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Arch & Quinn are so different that trying to compare them is practically folly.  Arch is slow on his reads, doesn't check down well, and has relatively poor touch and accuracy in the short game.  He also has an instinct to step up and stand tall in the pocket, and is tough enough to take big hits.  Quinn was much quicker in his reads and check downs, had fantastic touch and accuracy and the short game, but he self sacked over and over again.  He was worse on the deep throws than Arch, but neither has shown themselves to be great in that regard.

Arch has wheels, Quinn had snowshoes.  That might be the biggest differentiator.  At least one dude can manufacture yards.  I guess I'll take Arch, given that there might be some upside to come.

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28 minutes ago, Derka said:

what a shocker it is that the guy who rated quinn ewers a 10/10 every single game is now coming down hard on arch manning when the o line was undisputedly the story of the day, a day in which arch routinely made the exact type of plays that QE was never able to make during three years as a starter, standing tall in the pocket, taking hits, extending plays with his legs, making plays downfield, etc. i’m just floored at this development i tell you. total shocker.

Anytime I find my opinion in opposition with Derka about football, I know I am on the correct track. 

Everyone here knows the O-line sucks Derka. What I am saying is Arch is making it worse. I give you, granted sometimes rushed, but legit football takes. You are in here with feelings and vibes. No factual anything. I have respect for guys like Codaxx and others. We may arrive at different opinions, but at least I know they can see the game. 

And NOBODY said QE was a 10/10. I simply KNEW he was better than Arch, not as bad as you said he was, and our best option last year. Move the goalposts some more. 

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4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

So answer this what have you see from arch THIS YEAR that gives you confidence in him and makes you think he’s a better QB than Quinn

listen you combative fucking mongoloid, i have not only repeatedly said that arch has been bad this year, i have repeatedly stated that he’s *not* better than quinn was, and yet your combative, juvenile ass is still in here yelling at me for saying that arch is awesome when i’ve said nothing of the sort.

arch stood tall in the pocket under constant pressure and took a beating while still making throws downfield- quinn couldn’t do that. arch scrambled when under pressure and then made plays downfield- quinn couldn’t do that. arch can be worse than quinn was and still be able to do things that quinn couldn’t do. i know that level of adult thinking escapes you, so you’re going to have to take my word for it.

my stance on all of this is crystal clear, and there’s nothing in this post that i haven’t already said. you room temperature iq having motherfuckers who are so tribalistic about this shit are the worst. you think that everyone is either on team quinn or team arch, so all you do is talk shit and try to “own” people or “win” the argument. i have no idea why people put up with your shit and don’t neg you into bolivia, but you post like a 12 year old who needs attention and you should be embarrassed as you must certainly be in your 40’s by now. you’re a stain on this thread and this board. grow the fuck up.

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2 minutes ago, Derka said:

listen you combative fucking mongoloid, i have not only repeatedly said that arch has been bad this year, i have repeatedly stated that he’s *not* better than quinn was, and yet your combative, juvenile ass is still in here yelling at me for saying that arch is awesome when i’ve said nothing of the sort.

arch stood tall in the pocket under constant pressure and took a beating while still making throws downfield- quinn couldn’t do that. arch scrambled when under pressure and then made plays downfield- quinn couldn’t do that. arch can be worse than quinn was and still be able to do things that quinn couldn’t do. i know that level of adult thinking escapes you, so you’re going to have to take my word for it.

my stance on all of this is crystal clear, and there’s nothing in this post that i haven’t already said. you room temperature iq having motherfuckers who are so tribalistic about this shit are the worst. you think that everyone is either on team quinn or team arch, so all you do is talk shit and try to “own” people or “win” the argument. i have no idea why people put up with your shit and don’t neg you into bolivia, but you post like a 12 year old who needs attention and you should be embarrassed as you must certainly be in your 40’s by now. you’re a stain on this thread and this board. grow the fuck up.

Good now stfu 

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2 minutes ago, Derka said:

listen you combative fucking mongoloid, i have not only repeatedly said that arch has been bad this year, i have repeatedly stated that he’s *not* better than quinn was, and yet your combative, juvenile ass is still in here yelling at me for saying that arch is awesome when i’ve said nothing of the sort.

arch stood tall in the pocket under constant pressure and took a beating while still making throws downfield- quinn couldn’t do that. arch scrambled when under pressure and then made plays downfield- quinn couldn’t do that. arch can be worse than quinn was and still be able to do things that quinn couldn’t do. i know that level of adult thinking escapes you, so you’re going to have to take my word for it.

my stance on all of this is crystal clear, and there’s nothing in this post that i haven’t already said. you room temperature iq having motherfuckers who are so tribalistic about this shit are the worst. you think that everyone is either on team quinn or team arch, so all you do is talk shit and try to “own” people or “win” the argument. i have no idea why people put up with your shit and don’t neg you into bolivia, but you post like a 12 year old who needs attention and you should be embarrassed as you must certainly be in your 40’s by now. you’re a stain on this thread and this board. grow the fuck up.

zero anything really about football. all vibes and feelings. 

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13 hours ago, William Bludworth said:

Agreed. I've said it at least 3-4 times that Wingo/Moore/Lockett/Ffrench/McCutcheon/Livingstone/Washington/Winstlon/Endries needs to use the JUGS machine every day for at least an hour

Things I miss:  El Diablo, Lobo, the JUGS thread. 

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24 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Late on the throw. Play was going nowhere though. The issue with the offense is Arch has to be perfect for this offense to score at a high level. There is no run game. The OL is shaky. It is a bad combination for a QB learning on the job. Sark needs to find some reliable chain movers. Everything cannot be about the big play. Miami killed Florida on the perimeter. Not sure I saw a WR screen in this game. Would love to see Sark lean on some short passing game. Even that is going to be tough as teams are going to play 2 safeties over the top all year and dare Texas to run the ball and we have an OL that is good for 3-4 penalties a game. Texas does not have an offense currently. It is just random plays being called in hopes of getting an explosive downfield occasionally. 

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17 hours ago, Red Five said:

I only skimmed the last few pages, but how many times this season thru only five games have we heard announcers say "Manning had _____ wide open in the middle of the field and didn't see him". I don't know the number but it's a lot, and it feels like more than every other Texas QB in recent history combined. I don't know if it's vision or confidence, but whatever it is it's bad.

Middle of the field wide open isn't viable with your LG or C damn near falling backward into QBs leg. This is the biggest issue I have noticed...pocket collapses instantly, no hot, QB is trying to QB. 

2nd biggest issue is how long the plays take to develop. Won't work if the backside is NSAA - No Secs At All. 

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17 hours ago, Thatguy said:

You know you are my boy Hobbes but come on. You are one of the smarter guys on the board. We went from being last in air yards to first. So common sense would say the guy throwing the short routes isn't going to see as much pressure and the guy holding the ball. However, since all the back and forth between all of us is he said/he said, lets take a look at the video. 

2nd and 6 here. As a QB it is your responsibility to see the blitz and adjust accordingly. Florida brings 5 so you have to understand that the ball has to come out. Your TE releases and has a good step on the LB. If you put in on him he has a good chance of picking up the first or at least getting you to a 3rd and 1 or 2. However, you hold the ball for 3 one thousand. Then when you take off you draw the defender closest to the LB. If you dump it off he runs for 20+. 

 

 

 

2nd and 10 here. Florida dials up a simulated pressure where they drop out the Boundary DE and bring the field side OLB. That should cue Arch that the RB in the flat is an attractive target. If he lets it go the back gets 5 yards, or more if he can make the DB miss. Instead Arch holds it and takes an unecessary hit delivering it to the TE crosser, who gets folded as soon as he catches it. 

 

 

 

 

 

That last play is a TE screen.  There werent any reads and if Campbell makes his block its a big play.  They were never going to the RB in the flat. 

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41 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Late on the throw. Play was going nowhere though. The issue with the offense is Arch has to be perfect for this offense to score at a high level. There is no run game. The OL is shaky. It is a bad combination for a QB learning on the job. Sark needs to find some reliable chain movers. Everything cannot be about the big play. Miami killed Florida on the perimeter. Not sure I saw a WR screen in this game. Would love to see Sark lean on some short passing game. Even that is going to be tough as teams are going to play 2 safeties over the top all year and dare Texas to run the ball and we have an OL that is good for 3-4 penalties a game. Texas does not have an offense currently. It is just random plays being called in hopes of getting an explosive downfield occasionally. 

I mean, the dig behind the short route was open.

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I just want to see what Caldwell can do with an entire half. 

This should happened 2 games ago but here we are.

Caldwell has come in and looked solid his limited time. 

At some point you're just punishing arch , the team, and the fanbase not trying something new 

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2 minutes ago, BigHornedLurker said:

I just want to see what Caldwell can do with an entire half. 

This should happened 2 games ago but here we are.

Caldwell has come in and looked solid his limited time. 

At some point you're just punishing arch , the team, and the fanbase not trying something new 

I dont see that working. Calwell wss 63.2% comp, 1,608 yds, 13 TDs, and 8 Ints at Troy. Maybe he has greatly improved since then, but nothing in his history suggests he will be an answer. 

https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/4877717/matthew-caldwell

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not doing a big write up on it, I don't think, but I did a rewatch and came away actually pretty pleased with Arch in the second half. The first half he showed all the bad shit that has shown up a lot this season (bad decision making, slow to get the ball out) but in the second half he did a lot of really good things.

The first pick wasn't entirely on him. Mosley was not ready for the ball coming out of his break and he needs to be. Arch is used to that being Livingstone who has a bigger catch radius and he threw it to high which is definitely on Arch, but Mosley also needed to make a play on the ball. The second INT wasn't an awful throw. It could've been better certainly. It needed to be outside the numbers and not on the numbers, but the DB made a hell of a play.

Other than that, he was very poised. He took an absolute beating and still made some big-time throws. He had a good second half.

His average depth of target for this game was 20 yards. Given how bad the offensive line is and how poorly the backs and tight ends generally block, that is clearly unsustainable. It is on the coaching staff to work with him to develop the short and intermediate stuff. I'm not really sure what AJ Milwee does as quarterbacks coach because the quarterbacks don't seem to actually improve upon their flaws at Texas.

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27 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I dont see that working. Calwell wss 63.2% comp, 1,608 yds, 13 TDs, and 8 Ints at Troy. Maybe he has greatly improved since then, but nothing in his history suggests he will be an answer. 

I think you, and people like you who think this way, are disassociated from reality. I truly do.

No one thinks Caldwell is Joe Montana.

ANY QB (especially one with some experience) who is not in the middle of a complete psychological collapse is superior to Arch. You have not yet come to terms wth how grave our situation is right now.

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colt mccoy was the last qb we had with that combination of footwork, pocket presence, toughness, and the ability to get off an accurate throw while getting destroyed like that. 

arch has half a season’s worth of starts under his belt, and he people who have already given up on him already are a joke, especially those who spent the last three years refusing to criticize quinn. 

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14 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

I think you, and people like you who think this way, are disassociated from reality. I truly do.

No one thinks Caldwell is Joe Montana.

ANY QB (especially one with some experience) who is not in the middle of a complete psychological collapse is superior to Arch. You have not yet come to terms wth how grave our situation is right now.

I did not see a psychological collapse from Manning on Saturday. If anything, it was the complete opposite. He showed balls hanging in there vs Florida. A lot of Qbs would have melted down. I think people like you are disassociated from reality. If the OL is going to play like that, very few QBs are going to look good. That was the worst OL performance I can remember in quite some time. Not to say Manning was great, he has his issues. He is being asked to carry an offense and getting little help. That is a terrible environment for any Qb, let alone one trying to figure things out. Not sure how people watched the Florida game and came away thinking Manning was the biggest issue

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11 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

ANY QB (especially one with some experience) who is not in the middle of a complete psychological collapse is superior to Arch. You have not yet come to terms wth how grave our situation is right now.

jesus christ.

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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I did not see a psychological collapse from Manning on Saturday. If anything, it was the complete opposite

no shit. i must be dissociated from reality because im living in bizarro world. i just spent three years being told that our last qb, a guy who couldn’t throw downfield, couldn’t scramble, couldn’t run, wasn’t accurate, was afraid to get hit, was seeing ghosts every play, was constantly turtling under zero pressure, and who was objectively worse than 80% - 90% of his offensive teammates, was actually great and was the reason we went to the playoffs, only for this same board to take half a season to say that literally anybody is better than arch and that we need to move on asap. lunacy.

i've said this my entire life and this will never change: we have terrible fans. i mean really really bad fans. truly one of the worst fan bases in america, and we as a whole deserve all of the hate we get. we show up late, we leave early, we only show up at all if the team is awesome, and we either prop up some spoiled rich kid who showed up out of shape and nowhere near ready to play football, or we tear down the guy who’s been humble and done everything right and is just now getting his feet wet as the team’s starter. we are shitty, spoiled fans, despite “supporting” a football program that’s won all of two conference titles this century. when it comes to Texas Football fans, everyone else is right about us: we suck.

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Arch had an ugly game and is struggling with fairly simple 1st reads. When I watch the film (obv dont have access to the all 22) its clear to me he's not ready to run the offense at a high level. He's just missing too much. However, he really is running for his life. Im now convinced part of the reason he's having the yips and is in his head is because he knows his o line is a complete disaster. Thats a tough realization when you know that means you're capable of getting sacked every single play, because his "first read" becomes pocket awareness and not where to go with the ball. 

He showed some real moxie and playmaking ability against Florida. The raw tools are there. I think his development has been stunted by this horrendous o line, and I think he was significantly overhyped and over ranked. He was a high four star that played against bad competition and was going to need time. But the film speaks for itself:

1- He has no time

2- Hes struggling big time with 1st read coverages

#2 doesnt get fixed until #1 does. He's not super human. 

In the mean time Sark has to use everything at his disposal to relieve the pressure for him, and hes not doing that schematically. He better start or we are going to lose more than we win. 

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7 minutes ago, BlackCat said:

Arch had an ugly game and is struggling with fairly simple 1st reads. When I watch the film (obv dont have access to the all 22) its clear to me he's not ready to run the offense at a high level. He's just missing too much. However, he really is running for his life. Im now convinced part of the reason he's having the yips and is in his head is because he knows his o line is a complete disaster. Thats a tough realization when you know that means you're capable of getting sacked every single play, because his "first read" becomes pocket awareness and not where to go with the ball. 

He showed some real moxie and playmaking ability against Florida. The raw tools are there. I think his development has been stunted by this horrendous o line, and I think he was significantly overhyped and over ranked. He was a high four star that played against bad competition and was going to need time. But the film speaks for itself:

1- He has no time

2- Hes struggling big time with 1st read coverages

#2 doesnt get fixed until #1 does. He's not super human. 

In the mean time Sark has to use everything at his disposal to relieve the pressure for him, and hes not doing that schematically. He better start or we are going to lose more than we win. 

probably should add this. I think PFF took the pressure numbers down as Arch scrambled for positive yardage. 

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On 10/4/2025 at 5:36 PM, CowboyFred said:

He should transfer for his own benefit is more my take. Arch is not the problem.

If he transferred to his dad’s, granddad’s, & uncle’s Alma mater, he would get better coaching and better line play.

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9 minutes ago, BlackCat said:

In the mean time Sark has to use everything at his disposal to relieve the pressure for him, and hes not doing that schematically. He better start or we are going to lose more than we win. 

Anyone with thoughts on why Sark hasn't moved the pocket more or given Arch rollout run/pass options?  Anything to give him more of a chance to see the field and easier passes?

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Just now, tbone_ said:

Is the punchline that Texas took it in the ass at every position by a better team. A 1-3 better team?

He absolutely destroys our Offensive Line for half of it.  Calls out Baker and Stroh personally.  Then asks why we spend our unlimited recruiting budget on big and slow in the SEC?

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