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28 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I agree but when I pointed out he wasn't one of the best drivers last season a couple of people around here got mad like I was insulting their family. As I said then, age comes for all of us and it comes at different speeds for different people.

Leclerc outqualified Hamilton 19-5 this season. He's currently up 17-3 in GP finishes.

Lewis has won twice in his last 91 races. He’s 40-years old. Go home.

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16 minutes ago, PittsburghTiger said:

Lewis has won twice in his last 91 races. He’s 40-years old. Go home.

Agreed! He's fucking cooked. Age comes for us all.

Should have retired after AD21 btw

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1 hour ago, Goofyboy said:


Charles is used to driving the Ferrari shit box. Lewis was not. Charles just described his drive as a rally course.
That said - next year will be telling. If Charles is at the top and Lewis isn’t - he should hang it up.

True, but if Charles being ahead of Lewis still has him in an uncompetitive shit box of a car that means both things are true.

Time for Lewis to retire and time for Ferrari to try to be something more than a brand.

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If you are McLaren,  do you ask Oscar to act as the rearguard for Lando?

Tough track to pass on and if those two create a DRS train between them I am not sure anyone can get past them which gives Lando the title if they don't fuck up the pit stops, race strategy, or car set up.

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2 hours ago, Goofyboy said:


Charles is used to driving the Ferrari shit box. Lewis was not. Charles just described his drive as a rally course.
That said - next year will be telling. If Charles is at the top and Lewis isn’t - he should hang it up.

Russell was faster than Hamilton last year. 

In fact, I just looked it up and this is the second straight year Hamilton has lost GP qualifying 19-5 to his teammates. Including sprint qualifying, Hamilton has lost to his teammates 47-13 the last two seasons. When anyone else on the grid is getting destroyed like that people are asking if the losing teammate belongs in F1, with the possible exception of RB/Verstappen.

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2 hours ago, kevwun said:

Mercedes really should have timed George's lap to a get a tow from Max.  He would have been very happy to give it.

He still would have finished P2 if he had kept from losing the back end in both of his Q3 laps. Could have made things at least a little interesting. Oscar will push at the beginning since his only chance of a WDC is by winning, but I'm guessing it settles into a pretty boring race once it's obvious that the only way Lando finishes 4th or worst is a major mistake.

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2 hours ago, PittsburghTiger said:

even though I think he’s one of the best drivers ever I do think he was also in the most dominant and advanced car ever as well.

Some ways to separate the driver from the car is race consistency, control (eg tire management), and rain performance. 

Throughout his career he’s been superb at all 3 and especially the rainmaster title its a class of 2 with him and verstappen. 

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Agreed! He's fucking cooked. Age comes for us all.
Should have retired after AD21 btw


It’s been 12 years since Alonso won a race at all - yet people still say just give him a good car. Charles hasn’t won since USGP 2024. Lewis won a sprint race this year. But sure - he’s cooked.
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Well I mean he's probably a top 10ish driver this season, so he's definitely cooked compared to what he used to be but it's not like he's bad. 3 straight weekends out in Q1 certainly doesn't make it seem like it's getting any better though. 

And the defense that it's all a crappy car and team rings sort of hollow. It's still the 3rd or 4th best car on the grid and he's getting knocked out in Q1 and his run of championships was with an absolutely dominant car and team. Anyone willing to bet money that two time driver runner-up Bottas will be in the top 4 of the driver standings next year in a Cadillac? 

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But that's the question. How much of that is the cars and how much is it Hamilton sucking at the end of this season? Leclerc is still handily beating Antonelli in quali each week (Qatar excepted) and beat Russell at COTA. I'd say the Mercedes is nominally better overall than the Ferrari right now but not nearly as much as it's being made to look due to Hamilton's results.

Plus there's always the second Red Bull car to consider. I know Verstappen is ridiculous but there is still something going on over there. I can't believe anyone is that much better than the rest of the F1 field.

 

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3 hours ago, Goofyboy said:


Charles is used to driving the Ferrari shit box. Lewis was not. Charles just described his drive as a rally course.
That said - next year will be telling. If Charles is at the top and Lewis isn’t - he should hang it up.

Sure, Leclerc’s used to the Ferrari, but Lewis has had a full season to adjust by now. The reality is age has caught up to Hamilton and Leclerc is a top 3 driver on the grid. Even if the chasm narrows next year with new cars, Leclerc is just significantly faster and better than Hamilton at this point in their careers. 

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Well I mean he's probably a top 10ish driver this season, so he's definitely cooked compared to what he used to be but it's not like he's bad. 3 straight weekends out in Q1 certainly doesn't make it seem like it's getting any better though. 
And the defense that it's all a crappy car and team rings sort of hollow. It's still the 3rd or 4th best car on the grid and he's getting knocked out in Q1 and his run of championships was with an absolutely dominant car and team. Anyone willing to bet money that two time driver runner-up Bottas will be in the top 4 of the driver standings next year in a Cadillac? 

I would, but I’m not betting against one of my favorite drivers. I’d love for him to succeed.
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1 hour ago, Goofyboy said:

 


It’s been 12 years since Alonso won a race at all - yet people still say just give him a good car. Charles hasn’t won since USGP 2024. Lewis won a sprint race this year. But sure - he’s cooked.

 

He 24-0'd his teammate in quali this year.

He's in a back of the midfield car, they are 300 points behind Ferrari and 12 points ahead of Sauber.

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22 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Plus there's always the second Red Bull car to consider. I know Verstappen is ridiculous but there is still something going on over there. I can't believe anyone is that much better than the rest of the F1 field.

It's almost like he's one of the best drivers in the history of the sport. The guy had one year of open wheel racing then was in a Torro Rosso.

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