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On 6/30/2025 at 10:48 AM, closetojumping said:

I understand and generally agree with the sentiments in this post. That said, I do think being dismissive of the "conspiracy theory" that the guy was set up is hasty. Whatever side of the political spectrum anyone trends, pause has to be given these days to dismissing damned near anything immediately. How many Onion and Babylon Bee headlines over the last decade have then ultimately proven true or become true later? I know someone was tracking them at some point and both had hit rates in the double digits, which is disturbing to me. 

Case in point here, the female was a UU student, right? Now that he's being suspended and subsequently preparing to transfer, she withdraws the case, which was not a criminal case at any point. It's still farfetched as a set-up but it just got closer to not being totally unbelievable. I'm assuming that, what it really is, is an ex that got pissed off for some reason and knew that this would hurt the guy substantially. Anything benefitting or harming a school was likely a complete nonfactor in her decision-making and she wasn't put up to it by anyone else. Probably. Right?

I'm not on the conspiracy theory train with this one, but I also don't totally rule it out. There are some odd things here. The night in question happened in Nov 2023. Five days later the girl calls the police, but won't name who. She had a rape kit examination done, also days later than the incident. Police close the case because the girl won't name the person and she appears not wanting to take it forward. Her description of the evening is weird, too. Then, one and a half years later this surfaces out of nowhere and is a civil suit (no criminal charges). What's with that timing? Same time as when Jake Retzlaff is going into his final year making big money. It's done after the portal closes, doing maximum damage to Jake. Now that Jake's life and career are blown up the suit was dropped. Was the process the punishment? (Or, maybe its part of Globalize the Intifada?)

I don't know what to think. It's not clear that Jake is guilty or innocent. 

As far as the honor code goes, BYU has changed its approach since the Brandon Davies incident. They try to figure things out privately and more compassionately/leniently than before. With this matter involving rape allegations and then Jake admitting that they were together that night, that changed the dynamic. BYU can't be seen going soft on possible sexual assault when there is enough evidence that something may have indeed happened. 

It's sucky for all involved. 

Was looking forward to a special year in football. Now we have a big question mark at QB.

 

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25 minutes ago, Crockett said:

I'm not on the conspiracy theory train with this one, but I also don't totally rule it out. There are some odd things here. The night in question happened in Nov 2023. Five days later the girl calls the police, but won't name who. She had a rape kit examination done, also days later than the incident. Police close the case because the girl won't name the person and she appears not wanting to take it forward. Her description of the evening is weird, too. Then, one and a half years later this surfaces out of nowhere and is a civil suit (no criminal charges). What's with that timing? Same time as when Jake Retzlaff is going into his final year making big money. It's done after the portal closes, doing maximum damage to Jake. Now that Jake's life and career are blown up the suit was dropped. Was the process the punishment? (Or, maybe its part of Globalize the Intifada?)

I don't know what to think. It's not clear that Jake is guilty or innocent. 

As far as the honor code goes, BYU has changed its approach since the Brandon Davies incident. They try to figure things out privately and more compassionately/leniently than before. With this matter involving rape allegations and then Jake admitting that they were together that night, that changed the dynamic. BYU can't be seen going soft on possible sexual assault when there is enough evidence that something may have indeed happened. 

It's sucky for all involved. 

Was looking forward to a special year in football. Now we have a big question mark at QB.

 

So there's no hope of him coming back with the charges dropped?  Maybe BYU will not give such a lengthy suspension now?

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1 hour ago, Plorant said:

So there's no hope of him coming back with the charges dropped?  Maybe BYU will not give such a lengthy suspension now?

I'm with others on the fence of guilt vs innocence on the part of the accused. It's definitely a tricky subject and someone was absolutely wronged. 

That said, putting on the shoes of the accused, IF wrongly so, I sure as hell wouldn't want to stay in the city where it occurred. It feels part, fuck you BYU for not having my back and part I'm getting the fuck out of this town. Which, even if guilty tracks for a shitty human. 

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Daniel Hager: Brett Yormark claims Big 12 will be 'the deepest football conference in America'

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It didn’t take long for Big 12 commissioner Brett Yormark to make heads spin around the college football world on Tuesday. During his introduction at Big 12 Media Days in Frisco, TX, Yormark made some bold claims about the conference. “Once again, I believe the Big 12 will be the deepest football conference in America,” Yormark said. “No league offers the competitive balance that we do. Last season the Big 12 led the nation in fourth quarter lead changes and go-ahead scores in the final minute of conference games, and this year our star power (especially at quarterback) will be on full display.”

“The Big 12 returns nine starting quarterbacks, who threw for over 2,400 yards last season,” Yormark continued. “The rest of the power-four combined have just 11. We also boast one of the nation’s top coaching lineups, from Hall of Famers to rising stars. I full expect the Big 12 to earn multiple College Football Playoff bids this year and to show once again that we can compete with anyone.”

The 2024 season was the first in Big 12 conference history to boast 16 teams, led by Arizona State, Iowa State, BYU and Colorado. Those four programs finished at the top of the conference with a 7-2 record, all claiming premier bowl games. The Sun Devils claimed a spot in the College Football Playoff, where they fell to Texas in overtime in a thrilling Peach Bowl (College Football Playoff Quarterfinal).  Iowa State downed Miami in the Pop-Tarts Bowl and BYU dominated Colorado in the Alamo Bowl. Five other programs finished with at least six wins and earned a spot in a bowl game (Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Kansas State and West Virginia), going a combined 2-3 in such games.

Some of these big-name returning quarterbacks include Arizona State‘s Sam Leavitt (2,885 pass yards in 2024), TCU‘s Josh Hoover (3,949 pass yards in 2024), Iowa State‘s Rocco Becht (3,505 pass yards) and Baylor‘s Sawyer Robertson (3,071 pass yards in 2024). BYU‘s Jake Retzlaff was set to be a major contributor in the conference, but he just announced his departure after breaking BYU’s honor code.

Phil Steele has four Big 12 teams ranked in the top-25 of his preseason rankings (Arizona State at No. 15, Baylor at No. 18, Utah at No. 19 and Texas Tech at No. 25). TCU just missed the cut at No. 26, followed by Iowa State at No. 28 and Kansas State at No. 30.

 

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A deep league means more losses. You want a top heavy league so you get multiple bids with 2-3 teams with fewer losses. More parity in one of the middle conferences means fewer bids 

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2025/07/08/cody-campbell-college-sports-texas-tech-donald-trump/84408951007/
 
Campbell wants to “fix” college football by having the SEC and B1G share revenue from TV. 
 
And Matt Hayes is as much of a dumbass now as he was 20 years ago, when he wrote that Reggie McNeal was a better QB than Vince. 

That’s one of two reporters that I laugh at. There are others but they stick out. Sally Jenkins of SI was the other when she said the 91 Huskies could beat some NFL teams.
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The Big 12 will probably have the best last place team of any major conference and the worst first place team.

Although after last year's playoffs, it would be interesting to see the Big 12 and ACC champs play.  I think ASU would mudholed Clemson.

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3 hours ago, statsman said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2025/07/08/cody-campbell-college-sports-texas-tech-donald-trump/84408951007/
 

Campbell wants to “fix” college football by having the SEC and B1G share revenue from TV. 
 
And Matt Hayes is as much of a dumbass now as he was 20 years ago, when he wrote that Reggie McNeal was a better QB than Vince. 

Wait, the guy who is trying to buy Tech into sports relevance is going to "fix" college football?  

In response to markstanco's comment, Sally Jenkins career was made off her last name and her Dad did a pretty solid job trashing that when he became a bitter old man.  

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2 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

The Big 12 will probably have the best last place team of any major conference and the worst first place team.

Although after last year's playoffs, it would be interesting to see the Big 12 and ACC champs play.  I think ASU would mudholed Clemson.

You mean last year's version of ASU and Clemson?  Because not this year. 

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21 minutes ago, markstanco said:

You mean last year's version of ASU and Clemson?  Because not this year. 

Yes, last year.  I meant to say "would have".

I think the ASU team that had you on the ropes would have handily beaten the Clemson team that you handily beat.

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1 hour ago, PGFrog said:

Wait, the guy who is trying to buy Tech into sports relevance is going to "fix" college football?  

In response to markstanco's comment, Sally Jenkins career was made off her last name and her Dad did a pretty solid job trashing that when he became a bitter old man.  

I mean he’s proving the point of what’s broken, he’s purchasing players within the current wild west landscape. I absolutely hate that we’ll have to compete with that going forward but how can anyone criticize someone buying players for his alma mater when it’s completely legal? The article was tldr but I did browse and his primary proposal is that media rights be pooled instead of sold by conference. I think it would broaden the overall pie significantly. I would assume distributions would be based on ratings though so the more popular programs still end up way ahead. At least that’s a valid metric.

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Just now, 'stache said:

I mean he’s proving the point of what’s broken, he’s purchasing players within the current wild west landscape. I absolutely hate that we’ll have to compete with that going forward but how can anyone criticize someone buying players for his alma mater when it’s completely legal? The article was tldr but I did browse and his primary proposal is that media rights be pooled instead of sold by conference. I think it would broaden the overall pie significantly. I would assume distributions would be based on ratings though so the more popular programs still end up way ahead. At least that’s a valid metric.

The reason why sharing revenues works in the NFL is there are agreed up rules and the group as a whole work somewhat together and they don't try to skew the formula.  Teams can generate additional sources of revenue on their own, but the split on the league contracts are the same across the board. 

How does sharing revenues level things when he is one of the very people making an end run with money's being paid to players outside the revenue sharing agreements?  A common theme among the Big 12 coaches is we have fucked this thing up and there really is no control right now and they weren't referring to the conference. 

The problem is not whether doing it is legal or not, it is whether or not it is pushing things closer and closer to the next big change in college sports and that isn't going to be for the better. 

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33 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I mean he’s proving the point of what’s broken, he’s purchasing players within the current wild west landscape. I absolutely hate that we’ll have to compete with that going forward but how can anyone criticize someone buying players for his alma mater when it’s completely legal? The article was tldr but I did browse and his primary proposal is that media rights be pooled instead of sold by conference. I think it would broaden the overall pie significantly. I would assume distributions would be based on ratings though so the more popular programs still end up way ahead. At least that’s a valid metric.

Yes, let's attempt to go back to the time when the NCAA pooled all TV rights.

An antitrust ruling broke up the NCAA's monopoly back in the day. 0u was at the forefront of that lawsuit way back in 1984

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Big 12 coaches pick KSU and ISU as the title game matchup in Dallas

Since the Big 12 discontinued the preseason media poll, On3 asked each coach to predict who would play in the league’s title game. The coaches were granted anonymity and could not vote for their own team.

Kansas State led the way with eight votes, followed by Iowa State with seven, Arizona State had six and Texas Tech received five. TCU (three votes), Baylor (two votes) and Utah (one vote) were the other schools getting votes. Seven of the league’s 16 teams received votes.

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50 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Big 12 coaches pick KSU and ISU as the title game matchup in Dallas

Since the Big 12 discontinued the preseason media poll, On3 asked each coach to predict who would play in the league’s title game. The coaches were granted anonymity and could not vote for their own team.

Kansas State led the way with eight votes, followed by Iowa State with seven, Arizona State had six and Texas Tech received five. TCU (three votes), Baylor (two votes) and Utah (one vote) were the other schools getting votes. Seven of the league’s 16 teams received votes.

I just looked up how feasible moving the Big 12 CCG to Arrowhead would be in this scenario, but unfortunately the Chiefs are home that evening.

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59 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I just looked up how feasible moving the Big 12 CCG to Arrowhead would be in this scenario, but unfortunately the Chiefs are home that evening.

Arrowhead? Why?

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2 hours ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I just looked up how feasible moving the Big 12 CCG to Arrowhead would be in this scenario, but unfortunately the Chiefs are home that evening.

Yes, let's move more shit to Kansas City. While we are at it we should move the baseball tournament back to OKC.

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4 hours ago, PGFrog said:

Yes, let's move more shit to Kansas City. While we are at it we should move the baseball tournament back to OKC.

Baseball tourney would be ideal in OKC or Tulsa but it’s always during rainy season so I get moving it to Globe Life and now Arizona to avoid delays.

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1 minute ago, TrashMaster G said:

L'chaim.

 

That TCU education is really paying off.

I have been to both and there isn't much at either besides the schools.  

Thought it was nicer to say that than the middle of fucking nowhere.  Not Pullman bad, but not much around them. 

 

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7 hours ago, PGFrog said:

I have been to both and there isn't much at either besides the schools.  

Thought it was nicer to say that than the middle of fucking nowhere.  Not Pullman bad, but not much around them. 

 

That’s what I like about those places.  You get that classic “college town” atmosphere because the community utterly revolves around campus.

Ive been to TCU, and it’s a beautiful campus in a great city, but it’s a totally different experience than a college town.

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Yeah, middle of nowhere is great if it's the right college town.  I never want to live in Lubbock again, but it was great for school.

You shouldn't be able to afford jack shit during college anyhoo...cept beer and ramen.

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I could live in Ames again.  It's only 40 minutes to downtown Des Moines, and while Des Moines isn't a truly big city, it's really urban for it's size (metro around 800K).

But I'm a small town guy.  I grew up on a farm between a town of 150 and a town of 20ish.  I live in a town of 3900 currently.  It takes an incredible level of isolation for me to feel truly isolated.

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6 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Ames is most definitely NOT a suburb of Des Moines.  LOL.

I know, I'm saying to us, 40 min from the big city is nothing.  Most people's commute to work every single day. 

30 miles north of Des Moines? That commuting from The Woodlands to downtown. 

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5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I know, I'm saying to us, 40 min from the big city is nothing.  Most people's commute to work every single day. 

30 miles north of Des Moines? That commuting from The Woodlands to downtown. 

On a good day,  on a bad day, might reach North 610.  

I do agree that it is pretty funny listening to people react when they learn just how far people drive in Houston and the Metroplex and just the square miles covered by both. 

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25 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Ames is most definitely NOT a suburb of Des Moines.  LOL.

Check back in 10 years.  There's about 5 miles of real open country between the south end of Ames and the northern most Des Moines suburb.

It's not yet, but it will happen in my lifetime.

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1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

We're all going to be in the same giant ass conference when the SEC and Big 10 raid the ACC in a few years anyhow.

Farmageddon on 8/23 from Ireland? Who lost a marquee home game, ISU or KSU?

I hope the TV money and exposure is worth it.

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1 minute ago, DFW Horn said:

Farmageddon on 8/23 from Ireland? Who lost a marquee home game, ISU or KSU?

I hope the TV money and exposure is worth it.

They did.  They come to Ames in '26, and then in '27 the game finally won't be played (unless we both make CCG).  It will be 5 years without Farmageddon in Manhattan.  A lot of KSU folks aren't real thrilled about it.

This is nothing but a boon for us.

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1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Check back in 10 years.  There's about 5 miles of real open country between the south end of Ames and the northern most Des Moines suburb.

It's not yet, but it will happen in my lifetime.

Yeah it's no Ankeny... yet.  
I worked the area for about 3 months last year.  I also did the drive from Des Moines to Sioux Falls and they asked me what I thought.
"It's real pretty.  I loved the farmland and homesteads."
"No national folks ever say that.  How country are you?"
"Enough..."

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6 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Check back in 10 years.  There's about 5 miles of real open country between the south end of Ames and the northern most Des Moines suburb.

It's not yet, but it will happen in my lifetime.

5 miles you say? 

Do you realize how many strip malls with vape/ cbd store, cell phone store, tanning/massage salon, and a gas station with a wall of six liners that could fit into that amount of space?

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4 minutes ago, Al_4_ISU said:

Check back in 10 years.  There's about 5 miles of real open country between the south end of Ames and the northern most Des Moines suburb.

It's not yet, but it will happen in my lifetime.

So exurb, basically

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Just now, Iceman said:

Yeah it's no Ankeny... yet.  
I worked the area for about 3 months last year.  I also did the drive from Des Moines to Sioux Falls and they asked me what I thought.
"It's real pretty.  I loved the farmland and homesteads."
"No national folks ever say that.  How country are you?"
"Enough..."

Ankeny and Huxley are basically attached at this point.  If Ames had grown to the south as much as it's grown to the north and west the past 30 years, it would be one unbroken urban area already.

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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

So exurb, basically

Kind of.  A good analogy might be like Ann Arbor to Detroit.  Basically part of the same MSA, but a distinct and separate character and feel due to the university presence.

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40 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Only 40 min from the big city ain't a small town in Texas - that's a suburb lol 

Yep

30+ years ago Southlake/Keller was considered the sticks, but now it's just north Ft. Worth.

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