anything, mind you. 

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45 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I’m more interested in his posting behavior than anything. Not interested enough to go and actually look at it or anything, mind you. 

Go look at the guitar thread on the music forum.  Thats why I joined Surly. 
 

I had an account on one or both of the Shaggys, I don’t recall.  And before that, way back in the 90’s, used to post on the ESPN football forums and Blacque Power and Jerome’s Chat (invite only). 

I got tired of the delusion of college football fans. The player worship, the grown men fellating themselves over star rankings, the always assuming the next new coach was absolutely going to be the answer this time, or if we didn’t get the coach we thought we should, it’s not our fault.  It’s totally somebody else’s fault. 
 

“TOM HERMAN IS BUILDING CULTURE!!!!”

Yeah.  Ok. But what kind?  Turned out to be more Petri dish than wine and cheese and opera and fine art. 
 

I’ve had the good fortune to meet a number of former athletes.  And they have all been good to chat with.  Except Andre Ware.  He seemed too good to talk to commoners. 
 

Santana Dotson was probably my favorite.  We sat next to each other in the press box at a Texans/Colts game and gabbed the whole time.  Great guy.  
 

So yeah, Crow was a good visit.  Don’t care if you disagree.  Typical fascist behavior.  Immediately try and shut down anybody that disagrees with you. 

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14 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I notice you can’t really respond to my points about systemic issues, athletic department involvement, their differences, but hey you have an inflation calculator and your boss’s story. Meanwhile, I have firsthand experience in trying to raise money from UT alums at the dawn of the NIL era to pay for the pancake factory, and an athletic department that tried to ignore NIL for a fucking year, and 15 years of Texas losing recruits to the SEC right around Saban showing up, and also know people who work in recruiting who know the dollar amounts kids like Jalen Waddle were getting who insist Texas wouldn’t play the bag game. 
 

I do know some Texas basketball boosters in the modern era would pay kids some amount, but not tons. 
 

But hey, your boss got to borrow a car whenever he wanted…with restrictions…totally the same as buying an Eric Dickerson a trans am, I guess. 
 

and to be clear, my stance isn’t some moral high round. I don’t need it to feel good about myself. I’ve been bitching for 15 years Texas wouldn’t play the game. I’m thrilled we are now that it’s legal, because for awhile that wasn’t certain either.

Also none of the usual cash involves football a football.  These are stories about breaking the NCAA's particular version of amateurism.  Signal stealing is much closer to the game itself. 

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Matt Hayes: Michigan replaced one cheater with another, destroying its once impeccable reputation

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In the long, illustrious history of dumb, Michigan hiring Sherrone Moore ranks near the very top. You want dumb? Let me show you dumb.  Michigan fired Moore for cause after two seasons Wednesday, mere months after he was suspended for a second time by the NCAA for cheating — while working for Jim Harbaugh, the coach Michigan sold its soul to protect from NCAA investigators during a national championship run in 2023 while he was cheating.

We don’t know yet if Moore cheated as the Michigan head coach. On the field, anyway. Michigan athletic director Warde Manuel released a statement saying there was, “credible evidence that Coach Moore engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a staff member” — and that’s why Moore was fired for cause. Isn’t that just a nice, neat bow to wrap up this colossal failure of a coaching hire.

So what have we learned from all this, kids? If you’re Harbaugh and the most beloved alum in Michigan football history, you can do just about anything as a coach and the university will defend you at the cost of its reputation — and a $30 million fine from the NCAA. If you’re Moore and a former Oklahoma offensive lineman, even a victory over Ohio State in your first season can't buy you time when you’ve proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that you can’t cheat without getting caught. 

At anything, apparently. Now watch how quickly Michigan turns on Moore. Watch how stories and anecdotes leak that Moore was never the right guy for the job in the first place. How Michigan panicked because it wanted to keep the momentum of the Harbaugh years — which brought unprecedented success and, finally, the ability to beat Ohio State again.

They couldn’t turn their back on Moore ― also suspended by the NCAA for his role in violations during the pandemic season of 2020 ― the loyal Harbaugh assistant who steered Michigan to three critical victories to finish the 2023 regular season while Harbaugh was suspended for three games. So Michigan knowingly replaced one cheater with another, and went further down the rabbit hole of shredding its once impeccable reputation. Because, you know, he beat Ohio State.

I can almost understand allowing yourself to be publicly flogged for protecting Harbaugh at all cost. It’s the mean media’s fault, right? No one believes the media, the fake news, so they must be wrong about Harbaugh and his knowledge of Connor Stalions’ advanced scouting scheme that helped turn Michigan under Harbaugh from a good team that couldn’t beat Ohio State, to a great team that did multiple times and eventually won a national title.

If it had nothing to do with cheating, Central Michigan wouldn't have admitted that while coach Jim McElwain wasn't a co-conspirator, he was "responsible for his staff's actions" in allowing Stalions on its sideline with CMU gear in an effort to disguise himself while scouting CMU’s game against Michigan State. If it had nothing to do with cheating, the NCAA wouldn't have suspended Moore for three games for his part in the scheme ― one game that was deferred to 2026.

If you don't think it was cheating, my name is Ford and I've got an Edsel to sell you. Speaking of dumb, and Michigan. If I’ve said this once, I’ve said it a thousand times: Harbaugh would never, ever, ever allow a “low level” staffer (as the Michigan PR machine quickly labeled Stalions) on his sideline to scream at his assistants about the other team’s play calls — while his assistants then changed their play calls in response — without knowing the complete ins and outs of the Stalions scheme.

Moore, of course, was the key assistant in that scenario. He was the offensive coordinator, the heart of the unit that had to figure out how to score points on, and beat, Ohio State. Just in case Michigan doesn’t know this yet, or refuses to admit it, that means Moore was cheating, too. That and the fact he deleted 52 text messages from Stalions shortly after the advanced scouting scheme was unearthed by the mean media — you know, the people who obviously lie.

So we’ll just stick this under-qualified, two-time cheater of an assistant coach into one of the Top 10 jobs in college football, and hope for the best. What could go wrong? Raise your hand if you’re shocked. If you just can’t believe what you’re reading. Who among us — except the brilliant minds at Michigan — couldn’t see this coming from Kalamazoo?

Unfortunately, it takes something like this to bring everything into focus. To sharpen the senses, eliminate PR nonsense fed to the masses, and elevate truth. To make it very clear that Michigan made this move one week after national signing day. After letters of intent (and NIL deals) were signed, and everything was moving forward for 2026 and beyond. 

If you think the university didn’t know it was firing Moore the moment it lost to Ohio State in late November — because you can’t fire a guy who beat Ohio State in both seasons, no matter the cheating — you’re the same person who thinks Harbaugh knew nothing. Which would put you at the top of the list of dumbest dumb in the history of dumb.

 

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Good for Tech.  He won't be their last good get this off-season.

To those upthread who seem to actually believe that UT played by the rules all those years: I'm not sure what you're smoking, but share it.

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3 hours ago, Uncle Nate said:

As a Tech fan, I would like to take this opportunity to thank Sherrone Moore for his poor judgement.  

 

 

“God’s plan” = West Texas oil money. 

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