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13 minutes ago, Nivek said:

That link also seems to concludes by saying 0-9 yard completion percentage seems to be a more prolific indicator of NFL success than does the intermediate or deep ball.  But again, they leave out so much of the details it is worth some skepticism about their interpretation and conclusions.  

IMO and what I’ve seen watching NFL football the intermediate is the most important and being able to drive the football to the boundaries are the two most important things that really good NFL QBs do the best. Which basically means that QBs ability to hit those spots opens up the whole field….

 

I can’t think of a team that has won a Super Bowl with a dolphins style underneath offense except for maybe the chiefs a few years ago but Mahomes is the great equalizer because of his ability 

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30 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

IMO and what I’ve seen watching NFL football the intermediate is the most important and being able to drive the football to the boundaries are the two most important things that really good NFL QBs do the best. Which basically means that QBs ability to hit those spots opens up the whole field….

 

I can’t think of a team that has won a Super Bowl with a dolphins style underneath offense except for maybe the chiefs a few years ago but Mahomes is the great equalizer because of his ability 

The Patriots.......6 times.

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3 hours ago, Derka said:

i’ll take his word for it, he certainly knows better than i do. still, it’s hard to know (for a layperson like me) given QE’s propensity for a)lifting every pass and b)generally being inaccurate downfield if you’re watching a great back shoulder fade or a could-have-been td that was thrown short and wide.

Its a fade. The receiver is supposed get vertical while leaving a few yards to his outside and not allow the DB to walk him to the sideline. QB is supposed to hit the receiver on the outside shoulder, guiding him away from the defender so he cannot break up the pass. Where the defender is determines where the throw should be. If the defender is on top of the receiver then the QB should throw the fade to the back shoulder. If the defender is on his hip you throw it upfield and to the outside shoulder. Literally a perfect throw.

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4 hours ago, AnotherLawyer said:

You make a good point. As physical concepts I mostly think of accuracy and precision as interchangeable and receiver-relative, like placing the ball over the outside shoulder rather than the inside shoulder, for example. Ewers threw to the same spot regardless of where the receiver was. From a field-relative standpoint, he's accurate. From a receiver-relative standpoint, he's accurate on certain routes and not others. A lot of these guys who trained with the same small groups of private coaches have outstanding field-relative accuracy. 

Yep. A huge chunk of Ewers missed downfield throws were on the same route combo where the deep guy is running a big post. He threw it vertical every. damn. time. He was very good with true verticals on his right side, and missed quite a few true verticals on his left.

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3 hours ago, Levi said:

On the flip side, here is JT O’Sullivan’s opinion on the play. (I hope the sound works)

 

 

This looks similar to that dumbass defensive call on 4th and 13 except 3 x 1 to the left here.  Notice the guy running down the middle wide open.

Makes that call even dumber as they got no pressure here, and they showed they couldn’t cover 2 different guys.  Yet you go back to it.  On the most important play of the game. 

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I'm not sure if this applies to football, but in shooting "accuracy" refers to how close your shots are to your target. If you're aiming for the bullseye, how close are you getting to the bullseye? In contrast, "precision" refers to how consistently are you putting shots in the same place, i.e., how tight are your groupings? Here is a helpful chart:
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Please stop hooting at each other like a pack of retards squabbling about the meaning of already well-defined terms.

Top right just means you need to adjust your sights.
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QE definitely had some WTF throws, but I'm not going to totally blame him on some of those deep 40+-yd throws that landed 3-6 feet to the side of the receiver. A lot of times you hear about a QB "throwing a guy open" because of the defender's position. You have a WR running down the field with a CB on his right hip. Sure, a perfect throw COULD land right in his hands, but it's better to throw it to the left and let your WR adjust to the open area of the field and catch it. Worthy was terrible at making adjustments and tracking the ball. I don't put all of that on Quinn.

Now, when he overthrows or underthrows a wide open receiver, that's definitely on him.

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35 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

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Lol. You guys HAVE TO lay off the stats. You know damn well outside of the Moss era Brady made his money in the short to intermediate passing game. There are 1000 ways to get to 8.6 yards per attempt.

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12 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Lol. You guys HAVE TO lay off the stats. You know damn well outside of the Moss era Brady made his money in the short to intermediate passing game. There are 1000 ways to get to 8.6 yards per attempt.

Lay off the stats yet you and others like to throw out this:  “A huge chunk of Ewers missed downfield throws were on the same route combo where the deep guy is running a big post.”

With no support or context.  So we’re to take this as gospel because you said so.

The original quote says “average depth of target” which is different than yards per attempt.  There are myriad ways you can get to yards per attempt but less so depth of target.  
 

There are reasons I quote from PFF.  It’s data (less subjective) paired with grades (more subjective).  It’s not available because I said it’s useful either.

And like it or not in the past two years all 1st round QBs were in the top 13 each year in their grading.

As I age, I see why people get more bitter.

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You know I rewatched the Kentucky game and I was wrong about his passes.  The worst one was to Bond on the post because it was late.  However, every fucking deep shot had our guy being interfered with.  If the DB isn’t allowed to prison rape our guys they would have had a chance to make a play on the ball.  There was another throw in the end zone to Bond that he almost caught but he was interfered with on that play.  Then, the shot to Wingo we missed is because Wingo gets shoved by the Kentucky DB.  SEC officials do not call pass interference very much.  

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53 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Lol. You guys HAVE TO lay off the stats. You know damn well outside of the Moss era Brady made his money in the short to intermediate passing game. There are 1000 ways to get to 8.6 yards per attempt.

the 2024 dolphins vs brady’s last super bowl team in NE:

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bottom of the league vs middle of the pack. 7.8 vs 6.3. it’s not even close.

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35 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

You know I rewatched the Kentucky game and I was wrong about his passes.  The worst one was to Bond on the post because it was late.  However, every fucking deep shot had our guy being interfered with.  If the DB isn’t allowed to prison rape our guys they would have had a chance to make a play on the ball.  There was another throw in the end zone to Bond that he almost caught but he was interfered with on that play.  Then, the shot to Wingo we missed is because Wingo gets shoved by the Kentucky DB.  SEC officials do not call pass interference very much.  

Bond was open and got interfered with because Quinn underthrew the ball and Bond had to slow down giving the defender time to jump and interfere. Bond had a step on the defender and would’ve had the TD but the deep ball was underthrown/floated by Quinn.

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4 minutes ago, MrBig said:

Bond was open and got interfered with because Quinn underthrew the ball and Bond had to slow down giving the defender time to jump and interfere. Bond had a step on the defender and would’ve had the TD but the deep ball was underthrown/floated by Quinn.

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Are you under the impression that I’m disagreeing with you on this pass?

The other pass to the end zone was on a go route on the other side of the field, buddy.

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2 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Are you under the impression that I’m disagreeing with you on this pass?

The other pass to the end zone was on a go route on the other side of the field, buddy.

I’m just saying a lot of the interference on our WRs are because they have to slow down for Quinn’s underthrows.

It seems like Golden is the only one who has the ability to catch anything relatively deep from Quinn because Golden has the ability to anticipate the underthrows by slowing down or launch himself into the air to catch the overthrows. 

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26 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:


I feel like the defense should get a fair amount of credit on 2 or 3 of those.

Absolutely. But they had a unique recipe that worked. TEs worked the seams. A small, quick guy working the LOS, and some rando for the intermediate.

 

12 hours ago, Had Enough said:

Lay off the stats yet you and others like to throw out this:  “A huge chunk of Ewers missed downfield throws were on the same route combo where the deep guy is running a big post.”

With no support or context.  So we’re to take this as gospel because you said so.

The original quote says “average depth of target” which is different than yards per attempt.  There are myriad ways you can get to yards per attempt but less so depth of target.  
 

There are reasons I quote from PFF.  It’s data (less subjective) paired with grades (more subjective).  It’s not available because I said it’s useful either.

And like it or not in the past two years all 1st round QBs were in the top 13 each year in their grading.

As I age, I see why people get more bitter.

So let me get this straight. Are you going to come here and tell us that the Patriots, outside of the Moss years, were a downfield passing team? Is that the business you are going to stand on?

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11 hours ago, MrBig said:

It seems like Golden is the only one who has the ability to catch anything relatively deep from Quinn because Golden has the ability to anticipate the underthrows by slowing down or launch himself into the air to catch the overthrows. 

So a QB is helped by an elite receiver, of which we had only one in 2024?  Huh.

And before anyone accuses me of saying Ewers = Brady, let me reiterate for the eleventy billionth time that I believe Ewers bears significant responsibility for our inability to get past the semifinals two years running.  So do a bunch of other guys, some of whom have a permanent spot on the sideline or in the booth.

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10 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

 

So let me get this straight. Are you going to come here and tell us that the Patriots, outside of the Moss years, were a downfield passing team? Is that the business you are going to stand on?

I merely pointed out the potential point of confusion.

I mean why would I argue such a point with someone who wouldn’t support that conclusion or entertain the idea of evidence to the contrary.  And it’s certainly not possible to counter some definition of downfield passing team in  your mind that’s not known to others.

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11 hours ago, MrBig said:

Bond was open and got interfered with because Quinn underthrew the ball and Bond had to slow down giving the defender time to jump and interfere. Bond had a step on the defender and would’ve had the TD but the deep ball was underthrown/floated by Quinn.

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This is a post that was thrown vertically instead of out in front. You know, the route that I said that Quinn struggles throwing and then @Had Enough said "With no support or context.  So we’re to take this as gospel because you said so". Quinn misses this route A LOT. The throw to Worthy in the game at Bama was a post that Quinn threw vertically just Worthy adjusted to it. It's crazy to me that he misses that route to the level he does while being really good at throwing a deep dig which is much harder.

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Are you referring to the “great” throw to Worthy for a TD versus Bama in ‘23?

Deep passes are incomplete A LOT.  All QBs. Generally because the throw isn’t great.  There are a number of deep balls caught that are not great throws.  Ewers has thrown over 1,000 passes at Texas.  You can find examples of just about every throw.

You go with examples to show that they exist.  I do not dispute that they exist.  The numbers play more into the frequency with which things occur to which you can compare relative to their peers.

And by the way I don’t necessarily disagree with your statement on the Patriots; however, I can be persuaded otherwise. If the numbers show they went downfield more than anyone else, then I wouldn’t argue.

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Just now, Had Enough said:

I merely pointed out the potential point of confusion.

I mean why would I argue such a point with someone who wouldn’t support that conclusion or entertain the idea of evidence to the contrary.  And it’s certainly not possible to counter some definition of downfield passing team in  your mind that’s not known to others.

NO ONE is going to listen to you if your stance is that the Patriots' offense was based around airing it out. No one. Tom Brady was in the 6th round for two reasons. Lack of mobility and lack of arm strength.

A 15 yard out from the opposite hash is a big time, 40 yard, NFL throw, but it still only counts as 15 yards, same as a 15 yard throw straight up the hash mark that you as the QB are standing on. In the stat book they both count the same but on the field they are very different. One is "airing it out". The other is "dink and dunk".  Gronk averaged 15 yrds for his career catching balls up the seam. STATS DON'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY.

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Just now, Thatguy said:

NO ONE is going to listen to you if your stance is that the Patriots' offense was based around airing it out. No one. Tom Brady was in the 6th round for two reasons. Lack of mobility and lack of arm strength.

A 15 yard out from the opposite hash is a big time, 40 yard, NFL throw, but it still only counts as 15 yards, same as a 15 yard throw straight up the hash mark that you as the QB are standing on. In the stat book they both count the same but on the field they are very different. One is "airing it out". The other is "dink and dunk".  Gronk averaged 15 yrds for his career catching balls up the seam. STATS DON'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY.

Not one time have I said the stats tell the whole story.  And many times I put them out there for informational purposes.

I know we don’t talk about this shit but as a youth thru high school - participated in 4 varsity sports, two way starter, two year starter basketball, on the relays.  QB. And I wasn’t some passive S sitting 15 yards off the ball on defense. Now, I am old, bitter dude that’s reflected on successes and failures. That’s watched as a parent, youth coach, observant fan.  4A to 6A. Have seen 4 and 5 star players competing not just in those sports but others and from a reasonably close view.  I’ve seen my high school produce an NFL QB, a state player of the year. Girl sports, boy sports.  I was not a casual participant.  I’m not a casual fan.  I watch your Longhorns live and in person.  Then I watch the recording. I was in position athletically to see how impactful failures can be on a personal athletic achievement level because of successes.  So when you think I’m a dumbass, when you think I’m full of it, know that’s the backdrop and there’s a hint of that in every post.  Even those that include the stats.
 

I know your kid plays some volleyball. I believe you played some football.  Maybe you played it much longer than I did.  Maybe your experiences are more unique and varied.

I haven’t put a cap on your boy Quinn.  I don’t give a general damn that his balls get knocked down occasionally.  I don’t care that his footwork isn’t perfect. I don’t care that he can “make all the throws.”  I don’t believe his deep ball is as bad as most make it out.  I don’t believe his intermediate ball is as good people make it, which doesn’t mean he’s not capable.  Whatever results he’s produced to date don’t matter.  What matters most is that he has the opportunity.  He needs consistency of effort.  Repeat the good more often; the bad less often.  

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Arm strength can be improved with QBs the easiest I think...but coming out Tom was thought of to be an accurate and efficient QB. We can't say the same about Quinn outside of 0-9 yards...It goes back to what I said a page or so ago....no one can really truly judge the mental side of the QB position and that is why bust rates are so high IMO. No one knows the tenacity of which a player approaches the game mentally...

 

From New Englands own website

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Smart, experienced big-game signal-caller, getting very high grades in the efficiency department this past season. Brady cut his interception total from '98 in half, tossing 20 TD passes compared to just six interceptions. He threw for 2,586 yards, completing an impressive 62.8% of his aerials. For his efforts, Brady was named team MVP. After working as Brian Griese's backup in '97, Brady went on to start 25 straight games with the Wolverines.

He's a straight dropback passer who stands tall in the pocket, doesn't show nervous feet, and does a nice job working through his progressions. He's not going to try to force the action, rarely trying to perform beyond his capability. He threw a TD pass in all 16 games he started against Big Ten opposition, while tossing 15 straight completions during the second half of action this past season against Michigan State. He's accurate, throws a very catchable ball, and also knows when to take a little off the pass.

 

 

vs Ewers

 

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Posted
21 hours ago, Derka said:

what does this mean?

21 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

It’s nonsense 

There are field-relative throwing drills and receiver-relative throwing drills. The problem with a lot of younger guys is that they and their private coaches focus a lot on stationary or field-relative throwing drills. For example, throwing over a stationary net into a big bucket or onto a matt or tarp placed on a spot on the field to try to teach things like arc and touch passing, or knocking down stationary targets like cones. Those help with certain routes where you're trying to throw to an open place on the field to let the receiver go get it. That's relative to the field.

There are other drills to help coach young QBs how to lead a receiver, which shoulder to choose, high or low, knowing how the route is run and throwing to where you expect the receiver to be, etc. Those are relative to the receiver. It's not always easy to run receiver-relative drills in private coaching. You have to have access to receivers.

Most, but not all, receiver-relative drills lean towards precision. Most, but not all, field-relative drills lean towards accuracy. Since the guy who taught me used the terms interchangeably, I've always used them interchangeably. That's wrong.

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32 minutes ago, immamac said:

Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 

Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 

He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season

Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

Couldn't agree more, we'll chalk him up as a pussy just to be safe and cover all bases as well.

9 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

Was Ewers going to check downs quickly because he was hurt or trying to avoid being hurt? We all know he was still dinged up pretty good at the end of the year.

Probably because he's lost post snap on his progressions and the easiest way to avoid getting hurt or hit is to check down fast. How often does he stand in the pocket and take a shot to get a pass off? See the above designation to explain why that may be.

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44 minutes ago, immamac said:

Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 

Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 

He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season

Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

It's a bimodal curve where he has high highs but low lows, which averages out to being...average. Usually if a player is good, bad, or average at certain aspects of the game, they'll be good, bad, or average at most aspects of the game. But it's baffling for a player to be simultaneously so great in some aspects and so disappointing in others that people (often very vocal people) don't know how to process it. 

What I think you're ignoring, and what actually pisses me off in this thread, is the people that demonstrate genuine antipathy towards Ewers. Saying stupid shit like he "cost us a national championship" or delighting in his draft plummet are bizarre behaviors and belong more on TexAgs than on here. Especially when guys like Sark, Jahdae Barron, and the rest of the QB room all consistently sing Ewers' praises and talk about how much he's done for the program. So even though I think you're correct about Quinn's performance as a QB, I think the "emotional garbage" that's being drawn out in this thread has more to do with people shitting on Ewers (because they have the emotional intelligence of a particularly callous hamster) and people defending Ewers because they don't like seeing their QB get shit on. And I find it pretty easy to side with the latter group. 

Also, here's another Quinn gif. Been sitting on it for a while:

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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

It's a bimodal curve where he has high highs but low lows, which averages out to being...average. Usually if a player is good, bad, or average at certain aspects of the game, they'll be good, bad, or average at most aspects of the game. But it's baffling for a player to be simultaneously so great in some aspects and so disappointing in others that people (often very vocal people) don't know how to process it. 

What I think you're ignoring, and what actually pisses me off in this thread, is the people that demonstrate genuine antipathy towards Ewers. Saying stupid shit like he "cost us a national championship" or delighting in his draft plummet are bizarre behaviors and belong more on TexAgs than on here. Especially when guys like Sark, Jahdae Barron, and the rest of the QB room all consistently sing Ewers' praises and talk about how much he's done for the program. So you even though I think you're correct about Quinn's performance as a QB, I think the "emotional garbage" that's being drawn out in this thread has more to do with people shitting on Ewers (because they have the emotional intelligence of a particularly callous hamster) and people defending Ewers because they don't like seeing their QB get shit on. And I find it pretty easy to side with the latter group. 

I'd say his highs are fewer than his lows...even in games we won down the stretch he didn't play well at all. His best game in the second half of the season was against Florida who was missing something like 3/4 starters or 4/5 starters in the secondary.

 

Regarding your bold, do you or do you not believe a consistent higher level of QB play makes this team better? 

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4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

I'd say his highs are fewer than his lows...even in games we won down the stretch he didn't play well at all. His best game in the second half of the season was against Florida who was missing something like 3/4 starters or 4/5 starters in the secondary.

 

Regarding your bold, do you or do you not believe a consistent higher level of QB play makes this team better? 

I think counterfactuals are stupid and pointless. We might have won a national championship with a different QB. We might have gone 7-5 with a different QB. There's no way of knowing and pretending like one can is immature and ignorant. 

What I can say is that, for all his faults, we did very well with Quinn at QB. And if you're not willing to give him credit for how well we did, then you can't blame him for us falling short either. It's a team sport. 

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7 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

I think counterfactuals are stupid and pointless. We might have won a national championship with a different QB. We might have gone 7-5 with a different QB. There's no way of knowing and pretending like one can is immature and ignorant. 

What I can say is that, for all his faults, we did very well with Quinn at QB. And if you're not willing to give him credit for how well we did, then you can't blame him for us falling short either. It's a team sport. 

I never took away any credit for how well we did, in fact show me where I did. But I'm also not going to pump sunshine and act like that was all because of him. The teams he played on the past two years have had more NFL players than any other teams in the history of our school(see record number of picks).  Outside of RB due to injuries it is not out of the realm to say that QB was the weakest position of the team in 2024. It also happens to be the most important position in the game. And I don't see how you can say having better QB play could net worse results, that's just pure idiocy. Tom Brady going to Tampa and taking the same team Jameis played on to a winning super bowl shows this. But that's the thing with the people who blindly say Quinn is the reason, Quinn did well, Quin did blah blah blah, they can't admit the opposite. It took until after Quinn was done playing for ThatGuy to admit that Quinn had faults instead of blaming everyone else but Quinn. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

I never took away any credit for how well we did, in fact show me where I did. But I'm also not going to pump sunshine and act like that was all because of him. The teams he played on the past two years have had more NFL players than any other teams in the history of our school(see record number of picks).  Outside of RB due to injuries it is not out of the realm to say that QB was the weakest position of the team in 2024. It also happens to be the most important position in the game. And I don't see how you can say having better QB play could net worse results, that's just pure idiocy. But that's the thing with the people who blindly say Quinn is the reason, Quinn did well, Quin did blah blah blah, they can't admit the opposite. It took until after Quinn was done playing for ThatGuy to admit that Quinn had faults instead of blaming everyone else but Quinn. 

Ok, cool. 

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

I never took away any credit for how well we did, in fact show me where I did. But I'm also not going to pump sunshine and act like that was all because of him.

Who exactly is doing that?  What the fuck is your malfunction?

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 

Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 

He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season

Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

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9 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Texas fans on Twitter, TikTok, IG, etc.

Oh for fuck's sake some stupid talking head says something stupid and you use it in an argument with a bunch of people who aren't saying anything of the sort?   Seek help.

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8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

 

Oh for fuck's sake some stupid talking head says something stupid and you use it in an argument with a bunch of people who aren't saying anything of the sort?   Seek help.

It's quite literally the narrative outside of Surly. 

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 

Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 

He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season

Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

Shit, man, it's meaningless but I can agree with this take. It feels like a lot of us get pushed into a this-or-that corner with no space for argument, and by a relatively small number of choose-sides contributors.

But, you know, congrats on having the Worst. Thread. Ever. now that the wrestling forum is gone.

Posted
Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 
Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 
He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 
He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 
He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season
Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

I’m telling you, we don’t do mediocre well at QB. Take Jake Majors, or Jerrin Thompson, or Gbenda. Adequate college players. Drafted late or not at all. Could make an NFL roster, or maybe not. We don’t fight about them.

But Ewers is a QB, and we put those into two categories: Legends, and absolute fucking garbage who we will piss on for eternity. The legends are easy (VY, Colt) as are the others (Gilbert, Swoopes).

The ones in the middle are where the fights happen. Chris Simms, Sam Ehlinger, Quinn Ewers.
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Posted
1 hour ago, immamac said:

Its actually hilarious that there's so much film on this guy and you guys have seen most if not all of it repeatedly and you still haven't come to a consensus because of emotional garbage or who knows what. 

Quinn Ewers was painfully adequate. That's the enigma here. 

He was obviously an elite talent, who has head scratching mediocre film for a substantial amount of his career. 

He also has a pretty crazy highlight reel that is easily top 5 every season he played. Dude makes insane throws and had incredible touch. 

He also had complete shitfest games that are inexcusable at his level or for an NFL caliber player. Think OK State + Georgia reg season

Everyone has arguments that are correct on aspects or portions of his body of work, but Quinn as the complete body of work is just Painfully Adequate. 

you mentioned this earlier but I think his inconsistency is directly tied to always being injured/coming back from injuries. He wasn't the same player against Georgia that he was against Michigan.

Daniel Jeremiah mentioned that he didn't feel that Ewers took that "next step" this year. It's hard to grow as a player when you're spending 4-6 weeks every season in the trainer's room rehabbing another injury.

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39 minutes ago, immamac said:

Also, there's a lot besides his play that has to do with that narrative - I also think that without Quinn coming back that Texas would have taken significantly longer to become dominant, and that's not because he was just some guy that put everyone on his back, it was because it made Texas relevant and he was a significant draw for A LOT of additional talent, especially on the offensive side of the ball. He also started off with a very high floor, even when quinn was playing poorly it was still good enough to win the majority of the games. He definitely had some help with schedule etc early on with a really weak big xii and an Oklahoma that was floundering etc but lets not sit here and fucking pretend that we are where we are without Quinn transferring in from Ohio State. The gravitational pull he had, and kept even after his first season was incredible. 

You’re going to have to do some reconciling for me here.

First, Sark has NFL ties.  He was OC for a Heisman QB with multiple highly drafted WRs/RBs.  Presumably that was a draw here for Ewers.  That draw for other QBs is here whether Ewers ever shows up, right?

You referenced the draws for other offensive guys.  We are now in year 5 of the Sark regime.  3 NFL TEs later, none of which Sark recruited. In year 5, we got a portal TE because we were not satisfied with our TE.

WR.  Worthy here already.  Whitt here already.  I guess maybe Mitchell but after 2022?  I suppose Bond, Golden, Boldin.  But none the less the high school pipeline has had modest returns.  Year 5, and we’re still hitting the portal.  

I suppose the Oline guys that all committed about the same time, but there were certainly other factors at play.  Conner, Majors, Jones were all here.

The RB room.  Pretty stacked when Sark arrived.  Injuries impacted it last year.  I guess #4 who has had somewhat limited impact thus far.

Coburn, Ojomo, Sweat, Murphy, Collins, Broughton, DMO, Ford, Jahdae, Sorrell, Taaffe all were here.  Then guys who contributed Gbenda, Blackwell, Thompson.  Odd that Collin Simmons would come for one year to watch Ewers from the sideline.

Perhaps he did some behind the scenes work to keep guys here.  It’s all pretty convoluted with NIL and all associated with that.

 

It is true that you change any variable about the past then the outcome changes.  And we’ve had pretty good outcomes the past two years.

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34 minutes ago, Red Five said:


I’m telling you, we don’t do mediocre well at QB. Take Jake Majors, or Jerrin Thompson, or Gbenda. Adequate college players. Drafted late or not at all. Could make an NFL roster, or maybe not. We don’t fight about them.
 

There’s been ample complaints about those guys. Quite often more negative than positive.  But, yes, the QB amplifies that by a 1000.

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