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6 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Sounds like the son was violent in the past. I'm unsure if there was evidence that he physically hurt his parents or not.

I have a couple of extended family members with drug and/or mental health issues. If I had an unexpected knock on the door from one of them, I would hesitate to let them inside. There will be a money request and I don't know what would happen when I refused. I know there has been violent or destructive behavior from them toward others in the past.

I'm a believer in tough love. If someone isn't actively getting better for an addiction issue then they're actually getting worse. And if you're not getting better, then they need to be on their own. The Reiners had substantial resources but I bet it's not easy to take the step of hiring full-time security for protection from your adult son.

"Tough love" or loving from a distance is the approved way to deal with active addict family members.  Anything else risks enablement of the addict, not to mention safety and property of the family.

Still, it's incredibly hard to watch a close family member self-destruct.  Many times, that leads in fairly short order to a rock bottom for the addict and the necessary realization that they need help and acceptance of it and recovery.  Other times, it's going to lead to long term homelessness, jail, prison, and mental institutions.

I had seen an article in connection with the film About Charlie where the Reiners had used this approach for many years, but Nick remained incorrigible and they gave up and began enabling him again.

Fucking brutal.

I've spent a lot of time talking to and listening to the stories of addicts and the worst things I have ever heard inevitably concern their addict children.

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1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

More reported news from the Conan party. Apparently Nick Reiner was asking weird questions of many guests, and bothered Bill Hader, who told Nick that he was interrupting a private conversation. Nick stormed off.

Sucks for Hader if he is now pulled into the drama.

I keep thinking how much it sucks for Conan. 

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He was in the arraignment court today. In a suicide gown. Waived his right to a speedy arraignment. I assume the defense is going to pursue a "not guilty by reason of insanity" defense, which is probably the only angle they have. Will need to show that he was suffering from a mental/disease defect, and due to that disease/defect, was unable to understand the nature of his act or that his act was morally and legally wrong. Important to note that it cannot be based off of intoxication, or even that the disease/defect were caused by narcotics.

 

Nick Reiner appears in court on Wednesday in Los Angeles.

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I listened to Reiner on Bill Mahers podcast in the last month.  I believe he alluded to (or directly stated) taking in of his son to live with him.  It was very much in passing to another part of the conversation.  I googled but don’t find anything and haven’t had time to try to find the moment.  
 

Having heard him talk briefly about that relationship made a shocking story all that more surreal.  
 

God awful tragedy.  Just unfathomable.
 

 

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I think they alluded to it in the screenplay they wrote together, in that this seems like severe mental illness with drug addition as a symptom.  I think he said something along the lines of “taking drugs to silence the noise, but it only amplified it.”

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20 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

"Tough love" or loving from a distance is the approved way to deal with active addict family members.  Anything else risks enablement of the addict, not to mention safety and property of the family.

Still, it's incredibly hard to watch a close family member self-destruct.  Many times, that leads in fairly short order to a rock bottom for the addict and the necessary realization that they need help and acceptance of it and recovery.  Other times, it's going to lead to long term homelessness, jail, prison, and mental institutions.

I had seen an article in connection with the film About Charlie where the Reiners had used this approach for many years, but Nick remained incorrigible and they gave up and began enabling him again.

Fucking brutal.

I've spent a lot of time talking to and listening to the stories of addicts and the worst things I have ever heard inevitably concern their addict children.

Kevin Smith talks about how he eventually had to do this for Jason Mewes. Reverse was the issue... he kept on enabling Jay, and eventually had to just... not let him back in.

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