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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

My son is now 11 and these past 12 months in his select world (12U) and Little League (11U+12U), we've been around 6-7 kids with "little league arm" which is basically the pre-pubescent version of serious elbow problems. I don't get it. This isn't an overuse thing given all of the pitch count and rest rules for kids these days. 

I've heard it's a burgeoning epidemic in high school, even. In the 80's and 90's, it seemed like maybe a couple of guys a year would tear their UCLs and require TJ surgery. Now the Astros alone have like 5-6 guys going through the process. 

It’s throwing hard as possible for the pitches you can pitch. Too much games being played and not enough arm conditioning and just practice. 

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1 hour ago, Fug said:

Derek Thompson did a good podcast on Achilles injuries and prevention in the NBA. A large part was due to premature specialization in sports and overuse.

My friend says hims.com can help.  Wait, I read that wrong.

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Posted
21 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

As the doctor said, just playing nonstop all year causes issues. Plus while there are pitch count rules they are routinely not enforced and the kids playing in multiple organizations and multiple sanctioning bodies (e.g., playing LL and PG) certainly don't always keep one organization updated on what they threw for the other one. 

The counts in Little League are strictly enforced these days. The same is true for select tournaments. I get the skipping back and forth, so if parents are idiots, I guess that's a factor. I know I don't let my kid pitch more than once a week unless the first appearance was minimal, but he's almost always a starter so that isn't often. 

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I know when I played high school my arm would deteriorate towards end of year. Main reasons. Usually pitched 1 once maybe 2 times a week. Starter so decent number innings. 
 

Besides the pitching lots of infield practice from shortstop and 3rd lots of throws to 1st. Most kids don’t know when to dial it back so lots of arm use during the year if only doing 1 sport. 

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40 minutes ago, Vito Andolini said:

Johnathan Gray was never the same after carrying the ball 8 million times at Aledo.

Is 350/season a lot? 

 

/s

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26 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

The counts in Little League are strictly enforced these days. The same is true for select tournaments. I get the skipping back and forth, so if parents are idiots, I guess that's a factor. I know I don't let my kid pitch more than once a week unless the first appearance was minimal, but he's almost always a starter so that isn't often. 

Part of issue is also letting kids throw curve balls much to young. It is one thing at 10 to throw 75 fast balls and maybe a basic off speed. Make 50 of them curves and other "harder on the elbow" pitches and you can have issues emerge earlier

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5 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

Part of issue is also letting kids throw curve balls much to young. It is one thing at 10 to throw 75 fast balls and maybe a basic off speed. Make 50 of them curves and other "harder on the elbow" pitches and you can have issues emerge earlier

I remember being the first kid to learn to throw a curveball in my age group. Buckling knees, kids ducking out of the box… good times. By the time I got to high school my elbow would crunch and pop all the time at the beginning of the season. My dad was a fucking idiot looking back on it now. 

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40 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

I remember being the first kid to learn to throw a curveball in my age group. Buckling knees, kids ducking out of the box… good times. By the time I got to high school my elbow would crunch and pop all the time at the beginning of the season. My dad was a fucking idiot looking back on it now. 

Happened a lot when I played sports too but it was usually the ladies in the stands watching 

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Posted
3 hours ago, kevwun said:

There's an explosion of TJ injuries in baseball too.  I think athletes are pushing past what the body can withstand.

 

3 hours ago, closetojumping said:

My son is now 11 and these past 12 months in his select world (12U) and Little League (11U+12U), we've been around 6-7 kids with "little league arm" which is basically the pre-pubescent version of serious elbow problems. I don't get it. This isn't an overuse thing given all of the pitch count and rest rules for kids these days. 

I've heard it's a burgeoning epidemic in high school, even. In the 80's and 90's, it seemed like maybe a couple of guys a year would tear their UCLs and require TJ surgery. Now the Astros alone have like 5-6 guys going through the process. 

 

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

It’s throwing hard as possible for the pitches you can pitch. Too much games being played and not enough arm conditioning and just practice. 

 

1 hour ago, Shaddie said:

I know when I played high school my arm would deteriorate towards end of year. Main reasons. Usually pitched 1 once maybe 2 times a week. Starter so decent number innings. 
 

Besides the pitching lots of infield practice from shortstop and 3rd lots of throws to 1st. Most kids don’t know when to dial it back so lots of arm use during the year if only doing 1 sport. 

 

1 hour ago, BrazilHorn said:

Part of issue is also letting kids throw curve balls much to young. It is one thing at 10 to throw 75 fast balls and maybe a basic off speed. Make 50 of them curves and other "harder on the elbow" pitches and you can have issues emerge earlier

I think y'all hit most of the big reasons. I would also add the ability to measure and focus on spin rare is increasing elbow problems as well. Not to mention private lessons and such that aren't accounted for in pitch count limits.

 

*person who pitched too much and had bone spurs shaved down freshman year of HS and TJ sophomore year in college. 

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3 hours ago, closetojumping said:

My son is now 11 and these past 12 months in his select world (12U) and Little League (11U+12U), we've been around 6-7 kids with "little league arm" which is basically the pre-pubescent version of serious elbow problems. I don't get it. This isn't an overuse thing given all of the pitch count and rest rules for kids these days. 

I've heard it's a burgeoning epidemic in high school, even. In the 80's and 90's, it seemed like maybe a couple of guys a year would tear their UCLs and require TJ surgery. Now the Astros alone have like 5-6 guys going through the process. 

Ortho surgeons in DFW will agree they operate on more kids for baseball issues than ever before

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Posted (edited)
55 minutes ago, HuttNuts said:

 

 

 

 

I think y'all hit most of the big reasons. I would also add the ability to measure and focus on spin rare is increasing elbow problems as well. Not to mention private lessons and such that aren't accounted for in pitch count limits.

 

*person who pitched too much and had bone spurs shaved down freshman year of HS and TJ sophomore year in college. 

Also why the fuck are parents making their kids focus on exit velo when hitting? Especially wander the age of 13. 

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