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6 hours ago, Codaxx said:

This is the difference between coaches that maximize talent and those that do not. 5 stars are generally good in any system. To get the most out of your recruiting the bottom half of your class needs to fit into the system to maximize them. 

I fully agree with all the points you and @Thatguy are discussing. For me the most frustrating part is a combination effect. They don't necessarily recruit the best players for the system they want to run. Is that star gazing or bad recruiting evaluation, I can't say for sure. Whichever the reason, once they get them in, they seem no to evaluate the existing talent and force them into the scheme they WANT to run. As opposed to, figuring out what they CAN run and executing that aspect. That's clear this year and last. Since this is the Arch thread, crazy news. Arch has different strengths and weaknesses than Quinn had at QB. Yet even when the staff finds a game plan that works well for the QB and the other players around him, they seem determined not to stick with it and revert instead to what they WANT to run. That leads to an offense without and identity. The undefeated teams IU, OSU and even some one and two loss teams, Tech, ND, Oregon all have a clear identity. 

To pile on top, IF a team has an offensive identity you can then focus how to adapt that identity to best align a game plan to differing defenses. For instance, GT is a heavy running identity team averaging about 200 yards per game. (What a dream that would be) However, what's usually worked wasn't going to against Georgia. So GT made adjustments and ended up throwing for nearly 200. It's not great, but they were badly outmatched and a very well coached D (miss ya homie) made a game of it. 

 

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5 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

I fully agree with all the points you and @Thatguy are discussing. For me the most frustrating part is a combination effect. They don't necessarily recruit the best players for the system they want to run. Is that star gazing or bad recruiting evaluation, I can't say for sure. Whichever the reason, once they get them in, they seem no to evaluate the existing talent and force them into the scheme they WANT to run. As opposed to, figuring out what they CAN run and executing that aspect. That's clear this year and last. Since this is the Arch thread, crazy news. Arch has different strengths and weaknesses than Quinn had at QB. Yet even when the staff finds a game plan that works well for the QB and the other players around him, they seem determined not to stick with it and revert instead to what they WANT to run. That leads to an offense without and identity. The undefeated teams IU, OSU and even some one and two loss teams, Tech, ND, Oregon all have a clear identity. 

To pile on top, IF a team has an offensive identity you can then focus how to adapt that identity to best align a game plan to differing defenses. For instance, GT is a heavy running identity team averaging about 200 yards per game. (What a dream that would be) However, what's usually worked wasn't going to against Georgia. So GT made adjustments and ended up throwing for nearly 200. It's not great, but they were badly outmatched and a very well coached D (miss ya homie) made a game of it. 

 

Solid points. We changed our offense from a 12 personnel NFL based offense, to a 11 personnel, spread based offense. You know who belonged in a spread offense? Quinn Ewers. Yet we stuffed him into an offense that didn't fit his skillset for 3 years. Sark only changes when he has to not because it makes sense. Probably his worst human quality. Last year Quinn operated just good enough that his hand wasn't forced, so he made no changes. This year his job was on the line so he made a change. But for how long? You know he is just dying to go back to that clunky ass offense. I mean, we don't have 7 TEs on this team because we don't plan on using them. 🤣😂

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6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Solid points. We changed our offense from a 12 personnel NFL based offense, to a 11 personnel, spread based offense. You know who belonged in a spread offense? Quinn Ewers. Yet we stuffed him into an offense that didn't fit his skillset for 3 years. Sark only changes when he has to not because it makes sense. Probably his worst human quality. Last year Quinn operated just good enough that his hand wasn't forced, so he made no changes. This year his job was on the line so he made a change. But for how long? You know he is just dying to go back to that clunky ass offense. I mean, we don't have 7 TEs on this team because we don't plan on using them🤣😂

Dammit!

Speaking of recruiting talent to align with scheme and creating an identity you know what doesn't fucking help?

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7 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Solid points. We changed our offense from a 12 personnel NFL based offense, to a 11 personnel, spread based offense. You know who belonged in a spread offense? Quinn Ewers. Yet we stuffed him into an offense that didn't fit his skillset for 3 years. Sark only changes when he has to not because it makes sense. Probably his worst human quality. Last year Quinn operated just good enough that his hand wasn't forced, so he made no changes. This year his job was on the line so he made a change. But for how long? You know he is just dying to go back to that clunky ass offense. I mean, we don't have 7 TEs on this team because we don't plan on using them. 🤣😂

Didn't we play a decent amount of 12 personnel vs A&M?

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18 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Didn't we play a decent amount of 12 personnel vs A&M?

We always play some because that motherfucker can't himself. At least it's no longer the base offense. almost everything positive that happened in that game happened in 11 personnel. If I recall the Endries big play and subsequent TE TD run on the gl were in 12, but I think most of Wisner's big runs were 11. I know his biggest one was. So was the Wingo TD. So was Arch's run. 

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34 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

We always play some because that motherfucker can't himself. At least it's no longer the base offense. almost everything positive that happened in that game happened in 11 personnel. If I recall the Endries big play and subsequent TE TD run on the gl were in 12, but I think most of Wisner's big runs were 11. I know his biggest one was. So was the Wingo TD. So was Arch's run. 

We didn't have great personnel for it this year and didn't execute well. But it worked really well against A&M. 

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21 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

We didn't have great personnel for it this year and didn't execute well. But it worked really well against A&M. 

Shit, we didn't have great personnel for it last year either unless you consider Juan Davis good personnel. Lol 

26 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Why is that?

What part are you asking about? 

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26 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Shit, we didn't have great personnel for it last year either unless you consider Juan Davis good personnel. Lol 

What part are you asking about? 

Yes, I slammed my head against the table every slow ass 3 yard pass with zero yac or tackle breaking that went Davis' way. 

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27 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Shit, we didn't have great personnel for it last year either unless you consider Juan Davis good personnel. Lol 

Strange thing is I actually we could be setup pretty well for next year. But we really need better teaching on blocking scheme and technique, and better coordination with the line. 

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8 hours ago, BlackCat said:

I suspect our run games issues have as much to do with Sark as they do Flood. Im not sure the scheme nor the playcalling put them in a strong position and Sark controls both. 

Sark shouldn’t have Flood as run game coordinator then. He should hire an offensive coordinator and just stick to play design. Teach the OC his system. Let someone up in the booth find holes in the defense. 

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6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Strange thing is I actually we could be setup pretty well for next year. But we really need better teaching on blocking scheme and technique, and better coordination with the line. 

Wanna know why I hate 12 personnel? Check this out. 

I quickly charted what we ran. We ran 17 plays out of 12 personnel, 6 passes and 11 runs, for a total of 115 yards. 70 yards passing and 45 yards running. Seems like its not bad right? Until you look deeper. We were 2-6 passing with the only two pass plays being the Endries catch and run plus the Endries drag route for 10 yards. Every other throw was an incompletion. In the run game we popped a 15 yarder and then when we were trying to salt the game away, aggy loaded the box and got flanked and we popped a 25 yarder. All the other runs were, 2 yards, 2 yard loss, 4 yard run, 2 yard loss, 2 yard loss, 3 yard loss, 2 yard run, 1 yard loss, and a 7 yard run. 

12 personnel is pretty boom or bust, with a lot more bust. You take away 4 plays and we gained 5 yards on 13 plays. 

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

In the run game we popped a 15 yarder and then when we were trying to salt the game away, aggy loaded the box and got flanked and we popped a 25 yarder. All the other runs were, 2 yards, 2 yard loss, 4 yard run, 2 yard loss, 2 yard loss, 3 yard loss, 2 yard run, 1 yard loss, and a 7 yard run. 

12 personnel is pretty boom or bust, with a lot more bust. You take away 4 plays and we gained 5 yards on 13 plays. 

I'm surprised two TEs blocking can't improve the running game.

Which two are playing in 12 most often? Endries and Townsend? I know Shannon is kinda useless.

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5 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

I'm surprised two TEs blocking can't improve the running game.

Which two are playing in 12 most often? Endries and Townsend? I know Shannon is kinda useless.

I would say almost 50/50 with maybe a Townsend lean. 

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On 12/1/2025 at 9:01 PM, elguapo said:

Thanks for putting the time in to cut up these clips and completely agree that the Georgia DL beat up our OL for most of that game, they had an elite DL last season and Kirby does a great job of prepping his team for our running scheme.
 

On that last play while Cam whiffed I really would have liked to see Quinn recognize the blitz was coming climb the pocket and come off his first read quicker, we had guys open over the middle.

What pocket? That was a CB blitz and the safety gave no reads that they were blitzing. Quinn’s reads were center or left which was away from the blitz. Herbstreit mentions that safety did a magnificent job of hiding that blitz for the CB. He tried to throw to the only open guy he had lol. Cam just sucks ass, he fucked that exact same play up against Ohio state that cost them the game. Quinn had his flaws like every qb does but most of his issues stemmed from sark being a stubborn, egotistical asshole with his offensive scheme. 

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I think our D-line had to do with why Stroh got mis-evaluated. We don't have penetrating, havoc causing DTs at the moment. Stroh probably held up pretty well against them. Had this been 2023, he would've been figured out at the first practice vs the 1's. Lol 

Snap. You meant snap. Sweat or Murphy would have tossed him into Ewers for a sack like Reggie White did that wr.
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Solid points. We changed our offense from a 12 personnel NFL based offense, to a 11 personnel, spread based offense. You know who belonged in a spread offense? Quinn Ewers. Yet we stuffed him into an offense that didn't fit his skillset for 3 years. Sark only changes when he has to not because it makes sense. Probably his worst human quality. Last year Quinn operated just good enough that his hand wasn't forced, so he made no changes. This year his job was on the line so he made a change. But for how long? You know he is just dying to go back to that clunky ass offense. I mean, we don't have 7 TEs on this team because we don't plan on using them. 

I complained the last couple of years about the dumb ass offense Sark ran. I agree, Ewers would have killed it in a 4/5 wide spread offense. Mike Leach would have had him pass for 10,000 yards.
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1 hour ago, DFW Horn said:

I'm surprised two TEs blocking can't improve the running game.

Which two are playing in 12 most often? Endries and Townsend? I know Shannon is kinda useless.

Take a look at this quality TE blocking big dawg. Both TEs do everything they can ta make sure their man is the one who tackles the RB. It was like this last year AND in 2023. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, WinningIsHard said:

What pocket? That was a CB blitz and the safety gave no reads that they were blitzing. Quinn’s reads were center or left which was away from the blitz. Herbstreit mentions that safety did a magnificent job of hiding that blitz for the CB. He tried to throw to the only open guy he had lol. Cam just sucks ass, he fucked that exact same play up against Ohio state that cost them the game. Quinn had his flaws like every qb does but most of his issues stemmed from sark being a stubborn, egotistical asshole with his offensive scheme. 

It was always Cam Williams. 4th down and goal. Ball has to go in the end zone no matter what. QB can't throw it away and play another down and you pick that time to whiff on your responsibility with everything on the line. Shameful. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, DFW Horn said:

I'm surprised two TEs blocking can't improve the running game.

Which two are playing in 12 most often? Endries and Townsend? I know Shannon is kinda useless.

Townsend isnt the best blocker but he at least has shown a willingness be physical. He has been a useful puller. Shannon graded really well vs A&M. I do agree with you that in general the biggest issue in 12 personnel is TE blocking. Inviting everyone in the box with TEs that struggle to block and an OL that struggles to pick up stunts i snot a recipe for success 

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With the defenses we’ve put on the field the last couple of years I 100% believe sark could have two rings - at least one - if he’d run a spread with these two QBs. With all the talk about Quinn this and that, his touch and quick release I will go to my grave thinking sark has left titles on the field with his stubborn ass bullshit. 

I don’t know what next year’s defense is going to look like with Hill, Moore, Burke, etc gone and who knows at DT - seems like a portal success yearly - but if we can field a good defense and sark runs the spread even no huddle we could easily win the whole fucking thing.

upgrade some OL, possibly WR and RB and a smattering of D players but the core offense in the spread could fuck peoples shit up.  
 

really reminds me of the 7 years with VY and Colt and we only got one. We are in year 4 of the next best stretch of Texas QBs and we are at ZERO titles. 

/mad face/

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37 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

We’ve yet to have good blocking from our tight ends during Sarks tenure. 

Townsend is the only one we've got right now that shows any aggression. The rest are screeners.

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Don't know about y'all, but I feel great about Arch next year. It was a wild season but he settled in at the end. We have to see how it plays out, but I expect a significant upgrade at OL and RB next year after portal additions. That alone will do wonders for him. 

Still lots to work on for Arch personally...needs more anticipation and touch on some throws. Needs to tighten up his mechanics as well. But even with the dramatically up and down season, we saw a guy with elite pocket presence/movement, he can get through multiple reads, upper tier QB athleticism, he became a vocal leader, and he's tough as fuck. 

I do believe that all he's been through this year will make him stronger and better.  2026 is gonna be a big jump for him. LFG. 

 

 

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Evan and canty had Mel on.  They asked if the Rams could trade up and entice Arch into coming out early.   
 

Mel said arch is flat not ready, which I ageee with, and will not be in any of his mocks unless he declares

6 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Arch is the ONLY part of next year's offense I have confidence in.  The rest looks underwhelming.....at best. 

Yep.  Maybe the young receivers step up but talent isn’t peak 

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The way Arch finished gives me hope...but he still needs to improve on his touch and short/quick pass game.  The Simple throws.

He's a gamer, can make big plays, keep the play alive...and run.  Just need to do that small shit and become a legitimate Heisman guy.  

I think he can.

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54 minutes ago, Drew said:

The way Arch finished gives me hope...but he still needs to improve on his touch and short/quick pass game.  The Simple throws.

He's a gamer, can make big plays, keep the play alive...and run.  Just need to do that small shit and become a legitimate Heisman guy.  

I think he can.

natty or bust

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1 hour ago, scramblyn said:

With the defenses we’ve put on the field the last couple of years I 100% believe sark could have two rings - at least one - if he’d run a spread with these two QBs. With all the talk about Quinn this and that, his touch and quick release I will go to my grave thinking sark has left titles on the field with his stubborn ass bullshit. 

I don’t know what next year’s defense is going to look like with Hill, Moore, Burke, etc gone and who knows at DT - seems like a portal success yearly - but if we can field a good defense and sark runs the spread even no huddle we could easily win the whole fucking thing.

upgrade some OL, possibly WR and RB and a smattering of D players but the core offense in the spread could fuck peoples shit up.  
 

really reminds me of the 7 years with VY and Colt and we only got one. We are in year 4 of the next best stretch of Texas QBs and we are at ZERO titles. 

/mad face/

 

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Don't know about y'all, but I feel great about Arch next year. It was a wild season but he settled in at the end. We have to see how it plays out, but I expect a significant upgrade at OL and RB next year after portal additions. That alone will do wonders for him. 

Still lots to work on for Arch personally...needs more anticipation and touch on some throws. Needs to tighten up his mechanics as well. But even with the dramatically up and down season, we saw a guy with elite pocket presence/movement, he can get through multiple reads, upper tier QB athleticism, he became a vocal leader, and he's tough as fuck. 

I do believe that all he's been through this year will make him stronger and better.  2026 is gonna be a big jump for him. LFG. 

 

 

Every QB has shortcomings and its up to the coaches to work around them. Just like basketball, some players are elite at attacking the rim. Like Steph, some people are pure shooters. You don't ask prime Westbrook to be Steph and vice versa. 

Arch has what it takes to win a title but you have to recognize his skillset and put him in a position to win. Sark, needing to save his job, put Arch in something the better utilized his skillset.........7 games into the season and cost us a playoff spot!

Here is where he is failing to do that with the test of the team. 

Receiver- It was pretty obvious to me as soon as he stepped on Campus that Wingo was not him. Worthy had holes in his game but he played with fire and tenacity. So as soon as we stopped trying to make him a deep threat he blossomed in the short game, where we could get him the ball and let him work. Wingo doesn't, for his size and explosiveness, does not go up and get the ball in traffic, and on screens and sweeps the littlest contact with his feet and he goes down. Yet we keep trying to get him the football like this time will be different. Spread the ball around to whoever is winning. Also, we've got a lot of young talent on the bench. Give them a chance to see what they can do.

RB- Same as receiver. Baxter is a one cut and north south guy, why are we running him in OZ? Also, we need to be getting the other backs some experience. We stumbled on Brooks and Wisner being good, maybe there is another "isn't supposed to be a starter" in the stable too. Never going to know if we don't get them touches. 

TE- Most athletic ones on the field period. I was tired of seeing Juan Davis out there just wasting a spot last year. Everyone knew he wasn't getting the ball and his blocking left a decent amount to be desired too. 

Oline- This staff has no identity that they are building to. Sark coaches like he thinks we are a downhill running team but then your last two LGs are 6'6 and 6'7? You are at a leverage disadvantage as soon as you step on the field. Go look at Michigan. Interior O-line are all roughly 6'4 and shorter. Have an identity and build to that identity. The last two years your O-line play has lost you every game but one. Address it!

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2 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Evan and canty had Mel on.  They asked if the Rams could trade up and entice Arch into coming out early.   
 

Mel said arch is flat not ready, which I ageee with, and will not be in any of his mocks unless he declares

Yep.  Maybe the young receivers step up but talent isn’t peak 

Not ripping on you, but Mel Kiper doesn't know shit about fuck. 

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