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9 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

So the qb literally having one of the slowest release times in all of college football has nothing to do with it?  Some of y’all need to wake up to reality.  He’s been complete ass from the pocket, the only time he completes passes is when he’s on the run and not over thinking. 

I’m objecting to your conclusions based on your inferred statistical analysis.

 I’m saying he’s young, and is rapidly improving. You seem to think past results and the averages of those games (he’s only played 3 games against real defenses) is reliable enough to be a predictive sample size.  It’s not. His trend line is showing rapid improvement so I’m content for now. 

btw I’m not an arch sycophant. I was 99% sure QE was the better QB last year and saw the game was way too fast for him in the one series he had vs Georgia last year. I do think he could be really fucking good in due time though. 

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2 minutes ago, scramblyn said:

I’m objecting to your conclusions based on your inferred statistical analysis.

 I’m saying he’s young, and is rapidly improving. You seem to think past results and the averages of those games (he’s only played 3 games against real defenses) is reliable enough to be a predictive sample size.  It’s not. His trend line is showing rapid improvement so I’m content for now. 

btw I’m not an arch sycophant. I was 99% sure QE was the better QB last year and saw the game was way too fast for him in the one series he had vs Georgia last year. I do think he could be really fucking good in due time though. 

He’s literally like 132 out of what 142 on release time with a bad oline…. Can he be good?  Sure but let’s be real that offense is a liability right now and release time is a big part of that.  He literally only throws good passes on the run and when he’s not over thinking.   

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2 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

He’s literally like 132 out of what 142 on release time with a bad oline…. Can he be good?  Sure but let’s be real that offense is a liability right now and release time is a big part of that.  He literally only throws good passes on the run and when he’s not over thinking.   

Ok.

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37 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Good lord If you can’t count on your quarterback to throw from the pocket a good pass unliess he’s on the run.  Your point isn’t good.  That’s not hard to see at this point but keep acting like he’s a heisman contender.  I’m just saying this team isn’t a contender until we can count on easy passes getting completed from the pocket.   The rest of the country knows that. 

Actually the heisman contender in this game threw three picks and zero tds.  Sorry for your loss. 

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41 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

He’s literally like 132 out of what 142 on release time with a bad oline…. Can he be good?  Sure but let’s be real that offense is a liability right now and release time is a big part of that.  He literally only throws good passes on the run and when he’s not over thinking.   

OMG! Release time!

Just beat the fuck out of the dirt burglars, but release time!

I actually feel bad for you sad fucks that can’t appreciate a good win and a good QB performance.

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1 hour ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

He started turning the corner at Florida. Most people couldn’t see it.

I saw it. It actually made the Florida game worse for me bc I said arch was fine/good given the context unlike OSU where it felt like he was point shaving. Fixing 1 guy is easier/better than fixing the entire team which was the difference between OSU game and Florida. 

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Just now, Wulaw Horn said:

I saw it. It actually made the Florida game worse for me bc I said arch was fine/good given the context unlike OSU where it felt like he was point shaving. Fixing 1 guy is easier/better than fixing the entire team which was the difference between OSU game and Florida. 

I actually bought Arch looked ok against Sam but that was Sam.   At least he’s not throwing the ball in the dirt.  
 

ous defense was #1 in the country.  To still come after the guy after a win like this is something else.  I feel sorry for people who can’t enjoy a win like this. 

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1 minute ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

I actually bought Arch looked ok against Sam but that was Sam.   At least he’s not throwing the ball in the dirt.  
 

ous defense was #1 in the country.  To still come after the guy after a win like this is something else.  I feel sorry for people who can’t enjoy a win like this. 

He sort of sucked in the first 2 drives against same (scored TD and didn’t throw incomplete but ball was in wrong spot and/or to the wrong guy, but he played legitimately good after that. He’s going on 10  quarters in a row of pretty solid play. After about 10 quarters of shitty play to open the season. 

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7 minutes ago, Victor Lazlo said:

OMG! Release time!

Just beat the fuck out of the dirt burglars, but release time!

I actually feel bad for you sad fucks that can’t appreciate a good win and a good QB performance.

Talk to me after Georgia or Vanderbilt even if you don’t think your QB with a shitty oline with one of the worst releases times in college football isn’t a problem..  

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17 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Seriously watch Ty Simpson play and how fast he goes through his progressions. FYI Simpson went to a HS with just 500 people in Tennessee as well.

Why do I have to be so serious about it?? I enjoyed it a lot more and saw just as much relaxed on the couch with a beer in my hand.

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33 minutes ago, Hook1997 said:

Talk to me after Georgia or Vanderbilt even if you don’t think your QB with a shitty oline with one of the worst releases times in college football isn’t a problem..  

OK, yeah, we’ll talk after those games.

So, just to be sure, you are not happy with a 23-6 win over #6 Oklahoma because of your theory that QB release times determine outcomes?

okay

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3 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

Good lord If you can’t count on your quarterback to throw from the pocket a good pass unliess he’s on the run.  Your point isn’t good.  That’s not hard to see at this point but keep acting like he’s a heisman contender.  I’m just saying this team isn’t a contender until we can count on easy passes getting completed from the pocket.   The rest of the country knows that. 

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2 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

Talk to me after Georgia or Vanderbilt even if you don’t think your QB with a shitty oline with one of the worst releases times in college football isn’t a problem..  

I think the answer is for the last three years is that Texas was almost dead last in the entire FBS in red zone scoring. With at least 3 different QBs. Arch will continue to improve. I submit he would be further along this season had we had typical practices starting in the spring and not changed the entire offseason practice model to light no contact practices (NFL Prostyle.) or how we came off flat, disjointed and discombobulated off a bye week to play a weak Florida team helmed by Slingblade. That’s on Sark.

You act like we didn’t already make it extremely difficult on ourselves to sniff the playoffs before the season started. Winning out would be amazing but I just have to look forward one game at a time. You should too. We already have two losses. One loss was an offensive failure and Arch played poorly. The loss to Florida was a team failure and Arch was actually one of the bright spots. He’s a mobile QB who would have benefitted from heavy 140 play practices with contact in the offseason. He’s trying to put the pieces together. he does need to get rid of the ball faster and I am sure that’s a focus of how the staff works with him in practice. Or I hope it is. 
 

And most of us see the type of improvement in him that bodes well for us if we want to win out. Putting in Caldwell won’t change anything. Or make it better or did you not see we have been nearly dead last in red zone scoring the last three years in the entire FBS? 

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3 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

Good lord If you can’t count on your quarterback to throw from the pocket a good pass unliess he’s on the run.  Your point isn’t good.  That’s not hard to see at this point but keep acting like he’s a heisman contender.  I’m just saying this team isn’t a contender until we can count on easy passes getting completed from the pocket.   The rest of the country knows that. 

You are creating opposition where it doesn’t exist. No one thinks he’s playing well enough to be a top QB this year let alone the top offensive player in football. No one.

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30 minutes ago, scramblyn said:
1 hour ago, GhostofDanJones said:

He did well yesterday. I for one owe Arch an apology for doubting him. 

Honestly he’s given plenty of reasons to doubt him but yesterday showed some improvement.   I thought he played well given that was the #1 defense ina rivalry game.   Not sure why some can’t be happy for his success.  Well, I can imagine why 

30 minutes ago, scramblyn said:

You are creating opposition where it doesn’t exist. No one thinks he’s playing well enough to be a top QB this year let alone the top offensive player in football. No one.

Yep. I’d say at least 1/3 of this board wants to bench him.   Again, far from perfect but he’s showing signs of figuring things out imo.  
 

the heisma favorite was the one that threw three picks yesterday

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13 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Sark's pro style offense is a double edge sword. On one hand its a bit clunky and inefficient when you dont have studs everywhere like Saban Bama. That said its also why he gets the QBs he does. Kids wanna learn it so they can be ready for the next level. I dont think Arch comes here if its the air raid. 

I think Sark is learning that a program like Texas that "recruits well" isn't quite the same as a Bama or Georgia of the recent past.  And learning himself that just stacking the talent like cordwood isn't all that easy.

And I think that's a mistake all of us associated with this program make.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think Sark is learning that a program like Texas that "recruits well" isn't quite the same as a Bama or Georgia of the recent past.  And learning himself that just stacking the talent like cordwood isn't all that easy.

And I think that's a mistake all of us associated with this program make.

Yeah, a lot of this. When a program like Tceh gets 5-stars to Lubbock and can go from bottom dweller to #7 because they have a billionaire with deep pockets who wants a hobby...the game has changed. And there are more than a thousand billionaires in the US when all it takes is one with some drive to adopt a program. Horns fans  are a bizarre duality of appreciating the difference NIL makes while not understanding the difference NIL makes.

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10 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

What do Arch’s teammates think about Arch? At the end of the day that’s what matters. They are the ones in the trenches with him.
 

"He proved today, he's a great quarterback and we're all behind him," wide receiver Parker Livingstone said. "He's the leader of this team and the leader of this offense." 

"Arch can make every throw in the book," wide receiver DeAndre Moore said. "It's really about what the defense is giving us. They played a lot of deep coverage and Arch took advantage of that. It was a really great game plan." 
 

and our secret 🤫 vey helpful Sooner teammate:

"He did a nice job," Oklahoma coach Brent Venables said. "We lost contain a few times to allow him to buy some time. And he's a good player with good skill guys around him. He played with really good poise and made some good plays in tight coverage." 
 

I mean I get it…I only have three quotes (Venables is like a Manchurian Horn man) and Wisner also bragged on Arch post game. I am sure I could find more accolades from other teammates.
 

But if we hope to sniff the playoffs it’s what his teammates think he can do to get them the W that matters. And they seem to believe he can. Hopefully, we can win out. 

I believe Arch's struggle was affecting the team which jumped to horrible life against Florida. Before OU, I saw the usual habit of Arch running around pre-game encouraging the team, and I wondered just how hollow it felt to the other players. Arch is sincere to the core, so it was not mere show. My point is that the team has spent weeks trying to encourage him. That gets old when you begin to believe it won't matter.

Arch's successful plays in the second half, improvised or otherwise, made him inspirational rather than struggling. The offense began playing with more belief and fed on Arch's plays where he turned third and hopeless into a fucking first down by gunning a perfect pass to the sideline while on the run.

Everything changes. 

I hope we can do this becomes fuck yeah, we're doing this, motherfucker.

Oddly, getting a couple of scores ahead seemed to have a temporary negative effect on stellar defensive performance. Were we suddenly more cautious and going victory defense? I don't know, but that changed, too. The end of the game was a slaughter. It was beautiful.

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4 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I believe Arch's struggle was affecting the team which jumped to horrible life against Florida. 

WTF.

Florida was coming off his best game of the season vs SHSU.

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8 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I believe Arch's struggle was affecting the team which jumped to horrible life against Florida. Before OU, I saw the usual habit of Arch running around pre-game encouraging the team, and I wondered just how hollow it felt to the other players. Arch is sincere to the core, so it was not mere show. My point is that the team has spent weeks trying to encourage him. That gets old when you begin to believe it won't matter.

Arch's successful plays in the second half, improvised or otherwise, made him inspirational rather than struggling. The offense began playing with more belief and fed on Arch's plays where he turned third and hopeless into a fucking first down by gunning a perfect pass to the sideline while on the run.

Everything changes. 

I hope we can do this becomes fuck yeah, we're doing this, motherfucker.

Oddly, getting a couple of scores ahead seemed to have a temporary negative effect on stellar defensive performance. Were we suddenly more cautious and going victory defense? I don't know, but that changed, too. The end of the game was a slaughter. It was beautiful.

We can win a lot of games moving forward if we can play the same complete game we did vs the sooners: efficient managing by Arch, defense being stout, have some run game by RB/Oline, special teams being neutral/positive.

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I normally don’t even look at this thread but I feel amazing this morning so I thought i would read all the good vibes going out QB’s way and what do I find?  Someone talking release time! Release time! WTF.

i still feel amazing you go Arch way to ball out!

 

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5 hours ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

He started turning the corner at Florida. Most people couldn’t see it.

Why do people on the football board do this?

Had he led a great drive that gave us the possibility of scoring at the end, then you could crow. He didn't. Just coming close would prove your point, but that didn't happen either. He didn't even look like he'd turned a corner in the first half of OU. The sun rose burnt orange after that.

Sark was vindicated in sticking with Manning. One could argue forever about the past games, but that does nothing. We'll never know what would have happened with Caldwell no matter how many times certain elements believe their absolute declarations have any weight.

There is a strange, to me anyway, parallel sport for some sports fans where careful noting of their own and other's opinions over time leads to petty victories of declaring someone else wrong when you were right. There are grudge matches and rivalries and even cheating (specious recollections of other's words) in this sport. It often seems to supersede the sport on the field. 

It's what makes the football board often insufferable although the worst aspect is repeating the same opinion unsupported declaration (they're opinions in the form of predictions) in the same words over and over on as many threads as possible.

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10 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

WTF.

Florida was coming off his best game of the season vs SHSU.

I didn't see SHSU. Oh, and it was SHSU. I don't follow your point about that affecting what I saw against Florida where we lost to a poor team.

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33 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think Sark is learning that a program like Texas that "recruits well" isn't quite the same as a Bama or Georgia of the recent past.  And learning himself that just stacking the talent like cordwood isn't all that easy.

And I think that's a mistake all of us associated with this program make.

Especially with other alums with money to burn (see Texas Tech and Indiana) are entering the chat. And there will always be the next up and coming coach who can work magic with far less. Stacking talent is fool’s gold. Have to coach up that talent and have a staff that’s on the ball. Oregon looked like from the outside looking in like a team that had flipped that switch this year…and there is still a ways to go but despite all the NIL and portal fuckery there is still quite a bit of parity among the top say 60 or so FBS teams. Any one of them can spoil your chances. 

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28 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I believe Arch's struggle was affecting the team which jumped to horrible life against Florida. Before OU, I saw the usual habit of Arch running around pre-game encouraging the team and I wondered just how hollow it felt to the other players. Arch is sincere to the core, so it was not mere show. My point is that the team has spent weeks trying to encourage him. That gets old when you begin to believe it won't matter.

Arch's successful plays in the second, improvised or otherwise, makes him inspirational rather than struggling. The offense began playing with more belief and fed on Arch's plays where he turns third and hopeless into a fucking first down by gunning a perfect pass to the sideline while on the run.

Everything changes. 

I hope we can do this becomes fuck yeah, we're doing this, motherfucker.

Oddly, getting a couple of scores ahead seemed to have a temporary negative effect on stellar defensive performance. Were we suddenly more cautious and going victory defense? I don't know, but that changed, too. The end of the game was a slaughter. It was beautiful.

I agree with some of your assessment and differ with others. 

I'll start with the broader agreement. Team cohesion, whether college football, military or corporate is always reliant on the mutual trust among the team members. This trust must be, from origin, fostered by the HC, Generals, CEO and other leadership. The trickle down effect at the individual contribution level requires each part (PART) of the team believe in the others (PARTs) ability to do their job and do it well. 

Marketing counts on sales to follow up brand awareness and product launch, sales counts on operations to do their job daily and on engineering to provide good product, etc. 

At the broadest level, D counts on O to score and O counts on D to stop scoring. RB and QB depend on OL to provide running lanes and time. WR count on QB to get the ball  to them and OL to give them time to do so. 

Which is all logical. However, given the NFL approach of Sark in the spring and summer, all parts had to take it on faith that this would occur. It didn't, not surprisingly and so faith and trust in the upper management and their fellow (parts) suffered greatly. Instead of building that trust in practice in off season it was occurring on game day. Management also failed because they assumed the parts would work. They didn't, so they too had to adjust, during actual game and based on game results.

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20 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Why do people on the football board do this?

Had he led a great drive that gave us the possibility of scoring at the end, then you could crow. He didn't. Just coming close would prove your point, but that didn't happen either. He didn't even look like he'd turned a corner in the first half of OU. The sun rose burnt orange after that.

Sark was vindicated in sticking with Manning. One could argue forever about the past games, but that does nothing. We'll never know what would have happened with Caldwell no matter how many times certain elements believe their absolute declarations have any weight.

There is a strange, to me anyway, parallel sport for some sports fans where careful noting of their own and other's opinions over time leads to petty victories of declaring someone else wrong when you were right. There are grudge matches and rivalries and even cheating (specious recollections of other's words) in this sport. It often seems to supersede the sport on the field. 

It's what makes the football board often insufferable although the worst aspect is repeating the same opinion unsupported declaration (they're opinions in the form of predictions) in the same words over and over on as many threads as possible.

You were part of the chorus that suggested Caldwell should start or get significant snaps. Talk about insufferable. It was such a ridiculous overreaction and made it clear that a lot of people on here don't know what they're watching on the field. 

You showed your ass, just own up to it. We all make mistakes. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I agree with some of your assessment and differ with others. 

I'm sorry, it's all or nothing. I hate you.

Actually, I agree with you. At least I won't contest what you say about leading up to the season because it seems you know more than I do.

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6 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I'm sorry, it's all or nothing. I hate you.

Actually, I agree with you. At least I won't contest what you say about leading up to the season because it seems you know more than I do.

It’s all or nothing for the anti Arch crowd.  Some of yall are still dogging him.  We beat ou, #1 defense in the nation. Give the kid a break.  Plenty of us have criticized him but to me yesterday was not the day

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13 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

You were part of the chorus that suggested Caldwell should start or get significant snaps. Talk about insufferable. It was such a ridiculous overreaction and made it clear that a lot of people on here don't know what they're watching on the field. 

You showed your ass, just own up to it. We all make mistakes. 

 

 

See quote about inaccurate paraphrasing. It's pretty close to lying. You're relying on your emotional state rather than actual words. It shows in how you can't even be sure about what I said in this post. You lump me with a chorus, evidently, in hopes of obscuring your intellectual dishonesty.

Sorry to rob you of your petty victory. If you want to lie to your friends about what I wrote and claim victory, I'm fine with that. Your world must be very small.

Just don't expect me to validate it.

I stated continued incompetent play by Arch would justify giving Caldwell a chance based on "the very thin line of evidence" of his successful play among the disaster of the closing "drive" against Florida. I stated often times that I like Arch and want him to succeed.

Your response?

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The pinnacle of detached reasoning. Bravo!

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We have a bunch of concerned troll posters on this site. I think Satya posted only once in the game thread when we were already up 3 scores and OU was driving on us. He posted something like "OU is carving up our defense." I remember thinking this can't be a real post! Look at this thread. Despite putting up a very efficient performance against the #1 defense in the country, some people are choosing to harp on the negatives rather than feeling happy about beating our arch rival who we have had trouble beating even with some of our best teams. There are times to be concerned and this definitely ain't it.

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