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1 hour ago, immamac said:

Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 

Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 

He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season

Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

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9 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Texas fans on Twitter, TikTok, IG, etc.

Oh for fuck's sake some stupid talking head says something stupid and you use it in an argument with a bunch of people who aren't saying anything of the sort?   Seek help.

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8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

 

Oh for fuck's sake some stupid talking head says something stupid and you use it in an argument with a bunch of people who aren't saying anything of the sort?   Seek help.

It's quite literally the narrative outside of Surly. 

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 

Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 

He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season

Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

Shit, man, it's meaningless but I can agree with this take. It feels like a lot of us get pushed into a this-or-that corner with no space for argument, and by a relatively small number of choose-sides contributors.

But, you know, congrats on having the Worst. Thread. Ever. now that the wrestling forum is gone.

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Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 
Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 
He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 
He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 
He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season
Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

I’m telling you, we don’t do mediocre well at QB. Take Jake Majors, or Jerrin Thompson, or Gbenda. Adequate college players. Drafted late or not at all. Could make an NFL roster, or maybe not. We don’t fight about them.

But Ewers is a QB, and we put those into two categories: Legends, and absolute fucking garbage who we will piss on for eternity. The legends are easy (VY, Colt) as are the others (Gilbert, Swoopes).

The ones in the middle are where the fights happen. Chris Simms, Sam Ehlinger, Quinn Ewers.
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1 hour ago, immamac said:

Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 

Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 

He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season

Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

you mentioned this earlier but I think his inconsistency is directly tied to always being injured/coming back from injuries. He wasn't the same player against Georgia that he was against Michigan.

Daniel Jeremiah mentioned that he didn't feel that Ewers took that "next step" this year. It's hard to grow as a player when you're spending 4-6 weeks every season in the trainer's room rehabbing another injury.

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39 minutes ago, immamac said:

Also, there's a lot besides his play that has to do with that narrative - I also think that without Quinn coming back that Texas would have taken significantly longer to become dominant, and that's not because he was just some guy that put everyone on his back, it was because it made Texas relevant and he was a significant draw for A LOT of additional talent, especially on the offensive side of the ball. He also started off with a very high floor, even when quinn was playing poorly it was still good enough to win the majority of the games. He definitely had some help with schedule etc early on with a really weak big xii and an Oklahoma that was floundering etc but lets not sit here and fucking pretend that we are where we are without Quinn transferring in from Ohio State. The gravitational pull he had, and kept even after his first season was incredible. 

You’re going to have to do some reconciling for me here.

First, Sark has NFL ties.  He was OC for a Heisman QB with multiple highly drafted WRs/RBs.  Presumably that was a draw here for Ewers.  That draw for other QBs is here whether Ewers ever shows up, right?

You referenced the draws for other offensive guys.  We are now in year 5 of the Sark regime.  3 NFL TEs later, none of which Sark recruited. In year 5, we got a portal TE because we were not satisfied with our TE.

WR.  Worthy here already.  Whitt here already.  I guess maybe Mitchell but after 2022?  I suppose Bond, Golden, Boldin.  But none the less the high school pipeline has had modest returns.  Year 5, and we’re still hitting the portal.  

I suppose the Oline guys that all committed about the same time, but there were certainly other factors at play.  Conner, Majors, Jones were all here.

The RB room.  Pretty stacked when Sark arrived.  Injuries impacted it last year.  I guess #4 who has had somewhat limited impact thus far.

Coburn, Ojomo, Sweat, Murphy, Collins, Broughton, DMO, Ford, Jahdae, Sorrell, Taaffe all were here.  Then guys who contributed Gbenda, Blackwell, Thompson.  Odd that Collin Simmons would come for one year to watch Ewers from the sideline.

Perhaps he did some behind the scenes work to keep guys here.  It’s all pretty convoluted with NIL and all associated with that.

 

It is true that you change any variable about the past then the outcome changes.  And we’ve had pretty good outcomes the past two years.

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34 minutes ago, Red Five said:


I’m telling you, we don’t do mediocre well at QB. Take Jake Majors, or Jerrin Thompson, or Gbenda. Adequate college players. Drafted late or not at all. Could make an NFL roster, or maybe not. We don’t fight about them.
 

There’s been ample complaints about those guys. Quite often more negative than positive.  But, yes, the QB amplifies that by a 1000.

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24 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

WR.  Worthy here already.  Whitt here already.  I guess maybe Mitchell but after 2022?  I suppose Bond, Golden, Boldin.  But none the less the high school pipeline has had modest returns.

"Modest" given the older guys on the roster, but Wingo (at least) shows clear NFL potential.  Cook could have.

I don't think it's ridiculous to say that Ewers had a part in bringing in a lot of talent.

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Whats happened in this thread is there are essentially 3 schools of thought, and all of them are very common, particularly regarding the QB within Texas sports.

You have one small group who's decided to largely hate on Quinn.

You have one group that thinks Quinn is the sole reason we won every game and the ONLY reason Texas is is back contenting for championships. 

Then you have a third group that recognized what Quinn brought to Texas football regarding recruiting and visibility as well as his skills and contributions on the field. That same third group largely started to see the issues and flaws in Quinns game. However, anytime they supported Quinn or criticized Quinn group 1 or 2 went full regards on why those people were idiots. Some of this 3rd group even pointed out that not making a shift in 2024 when it was clear Quinn had dropped off, was not best for the long term vision. Sometimes those same people made sure it was clear, THAT choice, not to switch fell fully on the head coach Sark.

However, just like in politics, the more rational, even keeled folks that saw flaws and good things in Quinn's play or that he was "painfully adequate" were always shouted down by outliers on one side or the other. Its continued with silly "In Quinn we trust and we love you Quinn" posts to "Why do people want to see Quinn fail in the NFL so badly". Those are the squeaky wheels that get the grease.

The people in the middle, that want Quinn to succeed in the NFL but feel vindicated by the NFL agreement that he's painfully adequate and may well not succeed are overlooked or ignored. The people that both recognize his contributions and flaws while refusing to hero worship are flumoxed by the continuous binary views on either side. 

It's pretty much just like any politics discussion. The people on team 1 or 2 believe if you're not on THEIR team, you're on the other team. 

We aren't on either team. 

But I'm sure they will lob me and this post into one of them.

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28 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

You’re going to have to do some reconciling for me here.

First, Sark has NFL ties.  He was OC for a Heisman QB with multiple highly drafted WRs/RBs.  Presumably that was a draw here for Ewers.  That draw for other QBs is here whether Ewers ever shows up, right?

You referenced the draws for other offensive guys.  We are now in year 5 of the Sark regime.  3 NFL TEs later, none of which Sark recruited. In year 5, we got a portal TE because we were not satisfied with our TE.

WR.  Worthy here already.  Whitt here already.  I guess maybe Mitchell but after 2022?  I suppose Bond, Golden, Boldin.  But none the less the high school pipeline has had modest returns.  Year 5, and we’re still hitting the portal.  

I suppose the Oline guys that all committed about the same time, but there were certainly other factors at play.  Conner, Majors, Jones were all here.

The RB room.  Pretty stacked when Sark arrived.  Injuries impacted it last year.  I guess #4 who has had somewhat limited impact thus far.

Coburn, Ojomo, Sweat, Murphy, Collins, Broughton, DMO, Ford, Jahdae, Sorrell, Taaffe all were here.  Then guys who contributed Gbenda, Blackwell, Thompson.  Odd that Collin Simmons would come for one year to watch Ewers from the sideline.

Perhaps he did some behind the scenes work to keep guys here.  It’s all pretty convoluted with NIL and all associated with that.

 

It is true that you change any variable about the past then the outcome changes.  And we’ve had pretty good outcomes the past two years.

Does anyone think Arch Manning would have come to Texas if we had some other golden boy with years of eligibility at QB? Or if Quinn was a jackass? People don't give Ewers the credit he deserves for handling that with such grace and relaxation.

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3 hours ago, immamac said:

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

I mean... it's not head-scratching. That's why I keep pointing out Kurt Warner's analysis; there's no mystery at all to why some of his passes worked and some didn't. None. Zero. Zip.

1. He got sloppy with his footwork and trusted his arm too much. A classic case of someone relying on their talent beyond the point where that's really possible.

2. He made incorrect reads or made the reads too slowly. Honestly, he was better at this than most of the guys drafted ahead of him.

And that's why I think this discussion is dumb: The good and bad of Ewers are all well-known, but people are trying to talk around it and avoid the facts for whatever stupid reason they have.

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:


I’m telling you, we don’t do mediocre well at QB. Take Jake Majors, or Jerrin Thompson, or Gbenda. Adequate college players. Drafted late or not at all. Could make an NFL roster, or maybe not. We don’t fight about them.

But Ewers is a QB, and we put those into two categories: Legends, and absolute fucking garbage who we will piss on for eternity. The legends are easy (VY, Colt) as are the others (Gilbert, Swoopes).

The ones in the middle are where the fights happen. Chris Simms, Sam Ehlinger, Quinn Ewers.

This is spot on. The QBs who aren't definitive undeniable studs are the ones that cause the most aneurysms. Probably with any fan base.

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How the fuck has this thread grown 10 pages since sunday, if not more...and this many since the end of the draft. Jesus.

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3 hours ago, Park Gothic said:

It's a bimodal curve where he has high highs but low lows,

this reminds me more of james brown, chris simms, or young VY. ewers was mostly below average with a handful of “wow” throws per game. not to mention those throws were almost (literally?) exclusively touch passes where he lobbed a teardrop into a tight window. it was never him firing a bullet through a tight window, or him scrambling, keeping the play alive, and throwing across his body for a big time 3rd and 8 conversion. it was always him throwing a teardrop from a clean pocket. that’s his special skill.

so i wouldn’t describe him as an up and down qb, i’d describe him as a consistently below average qb who would occasionally make a touch pass that made you say “wow”. but with that said, throwing the ball is only a small fraction of what a qb does, and his occasional spectacular throws don’t come close to evening out the rest of his below average abilities and performance.

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Does anyone think Arch Manning would have come to Texas if we had some other golden boy with years of eligibility at QB? Or if Quinn was a jackass? People don't give Ewers the credit he deserves for handling that with such grace and relaxation.

Arch said he came because of Sark and the qb coach, didn’t he?
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25 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

You have one group that thinks Quinn is the sole reason we won every game and the ONLY reason Texas is is back contenting for championships. 

Can you please name names?  From surlyhorns?  I keep asking this, and nobody seems to be able to point the finger.

I'll suggest two:  @strawman and @redherring

It's bullshit.

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25 minutes ago, Drew said:

How the fuck has this thread grown 10 pages since sunday, if not more...and this many since the end of the draft. Jesus.

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It's a mystery to me. 😉

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Jake Majors ended up being good, the other tw

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Take Jake Majors, or Jerrin Thompson, or Gbenda

Jake Majors was bitched about a ton early, he got better but ended up average but we saw improvement.

Jerrin Thompson was slow and ass, so he transferred.

Gbenda was found goods....I don't think many expected him to contribute so any positives was a win.

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16 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Can you please name names?  From surlyhorns?  I keep asking this, and nobody seems to be able to point the finger.

I'll suggest two:  @strawman and @redherring

It's bullshit.

Lol you and I covered this ground before @Thatguywas the clear leader but there are plenty of others.

But here we are again... 

How many "Quinn brought us back." Posts would you like me to find?

If you're so tone def you only see 1 side of the anti/pro aspects...  guess what... 😘

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:


I’m telling you, we don’t do mediocre well at QB. Take Jake Majors, or Jerrin Thompson, or Gbenda. Adequate college players. Drafted late or not at all. Could make an NFL roster, or maybe not. We don’t fight about them.

But Ewers is a QB, and we put those into two categories: Legends, and absolute fucking garbage who we will piss on for eternity. The legends are easy (VY, Colt) as are the others (Gilbert, Swoopes).

The ones in the middle are where the fights happen. Chris Simms, Sam Ehlinger, Quinn Ewers.

that's not unique to Austin by any stretch, that's just football fandom. The QB is the lightning rod position. If you're winning national championships/superbowls or at least exceeding fan expectations more often than not, the weather is pretty sunny. If a team continually fails to meet the fanbase's expectations, then the QB gets lit up. Its the nature of the position. 

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43 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

I mean... it's not head-scratching. That's why I keep pointing out Kurt Warner's analysis; there's no mystery at all to why some of his passes worked and some didn't. None. Zero. Zip.

1. He got sloppy with his footwork and trusted his arm too much. A classic case of someone relying on their talent beyond the point where that's really possible.

2. He made incorrect reads or made the reads too slowly. Honestly, he was better at this than most of the guys drafted ahead of him.

And that's why I think this discussion is dumb: The good and bad of Ewers are all well-known, but people are trying to talk around it and avoid the facts for whatever stupid reason they have.

You gravitate to Warner's analysis because he's soft in his analysis and it caters to your own thoughts. The next video Warner puts how that is harshly critical of a QB will be his first. Also you're giant pussy.

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Jake Majors ended up being good, the other tw
Jake Majors was bitched about a ton early, he got better but ended up average but we saw improvement.
Jerrin Thompson was slow and ass, so he transferred.
Gbenda was found goods....I don't think many expected him to contribute so any positives was a win.

Yeah they all got there different ways, but I just used them as examples of, like Ewers, adequate college players. We want our QBs to be either heroes or villains.

Ewers is pretty unique though because he’s like an MC Escher painting. We spent three years thinking he was always improving, but then at the end you go back and look at his play when he first got here and go “Man what happened to that guy?”
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1 minute ago, Red Five said:


Yeah they all got there different ways, but I just used them as examples of, like Ewers, adequate college players. We want our QBs to be either heroes or villains.

Ewers is pretty unique though because he’s like an MC Escher painting. We spent three years thinking he was always improving, but then at the end you go back and look at his play when he first got here and go “Man what happened to that guy?”

What's even stranger is you can do that same thing over the course of seasons and games.

There are games where he looks like an aggie scrub one quarter and a Heisman trophy candidate the next. 

I think that bi-polar aspect contributes to the inability to see him as extraordinarily average over his tenure at Texas. 

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38 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Lol you and I covered this ground before @Thatguywas the clear leader but there are plenty of others.

If you can produce one post on surly that claims Quinn Ewers was the sole reason we succeeded the past two years I'll kick in another $100 to Mobile Loaves & Fishes.

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something about quinn that doesn’t get talked about nearly as much as we talk about the rest of his flaws is the fact that he basically cannot improvise, which is just a non starter for a modern qb. you don’t have to be lamar jackson or pat mahomes, but even brock purdy can move around, extend plays, and make improvised throws from outside the pocket. QE will occasionally sprint forward when field just completely opens up in front of him, but his near total inability to improvise, extend the plays, and make something happen off script is going to doom him in the nfl, just as it doomed our title hopes the past two seasons.

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21 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:


Arch said he came because of Sark and the qb coach, didn’t he?

My point is that our super highly regarded, heisman-talk (at the time) QB, with years of eligibility remaining, could have made that situation untenable -- and Arch could easily have passed -- but Ewers made it as easy as anybody possibly could under the circumstances, and he deserves credit for that.

That's at least my reason for sticking up for the guy when people say he sucked. Not only did he not suck, on the whole, he could have made the whole vibe a fucking slog, and he didn't. 

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37 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Lol you and I covered this ground before @Thatguywas the clear leader but there are plenty of others.

But here we are again... 

How many "Quinn brought us back." Posts would you like me to find?

If you're so tone def you only see 1 side of the anti/pro aspects...  guess what... 😘

Lol. Nobody and I mean nobody thinks Quinn was the sole reason we won games. What I DO THINK is that our quarterback woes since Colt are why we were wandering in the desert and we finally got a solid one who was able to take advantage of the tools we had. What's weird to a lot of us is how quickly this place forgot what our other quarterbacks looked like. We went from excited to be competitive to dumb shit like insert mediocre qb would've been more successful in this offense than Ewers, as if he had nothing to do with us winning games.

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Lol. Nobody and I mean nobody thinks Quinn was the sole reason we won games. What I DO THINK is that our quarterback woes since Colt are why we were wandering in the desert and we finally got a solid one who was able to take advantage of the tools we had. What's weird to a lot of us is how quickly this place forgot what our other quarterbacks looked like. We went from excited to be competitive to dumb shit like insert mediocre qb would've been more successful in this offense than Ewers, as if he had nothing to do with us winning games.

I agree with you but cannot abide this Sam Ehlinger erasure. 

Although Sam's tenure more or less proves your point. As soon as we even got a decent QB like Sam, we started winning games again. Despite having a mental midget for a coach. 

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8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

If you can produce one post on surly that claims Quinn Ewers was the sole reason we succeeded the past two years I'll kick in another $100 to Mobile Loaves & Fishes.

when lots and lots and lots of people repeatedly say, “quinn led us to back to back playoffs” and “quinn turned this program around” without ever giving credit to sark, pk, choice, bijan, sweat, barron, murphy, worthy, whitt, AD, etc, you can see how it would feel to a lot of people like QE is being singlehandedly given credit for everything good that Texas has done.

then, when you have thatguy, who posts as if his family is being held hostage and will be killed if he even so much as admits that QE has any flaws or shortcomings, or that any lack of success for our team was in any way QE’s fault, plus a ton of people pos repping (aka co-signing) these posts, it only adds to the feeling that a ton of people give QE sole credit for UT Football’s resurgence. i mean the guy’s cult following started when he was 16 and committed to Texas the first time. these people have been insanely invested for years and years. he is their chosen one.

so, while i don’t think anyone has out and out said that QE did it all by himself, a ton of people have gone out of their way to credit QE for “turning around the program” without ever acknowledging his enormous supporting cast, pretty much all of whom were more responsible for turning this program around than QE. you read this same stuff day after day for months, and it definitely starts to feel like people think that QE did for his team’s what VY and Colt did for theirs.

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20 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

If you can produce one post on surly that claims Quinn Ewers was the sole reason we succeeded the past two years I'll kick in another $100 to Mobile Loaves & Fishes.

You asked me to name names. I did. Go back through the thread and read the posts, I'm not doing your homework for you. You've been here all along. Even if I did provide the receipts you would move the goal posts again.

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3 minutes ago, Derka said:

when lots and lots and lots of people repeatedly say, “quinn led us to back to back playoffs” and “quinn turned this program around” without ever giving credit to sark, pk, choice, bijan, sweat, barron, murphy, worthy, whitt, AD, etc, you can see how it would feel to a lot of people like QE is being singlehandedly given credit for everything good that Texas has done.

I'll take your word for it.  I don't recall either, but I don't read every post.

 

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then, when you have thatguy, who posts as if his family is being held hostage

OK, I laughed.

Just now, BurntEyes said:

You asked me to name names. I did. Go back through the thread and read the posts, I'm not doing your homework for you. You've been here all along. Even if I did provide the receipts you would move the goal posts again.

I haven't moved any goalposts.  I wouldn't give sole credit to any player, ever.  Even VY.

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6 hours ago, Had Enough said:

Not one time have I said the stats tell the whole story.  And many times I put them out there for informational purposes.

I know we don’t talk about this shit but as a youth thru high school - participated in 4 varsity sports, two way starter, two year starter basketball, on the relays.  QB. And I wasn’t some passive S sitting 15 yards off the ball on defense. Now, I am old, bitter dude that’s reflected on successes and failures. That’s watched as a parent, youth coach, observant fan.  4A to 6A. Have seen 4 and 5 star players competing not just in those sports but others and from a reasonably close view.  I’ve seen my high school produce an NFL QB, a state player of the year. Girl sports, boy sports.  I was not a casual participant.  I’m not a casual fan.  I watch your Longhorns live and in person.  Then I watch the recording. I was in position athletically to see how impactful failures can be on a personal athletic achievement level because of successes.  So when you think I’m a dumbass, when you think I’m full of it, know that’s the backdrop and there’s a hint of that in every post.  Even those that include the stats.
 

I know your kid plays some volleyball. I believe you played some football.  Maybe you played it much longer than I did.  Maybe your experiences are more unique and varied.

I haven’t put a cap on your boy Quinn.  I don’t give a general damn that his balls get knocked down occasionally.  I don’t care that his footwork isn’t perfect. I don’t care that he can “make all the throws.”  I don’t believe his deep ball is as bad as most make it out.  I don’t believe his intermediate ball is as good people make it, which doesn’t mean he’s not capable.  Whatever results he’s produced to date don’t matter.  What matters most is that he has the opportunity.  He needs consistency of effort.  Repeat the good more often; the bad less often.  

I do not think you are a dumb ass at all. It is clear you approach the game with experience. I can see that in your posts. I just think that some people are over-reliant on statistics. Even some really good coaches get caught up in the analytics sometimes.

I think when you think I am explaining things I am talking to you. I am not. There are 1000's of lurkers on this thread that I am talking to. Some of those people don't understand the game and those are the people I am talking to. Take @Derka for example. He was bashing Quinn on a vertical route because he had no idea how a fade route is supposed to be run or thrown until another poster corrected him. Those are the people that need direction and explaining. You would never do that because you understand the nuances of the game. I respect that about you. I also respect that about @BurntOrange&White, and many other posters that I don't always see eye to eye with. You guys generally make this place a fun place to be and I commend you for that. So don't ever think I don't respect your knowledge because I am talking to the audience. It's a hangover from some professional roles.

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11 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'll take your word for it.  I don't recall either, but I don't read every post.

 

OK, I laughed.

I haven't moved any goalposts.  I wouldn't give sole credit to any player, ever.  Even VY.

Lol I didnt say it was you and I was simply trying to point out the reason for the vitriol in this thread. You asked me to name names and I did. Then you said quote one, and I know youve seen the hero worship.

So... trying to point out the vitriol in this thread has lead to yet more pointless debate. 

So my effort was a waste of time and I should know better... that's on me. 

Carry on! 

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10 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I do not think you are a dumb ass at all. It is clear you approach the game with experience. I can see that in your posts. I just think that some people are over-reliant on statistics. Even some really good coaches get caught up in the analytics sometimes.

I think when you think I am explaining things I am talking to you. I am not. There are 1000's of lurkers on this thread that I am talking to. Some of those people don't understand the game and those are the people I am talking to. Take @Derka for example. He was bashing Quinn on a vertical route because he had no idea how a fade route is supposed to be run or thrown until another poster corrected him. Those are the people that need direction and explaining. You would never do that because you understand the nuances of the game. I respect that about you. I also respect that about @BurntOrange&White, and many other posters that I don't always see eye to eye with. You guys generally make this place a fun place to be and I commend you for that. So don't ever think I don't respect your knowledge because I am talking to the audience. It's a hangover from some professional roles.

If everyone agreed about everything this place would suck.

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12 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Really?

 

Sigh... that's not what I was referring too. You're right, I'm wrong. Everything I say is stupid or made up. I'm sorry for existing and send my regards. 

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3 hours ago, Red Five said:


I’m telling you, we don’t do mediocre well at QB. Take Jake Majors, or Jerrin Thompson, or Gbenda. Adequate college players. Drafted late or not at all. Could make an NFL roster, or maybe not. We don’t fight about them.

But Ewers is a QB, and we put those into two categories: Legends, and absolute fucking garbage who we will piss on for eternity. The legends are easy (VY, Colt) as are the others (Gilbert, Swoopes).

The ones in the middle are where the fights happen. Chris Simms, Sam Ehlinger, Quinn Ewers.

I won't stand for the Sam Ehlinger blasphemy. Sam was universally loved except for some brain broken idiots who just hate him for no reason. He was an OU CCG game away from making the CFP in 2018 and there's a real chance they win the whole thing if they go. They absolutely fucking murdered Georgia. 

50 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I agree with you but cannot abide this Sam Ehlinger erasure. 

Although Sam's tenure more or less proves your point. As soon as we even got a decent QB like Sam, we started winning games again. Despite having a mental midget for a coach. 

Sam actually played for a dogshit team with a dogshit coach and still came out with the "decent" reviews because he way overperformed and is still on a roster now (Denver). He doesn't suck and has outlasted a lot of other people who were drafted and are just not on rosters. 

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2 hours ago, Drew said:

How the fuck has this thread grown 10 pages since sunday, if not more...and this many since the end of the draft. Jesus.

If the Quinn Ewers thread keeps opening up on your computer and forcing you to post on it, try shutting down and restarting your system. That should clear up the problem. If not, your computer may have a virus. 

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44 minutes ago, Derka said:

when lots and lots and lots of people repeatedly say, “quinn led us to back to back playoffs” and “quinn turned this program around” without ever giving credit to sark, pk, choice, bijan, sweat, barron, murphy, worthy, whitt, AD, etc, you can see how it would feel to a lot of people like QE is being singlehandedly given credit for everything good that Texas has done.

then, when you have thatguy, who posts as if his family is being held hostage and will be killed if he even so much as admits that QE has any flaws or shortcomings, or that any lack of success for our team was in any way QE’s fault, plus a ton of people pos repping (aka co-signing) these posts, it only adds to the feeling that a ton of people give QE sole credit for UT Football’s resurgence. i mean the guy’s cult following started when he was 16 and committed to Texas the first time. these people have been insanely invested for years and years. he is their chosen one.

so, while i don’t think anyone has out and out said that QE did it all by himself, a ton of people have gone out of their way to credit QE for “turning around the program” without ever acknowledging his enormous supporting cast, pretty much all of whom were more responsible for turning this program around than QE. you read this same stuff day after day for months, and it definitely starts to feel like people think that QE did for his team’s what VY and Colt did for theirs.

Dude-

Most people are thankful for Quinn because we remember what we had for the last decade or so(besides Sam). No one thinks Quinn did anything by himself, but we just ran the SEC with two 190lb, 3rd down backs, Juan Davis playing significant minutes, and one good wide receiver(Bond was hurt all year).Our roster isn't the monster you think it is. If you don't think so look at our roster vs Ohio State's. We ran back the same level of success after losing Worthy, Mitchell, Sanders, Brooks, Jones, Baxter, Whitt, Sweat, Murphy, Ford, and Williams.....AND transitioning to the SEC. Stability at quarterback has something to do with that.

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