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    Thanks for the thoughts. The original HWH team getting the original IP out into the open and getting the longform IRS approval were instrumental in all of this. That's @SquishMitten @RGBIII @SydneyCar

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    Outside of unifying all initiatives under one umbrella, which wasn't a small feat for the parties involved, there are two really big things here: 1) All players in all sports will be making money

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    I went to the tournament and the gala. Kind of obligated on it and to pay for it, or part of it. It was all well done and a ton of money was raised. We’d committed to a nut for this new cycle for full

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8 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

Huh. Wonder what press they’re doin in return?

14 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

Do schools not normally pay for student athlete's means "for the duration of their respective athletic seasons"?  I remember when I was at UT back in the day there would sometimes be a line of athletes at chipotle and they would all order and then someone would pay the whole bill.  Is this a benefit for the athletes or the schools?

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Pete Thamel: Lawsuit seeks to allow top high school recruiting prospect to profit from NIL

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Jamier Brown, the country's top wide receiver in the class of 2027, is the centerpiece of a lawsuit filed in state court in Ohio that seeks to allow him to benefit from his name, image and likeness while in high school -- a move that triggered the state athletic association to consider changing its rules. The complaint names the Ohio High School Athletic Association, which prohibits its athletes from profiting off their NIL.

The lawsuit was filed Wednesday in the court of common pleas in Franklin County. Brown, who is committed to play at Ohio State, has earning power of more than $100,000 per year, according to the complaint. The lawsuit was filed by Brown's mother, Jasmine, in her role as the "parent or guardian" of Brown. "OHSAA's blanket ban not only singles out Ohio's high school student athletes for unequal treatment, but it also unlawfully suppresses their economic liberties, freedom of expression, and restrains competition in the NIL marketplace," the complaint states.

The lawsuit doesn't offer a specific amount above $100,000 that Brown could make if he could profit off his NIL. But it does mention trading card deals as an example of a monetary stream available to Brown as well as "significant non-monetary benefits" that include enhanced reputation and networking connections.

"What pushed me was knowing that allowing NIL for high school athletes in Ohio could be a game changer for a lot of kids like me," Brown told ESPN. "My family is getting by, but being able to use NIL would take some weight off my mom and me by helping cover things like tutoring, training and travel, which help me grow as both a student and a football player."

OHSAA Director of Media Relations Tim Stried told ESPN that the association has been preparing schools that a vote on NIL would be coming soon, one way or another. "We've been anticipating something like this will happen," Stried told ESPN. "Typically, when this type of legal action happens, it triggers an emergency vote by our schools. Later today or tomorrow, we'll determine if we'll do an emergency vote and what the timeframe of vote will be."

Brown is a 5-foot-11, 185-pound wide receiver who has been committed to Ohio State since November 2024. He plays at Wayne High School in Huber Heights, Ohio. He is ESPN's No. 2-ranked prospect in the class of 2027, the latest in the assembly line of talented wide receivers recruited to Ohio State by offensive coordinator Brian Hartline.

Brown told ESPN he wants athletes in Ohio to have opportunities similar to those of high school athletes elsewhere and to not have to leave the state to get them. The lawsuit states that Ohio is one of six states that doesn't allow high school athletes to profit off their NIL. "It's about creating fairness and giving us the chance to use our name, image and likeness in positive ways while staying focused on school," Brown told ESPN. "If this helps make things a little easier for the next group coming up, then it's worth it."

The complaint calls the OHSAA rules "outdated and unlawful," noting that the state has enacted laws to allow college athletes to benefit from their NIL. The lawsuit says talented athletes in Ohio are incentivized to leave for neighboring states such as West Virginia, Kentucky and Pennsylvania.

"I think Jamier's family is similar to a lot of families that recognize that there are significant opportunities to elevate their name, image and likeness," said Luke Fedlam, Brown's attorney with Amundsen Davis in Columbus. "He'd be able to help his family while still focusing on school and competing and playing sports in high school at the highest level."

Brown said his pride in being from Ohio was part of his motivation for bringing the lawsuit. "Being able to compete where you're from matters," he said. "Ohio is home, and I take pride in that, so my focus is staying here and doing my part to help make things better."

 

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7 minutes ago, MichaelDicksonFanClub said:

Kirby was crying about getting outbid on guys like Atkinson and Terry after the game

I guess I should have added context someone said we have top 5 nil in the sport to which oldest horn responded with that 

UTEP gettin’ cartel $ for NIL. That’s a game changer. 

 

1 hour ago, nnm said:

UTEP gettin’ cartel $ for NIL. That’s a game changer. 

 

Parody account 

2 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Parody account 

Ugh. Delete post, ban user. 
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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/47212583/georgia-seeks-390k-de-damon-wilson-transfer-damages

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The Bulldogs have asked a judge to force former defensive end Damon Wilson, currently the top pass rusher on Missouri's defensive line, to enter into arbitration to settle a clause in his former contract that serves effectively as a buyout fee for exiting his deal early.

Probably should have read your contract, Damon.

2 hours ago, Duane Moore said:

Is $30 million now the new standard for a roster?

 

 

For next season apparently. Then $50M. Then $75M...

With no meaningful regulation, the endgame looks like Tech and Oregon running away from the pack.

I'm guessing Texas will attempt to position itself in the upper echelon, assuming the BBs are in the box. But it no longer seems like they're leading the NIL charge. Whether that's because they aren't willing to bend the rules like everyone else, or the cigars are tired of Sark and holding back, or everyone else has just caught up... I don't know.

3 hours ago, TXpride said:

For next season apparently. Then $50M. Then $75M...

With no meaningful regulation, the endgame looks like Tech and Oregon running away from the pack.

I'm guessing Texas will attempt to position itself in the upper echelon, assuming the BBs are in the box. But it no longer seems like they're leading the NIL charge. Whether that's because they aren't willing to bend the rules like everyone else, or the cigars are tired of Sark and holding back, or everyone else has just caught up... I don't know.

Rev share enabled a higher level quality and quantity of competition, for everyone, but Texas is in the upper echelon. You do realize that Texas has the highest payroll this cycle in which they went 9-3, correct? Your post seems to indicate no clue on that front. 

What no school can prevent is finding itself in a position where some random other school shows up and offers a mid level 4 star some over the top value. Roughly 100 schools can now pull that stunt and it impacts blue bloods across the land. 

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Rev share enabled a higher level quality and quantity of competition, for everyone, but Texas is in the upper echelon. You do realize that Texas has the highest payroll this cycle in which they went 9-3, correct? Your post seems to indicate no clue on that front. 

What no school can prevent is finding itself in a position where some random other school shows up and offers a mid level 4 star some over the top value. Roughly 100 schools can now pull that stunt and it impacts blue bloods across the land. 

I knew they were at/near the top. $35M is the number I've seen thrown around, whether true or not. But $30M appears to be the standard next season. Other programs, somehow someway, are finding the money. Will Texas stay ahead of the pack and increase its payroll even more? The 2026 OL/DL class makes me question that. You had to be willing to pay big money for those guys, even before rev share. Are they shifting more focus to the portal?

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1 hour ago, TXpride said:

I knew they were at/near the top. $35M is the number I've seen thrown around, whether true or not. But $30M appears to be the standard next season. Other programs, somehow someway, are finding the money. Will Texas stay ahead of the pack and increase its payroll even more? The 2026 OL/DL class makes me question that. You had to be willing to pay big money for those guys, even before rev share. Are they shifting more focus to the portal?

The number is over $40M, but that also includes corporate. The Texas counter to the lunatic billionaire is that Texas is getting more corporate money than anyone and that is expected to grow. That helps in terms of being able to retain or go after non-corporate NIL guys looking at other big offers. 

Texas is going bigger on the portal than ever before, allegedly. To that point, some folks are willing to put their hand on the bible and say the multiple IOL are already locked up from the portal. We’ll see. 

Regardless, anyone handwringing over NIL isn’t paying attention. That’s not an issue. That doesn’t mean Texas won’t get outbid by random shit every cycle. They will. So will Oregon or whomever. Sometimes crazy happens and you just have to tip your cap. 

18 hours ago, closetojumping said:

The number is over $40M, but that also includes corporate. The Texas counter to the lunatic billionaire is that Texas is getting more corporate money than anyone and that is expected to grow. That helps in terms of being able to retain or go after non-corporate NIL guys looking at other big offers. 

Texas is going bigger on the portal than ever before, allegedly. To that point, some folks are willing to put their hand on the bible and say the multiple IOL are already locked up from the portal. We’ll see. 

Regardless, anyone handwringing over NIL isn’t paying attention. That’s not an issue. That doesn’t mean Texas won’t get outbid by random shit every cycle. They will. So will Oregon or whomever. Sometimes crazy happens and you just have to tip your cap. 

Amazing to hear. The fundraising narrative around Arch’s presumed final season is as juicy as it gets 

Man, that's a tough pill to swallow seeing over $40m and we can't even field a barely warm-blooded, stand up body to block for our most precious recruit we have had since VY. That's negligence at the highest order. Unbelievable. 

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Whoevers idea it was to create "NIL Valuation" should be drawn and quartered. There is legitimately zero basis in fact on any of it and is purely a guesstimate that dumbasses on the internet, and even media talking heads, take as fact. Kids and their agents will bring these made-up garbage numbers up occassionally and it is always hilarious when they do

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They've got their finger on the pulse of Texas NIL!

 

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2 hours ago, texifornia said:

They've got their finger on the pulse of Texas NIL!

 

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I love how they know all about our shit, but lack the self-awareness to see how shitty their own team is and got taken to the woodshed by us and lost to Miami at home. The vaunted Kyle Field. Toughest place to play ever. And they scored 3 total points. Maybe they should worry about how they're going to manage to get 8 wins and get back to their mean. 

Never mind we've been to the semis twice, but don't let that stop them for pointing out one year we didn't make it and we will still hafe double digit wins. 

4 hours ago, texifornia said:

They've got their finger on the pulse of Texas NIL!

 

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I figured there is no ROI within the nil landscape unless you consider bragging rights a ROI. money is not unlimited. aggy just making up shit that probably happens everywhere now days. idiots. 

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The All-SEC linebacker is expected to be among the country's highest-paid players after signing his deal with South Carolina, sources told ESPN's Pete Thamel.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/5079709/dylan-stewart

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/47403146/star-edge-dylan-stewart-returning-south-carolina-26

 

I assume this is hyperbole given Simmons matches Stewart's career stats in one season. Or, maybe the Gamecocks broke the bank in desperation.

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16 minutes ago, pacman said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/5079709/dylan-stewart

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/47403146/star-edge-dylan-stewart-returning-south-carolina-26

 

I assume this is hyperbole given Simmons matches Stewart's career stats in one season. Or, maybe the Gamecocks broke the bank in desperation.

They probably broke the bank. He's a good player, and I would like to have him, but he would be overpayed. Plus we don't really need him. We already have at least 2 guys that are better in Simmons and Lance Jackson. 

56 minutes ago, pacman said:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/5079709/dylan-stewart

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/47403146/star-edge-dylan-stewart-returning-south-carolina-26

 

I assume this is hyperbole given Simmons matches Stewart's career stats in one season. Or, maybe the Gamecocks broke the bank in desperation.

They locked Stewart up last year for $1.5M/year for the next 2 (25 & 26) seasons. Texas did something similar for a higher figure with Simmons then as well. I don’t *think* anything has changed regarding that deal for Texas and Simmons. 

6 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

They locked Stewart up last year for $1.5M/year for the next 2 (25 & 26) seasons. Texas did something similar for a higher figure with Simmons then as well. I don’t *think* anything has changed regarding that deal for Texas and Simmons. 

What kind of teeth do Texas and other schools have in deals like that if the player threatens to leave anyway? 

33 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

What kind of teeth do Texas and other schools have in deals like that if the player threatens to leave anyway? 

Some are suing or threatening that. Doesn’t seem like a good idea to me but who knows. 

Georgia didn't even pay the DE that much.  I think it was under 500k.  Not worth an ugly legal battle.

36 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Some are suing or threatening that. Doesn’t seem like a good idea to me but who knows. 

You have to set the precedent or everyone will just break their deals when they want.

I'm curious what clauses these contracts have to keep guys locked in though (both sides, really). E.g. an explicit buyout clause if they leave (which I thought wasn't allowed)? Something more vague? I wonder

2 hours ago, closetojumping said:

They locked Stewart up last year for $1.5M/year for the next 2 (25 & 26) seasons. Texas did something similar for a higher figure with Simmons then as well. I don’t *think* anything has changed regarding that deal for Texas and Simmons. 

There are guys who are worth every fucking penny. Simmons is one of those guys. 

3 hours ago, Tex-19 said:

You have to set the precedent or everyone will just break their deals when they want.

I'm curious what clauses these contracts have to keep guys locked in though (both sides, really). E.g. an explicit buyout clause if they leave (which I thought wasn't allowed)? Something more vague? I wonder

I mean- maybe. I’ve never had an employee with a non-compete. Figure it’s my job to make the workplace work for them and if I can’t or they suck attrition can be magical. 

4 hours ago, Tex-19 said:

You have to set the precedent or everyone will just break their deals when they want.

I'm curious what clauses these contracts have to keep guys locked in though (both sides, really). E.g. an explicit buyout clause if they leave (which I thought wasn't allowed)? Something more vague? I wonder

Yeah but paying a guy $30,000 of a $500,000 deal,  he leaves and you sue them for $390000 in damages.....seems a bit bitchy.  

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12 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I mean- maybe. I’ve never had an employee with a non-compete. Figure it’s my job to make the workplace work for them and if I can’t or they suck attrition can be magical. 

All dependent on how and how much of the deal they were paid on

3 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

All dependent on how and how much of the deal they were paid on

If you pay someone for work not performed that’s kind of on you, no? 

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Just now, Wulaw Horn said:

If you pay someone for work not performed that’s kind of on you, no? 

Yea.  But if I write you a check and you say peace out you’re a piece of shit.  So if I pay a landscaper up front and he walks on me i may seek legal justice.  
 

Im not familiar with the Georgia case.   If they paid it all up front and he bails the. I’m pissed for sure.  I’m a dumbass but still pissed.  If it’s monthly payments,oh well

Click the link above.  They paid him 30k for one season out of a 500k deal and now they are suing him for 390k.

22 minutes ago, skilesare said:

Well...this could suck.

 

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I would absolutely buy a national title with that kind of power all winnings. 

Mandel: The college football spending cap is brand new, and here’s how schools already are ignoring it

Last summer, following the approval of the House settlement, college administrators celebrated the arrival of a more regulated name, image and likeness (NIL) system that would curtail (in their words) the “false market” for athletes’ services and lead to a “market correction.”

Athletic departments can pay student-athletes up to $20.5 million this school year, and the creation of the College Sports Commission by the Power 4 conferences (not the NCAA) to enforce provisions of the House settlement requires that each deal meet a “valid business purpose” and fall within an approved range of compensation.

The first test of this “market correction” theory is currently underway. While the transfer portal does not officially open until Jan. 2, agents have been quietly shopping their clients all season, and now, college football general managers are negotiating deals for players known to be entering the portal.

The Athletic spoke with agents, GMs and school collectives to get a sense of whether the dawn of revenue sharing, coupled with more oversight of third-party NIL deals through the College Sports Commission, has reined in the so-called “wild, wild West.”

The consensus answer: Absolutely not.

If anything, the numbers are even higher than last year.

“It’s the same people who predicted coaches’ salaries would be suppressed,” said a Power 4 GM.

Last year, the highest-paid quarterbacks in the market, Georgia’s Carson Beck (Miami) and Tulane’s Darian Mensah (Duke), earned deals of more than $3 million (not including incentives). This year, the price for a proven player like Arizona State’s Sam Leavitt, Cincinnati’s Brendan Sorsby or Nebraska’s Dylan Raiola is expected to start at $4 million and could reach $5-$6 million, according to an agent who’s shopping a quarterback, a GM trying to retain one and a collective head who’s losing one.

If prices get that high, schools are either prepared to spend roughly a third of their rev-share budget on one player, or they’ve already lined up other parties to cover the rest.

In other words, the exact kind of arrangement that commissioners and athletic directors pledged would become a thing of the past.

“When you hear these numbers over the cap — no one can put that in writing,” Iowa State AD Jamie Pollard said recently. “So I don’t know what you’re going to (say to) the players. You’re going to tell them, ‘I’m going give you $2 million, and then you might get another $2 million?’”

Pretty much.

The first hint that programs aren’t heeding the so-called “hard cap” of rev-share came during the recent coaching carousel. Most Power 4 schools are allocating $13-$15 million for football. For a program like Iowa State, that’s a welcome step up from what they were spending before.

And yet, when LSU hired Lane Kiffin, “The Advocate” reported the school is “prepared to commit $25-$30 million annually for Kiffin’s roster.”

“That’s very clearly an institution saying, we don’t give a f—,” said the head of a Power 4 collective with a smaller budget.

And it’s not just LSU. Auburn, which hired USF’s Alex Golesh, “is positioned to be closer to $30 million next year,” sources told 247Sports. And Penn State “is committing $30 million in NIL money” to Matt Campbell, according to reporter Matt Fortuna.

And those are just the ones we know about.

To get to $30 million, these schools would need to generate at least $15 million in “over-the-cap” third-party NIL deals despite, in theory, having to submit every deal of more than $600 to the CSC’s NIL Go clearinghouse for approval. So programs have already figured out a way around the restrictions, or they don’t believe the CSC is capable of enforcing them.

Before we get to some of the nefarious cap workarounds already circulating, know that most programs are first pursuing above-board methods to stretch their payrolls.

For starters, many athletic departments have beefed up their internal staffs and contracted with multimedia rights (MMR) firms like Learfield, Playfield and Opendorse to pursue legitimate brand deals for their most marketable athletes.

“You have had the rise of the MMR partner taking a huge role, taking the role of the booster,” said a person who leads a Power 4 collective for a top-20 program.

Early indications are that the CSC is clearing most deals with established national companies, as opposed to those from collectives or boosters affiliated with a specific school.

How does that work? Opendorse co-founder Blake Lawrence says his company assesses the brand value of every athlete on a client’s campus and then pays the school a low seven-figure guarantee it can then dole out to its athletes. The onus is on his firm to book enough CSC-compliant deals to fulfill those commitments.

“It’s the fastest-growing solution we have as a company,” he said. “We’ve already signed some blue-chip brands and partners.”

But there are only so many players on a roster with the name recognition and/or social media following to earn a lucrative endorsement deal with Gatorade (Ty Simpson) or Samsung (Jeremiyah Love). A national championship-aspiring program still needs to come up with enough dough to cover the rest of the two-deep.

Some schools are also leaning into their apparel providers, like Nike and Adidas, which have long poured millions into athletic department coffers but never directly to athletes. For example, Tennessee announced a new 10-year agreement with Adidas by which that company will not only provide cleats and jerseys, but “offer unprecedented NIL opportunities … across all 20 of the university’s varsity programs.”

But that does not mean every player on a roster is getting his or her own shoe deal. Nike recently announced a 10-year extension with LSU in which 10 current athletes — and only two football players — received their own deals.

All told, Lawrence believes a school with enough high-profile athletes can secure an additional $3-$5 million in legitimate third-party NIL deals it can stack on top of its rev-share budget.

That may be more than enough for the large majority of Power 4 schools to fund their best-case scenario rosters. But not the ones pledging $30-million plus to build a national championship roster.

Which might necessitate some creativity.

For one, collectives are not totally disappearing. “The best practice is to keep all available options open,” the person with the top-20 program-affiliated collective said.

With the caveat that much of what one hears behind the scenes can be of a gossipy nature, here are a few workarounds sources say they’ve already encountered.

• Say a school agrees to pay a player $200,000. If his agent is taking a 20 percent commission, then in reality, he’s making $160,000. So, the collective pays the agent his fee directly, and the program saves $40,000 in cap space.

• Say a school promises a player $200,000, and wants to split it between rev-share and the collective, but it fears that CSC won’t approve a $100,000 collective deal. The parties agree to the amount verbally, then the collective submits smaller deals throughout the year (for autograph signings, charity appearances, etc.) that eventually add up to the total.

• It’s believed that at least one school’s collective paid their entire incoming freshman class what they would have earned in rev share, so that the payments don’t get counted against the cap.

• And then there’s the simplest, but riskiest, workaround of all: Just don’t report the deals. Which was probably happening already.

The onus is on athletes and their reps, not the schools or collectives, to submit third-party deals for approval. The rules as written say a school may be forced to declare an athlete ineligible if he gets caught, but nobody’s been busted yet. And they probably won’t be anytime soon.

The CSC enforcement of new rev-share and NIL rules has been delayed because all 68 Power 4 schools have yet to officially sign an agreement conference leaders hope will put some teeth into the process. Texas Tech, for one, said last month its general counsel advised against it due to several objections to the language. Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton followed up by sending a letter to all of the state’s Power 4 schools urging them not to sign. Lawyers are still looking at possible tweaks to the agreement.

In the meantime, a transfer may have to finalize their deals and enroll at their new schools without knowing how long it may take for the school to get approval to pay them.

“I suspect the money is going to get paid out (up front),” said one agent, “and in the worst case, the player has to pay it back.”

The NCAA Football Oversight Committee pushed the portal window back from December to January this year in hopes of making the calendar less chaotic for coaches with teams in the postseason. Rev-share and NIL Go were supposed to formalize the process.

But “nothing has changed, except kids aren’t able to take visits,” said an agent. “It’s the dumbest thing in the world.”

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Stewart Mandel is a finger fucking doofus…if anyone thought that rev share money was going to be a salary cap they are an even bigger finger fucking doofus. If anything, the rev share money acts more as a salary floor for big programs than any cap, for football. That article was acting like paying players outside of rev share is some illicit scheme or workaround, no it’s common sense and what the entire damn NIL law was about in the first place. How are we this long into it and people STILL don’t get it

46 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Stewart Mandel is a finger fucking doofus…if anyone thought that rev share money was going to be a salary cap they are an even bigger finger fucking doofus. If anything, the rev share money acts more as a salary floor for big programs than any cap, for football. That article was acting like paying players outside of rev share is some illicit scheme or workaround, no it’s common sense and what the entire damn NIL law was about in the first place. How are we this long into it and people STILL don’t get it

Absolutely agree with the characterization of Mandel and that a good amount of this stuff is assumed but thought the mechanics of how the negotiations work still has value which is why I posted it

1 hour ago, RGBIII said:

Stewart Mandel is a finger fucking doofus…if anyone thought that rev share money was going to be a salary cap they are an even bigger finger fucking doofus. If anything, the rev share money acts more as a salary floor for big programs than any cap, for football. That article was acting like paying players outside of rev share is some illicit scheme or workaround, no it’s common sense and what the entire damn NIL law was about in the first place. How are we this long into it and people STILL don’t get it

You act like finger fucking is bad, bro. I've finger fucked many chicks I regret, but my fingers got to fuck so my penis didn't have to put in the work. Stewart Mandel and co are just retards who slowly drink the leaking liquid of prostate cancer out of an enema bag in real time. That's their daily nourishment.

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