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Posted
Just now, TwiceHorn said:

As a long time watcher, its usually the passing that makes the setting shitty, rather than the setting being shitty itself.

Oh, absolutely. I've said it a million times. 'No pass, no play'.

Posted
9 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yes. Some matches it gets done in the middle of the set (the teen points) and sometimes it’s in the 20s / red zone for Devin’s block to be a factor in closing out a match 

It’s not even a 5-2, it’s just a double sub for 3 rotations for like a small stretch of a set. It’s not consistently every time Ella goes into the back row. Only sometimes 

That's what I thought. I was watching, trying to determine a pattern, but couldn't. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, wood said:

That's what I thought. I was watching, trying to determine a pattern, but couldn't. 

Either Elliot is trying out different times to use it, or it’s a hunch feeling for him 

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Well, that explains why it’s hard to identify. 
 

Can someone explain the weird 2-for-1 sub w/ the libero and a big/little? Don’t think I’ve ever seen that before. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Mittens said:

Well, that explains why it’s hard to identify. 
 

Can someone explain the weird 2-for-1 sub w/ the libero and a big/little? Don’t think I’ve ever seen that before. 

What do you mean?

Posted

I may have to watch a replay and get some screenshots. I *think* this is what I saw:

 

Several times today, the libero would come to the sideline and would be met by 16 and a big (55?), then 16 would come on, and the L and 55 would go to the bench.

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Well 16 is Anja, who is a serving specialist and DS.  And 55 is Bunton, who doesn’t play backrow. Perhaps it is when Halter’s position rotates to the front and she comes off and Bunton’s position rotates to the back and she is replaced by her DS, who is Anja 

I think it’s bc Halter is better playing more middle back and Gary is better at left back. Think it makes our rotations kind of funky?

 

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Posted
54 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Well 16 is Anja, who is a serving specialist and DS.  And 55 is Bunton, who doesn’t play backrow. Perhaps it is when Halter’s position rotates to the front and she comes off and Bunton’s position rotates to the back and she is replaced by her DS, who is Anja 

I think it’s bc Halter is better playing more middle back and Gary is better at left back. Think it makes our rotations kind of funky?

 

I’ve decided that volleyball is more complicated than chess!

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Posted
12 hours ago, Mittens said:

Well, that explains why it’s hard to identify. 
 

Can someone explain the weird 2-for-1 sub w/ the libero and a big/little? Don’t think I’ve ever seen that before. 

It is just a serving sub for the Middle Blocker.   So once every rotation the libero has to come off so one MB can serve.   They are putting Anja in to serve, then after the rotation she has to go back out for the middle to go to the back row then right after the substitution the MB gets replaced by the libero again. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Hornsbay22 said:

It is just a serving sub for the Middle Blocker.   So once every rotation the libero has to come off so one MB can serve.   They are putting Anja in to serve, then after the rotation she has to go back out for the middle to go to the back row then right after the substitution the MB gets replaced by the libero again. 

So the L comes off for the MB, who is swapped for 16, and 16 goes in to serve in the MB slot.  And they are all hanging out at the sideline so the table can record/approve the sub?  

Posted
5 minutes ago, Mittens said:

So the L comes off for the MB, who is swapped for 16, and 16 goes in to serve in the MB slot.  And they are all hanging out at the sideline so the table can record/approve the sub?  

Yes, the scorer has to see the MB come back on for her rotation, and the DS the sub in for her to serve

You don't want to half-ass those rotations/subs or you get called for it on the serve and its a free point for the other team (out of rotation) 

Posted

Also re: the Gary one-armed dig above - 

Will be sad to see Halter go (😭O), but Gary could be the starting libero today for any team in the country.  We won't see a big drop off when Halter graduates and Gary has the black jersey next year. 

Krueger will likely be the full-time DS in 2026, in preparation for her to to be starting libero in 2027 as a RS SO.  Assuming we don't pluck a starting caliber libero/DS out of the portal next year with multiple years of eligibility 

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Posted

OK, follow up question:  

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So once every rotation the libero has to come off so one MB can serve.

I don't understand this part.  Why can't the L stay on and serve?  I know we see L serving all the time, so what is the rule that applies here?

 

(I really should know all this, as my capstone coaching course was volleyball, but it was also 30 years ago)

Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, Mittens said:

OK, follow up question:  

I don't understand this part.  Why can't the L stay on and serve?  I know we see L serving all the time, so what is the rule that applies here?

 

(I really should know all this, as my capstone coaching course was volleyball, but it was also 30 years ago)

The L is a back row player only. When her position rotates to the front row and subsequently gets replaced, she has to sit one rally until she can come back in to replace and play her back row rotations. Hence the serving sub instead being a DS

The exception would be a Mb who serves, like O’Neal, who plays 1 back row rotation. Believe Ames also served and played 1 rotation in the back at times last year 

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Posted

I don't know that that exactly works in my head, but it works enough.  Like I said, it usually takes me til mid-season to re-recognize the patterns and understand the rotations again.  

Posted

The L can sub in for any back row player but once you sub out, you have to sit out a rally. A lot of teams are experimenting with the two L system, where one serves and then subs out for one to do serve receive.

You have to be pretty on top of your subs so you don’t run out. I remember a match last year where Nebraska’s L had to play her front row rotations because they ran out of subs lol 

Posted (edited)

Bad Ass Games of the Week:

Tuesday
#10 aggy @ #11 SMU - 6pm
#6 Stanford @ #16 Missouri - 830pm

Wednesday
#4 Kentucky and #9 Pittsburgh (FW) - 5:30pm
#2 Texas and #3 Louisville (FW) - 8pm
#10 aggy @ #24 TCU - 6:30pm

Thursday
#18 BYU @ #22 USC - 8pm

Friday
#21 Utah @ #1 Nebraska - 6pm
#3 Louisville @ #13 Creighton - 8pm 
#8 Wisconsin @ #23 Georgia Tech - 6pm
#16 Missouri @ #24 TCU - 6:30pm

Saturday
#11 SMU @ #4 Kentucky - 2pm
Rice @ #13 Creighton - 4pm

Sunday
#7 ASU @ #2 Texas - 2pm
#20 Baylor @ #12 Florida - 12pm
#11 SMU @ #17 Purdue - 10am
 

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New AVCA Poll

1 Nebraska (no change)
2 Texas (no change)
3 Kentucky (+1)
4 Louisville (-1)
5 Stanford (+1)

6 Wisky (+2)
8 aggy (+2)
9 ASU (-2)
11 Florida (+1)
15 TCU (+9)
18 Creighton (-5)
20 Baylor (no change)
23 Missouri (-7)

RV: Tennessee, LSU

With SMU at #10, 5 Texas teams in the top 20.  UTEP is also receiving votes

Texas is a volleyball state now. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Bad Ass Games of the Week:

Tuesday
#10 aggy @ #11 SMU - 6pm
#6 Stanford @ #16 Missouri - 830pm

Wednesday
#4 Kentucky and #9 Pittsburgh (FW) - 5:30pm
#2 Texas and #3 Louisville (FW) - 8pm
#10 aggy @ #24 TCU - 6:30pm

Thursday
#18 BYU @ #22 USC - 8pm

Friday
#21 Utah @ #1 Nebraska - 6pm
#3 Louisville @ #13 Creighton - 8pm 
#8 Wisconsin @ #23 Georgia Tech - 6pm
#16 Missouri @ #24 TCU - 6:30pm

Saturday
#11 SMU @ #4 Kentucky - 2pm
Rice @ #13 Creighton - 4pm

Sunday
#7 ASU @ #2 Texas - 2pm
#20 Baylor @ #12 Florida - 12pm
#11 SMU @ #17 Purdue - 10am
 

Guess you can add this one to Thursday 

#24 UCLA @ (RV) UTEP - 7pm central 

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Posted
6 hours ago, Mittens said:

So the L comes off for the MB, who is swapped for 16, and 16 goes in to serve in the MB slot.  And they are all hanging out at the sideline so the table can record/approve the sub?  

Here's one of the better explanations I found for it:

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Js1 said:

New AVCA Poll

1 Nebraska (no change)
2 Texas (no change)
3 Kentucky (+1)
4 Louisville (-1)
5 Stanford (+1)

6 Wisky (+2)
8 aggy (+2)
9 ASU (-2)
11 Florida (+1)
15 TCU (+9)
18 Creighton (-5)
20 Baylor (no change)
23 Missouri (-7)

RV: Tennessee, LSU

With SMU at #10, 5 Texas teams in the top 20.  UTEP is also receiving votes

Texas is a volleyball state now. 

 

 

So glad to see the Final Four finally coming to Texas next year

Posted
12 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

Our non-conference schedule is a murderer’s row. We’ll be well tested for conference play and the playoffs. 

Every team but Rice is in the top 20, including playing Wisconsin on the road and Creighton and Louisville at neutral sites

It's definitely a great way for a young team to learn to grow up really fast. It is amazing still we won yesterday - that was AVW's worst match of the season and our passing was garbage.

Stafford put the team on her back down 5-10 in the 5th

Posted
9 minutes ago, VirginiaLonghorn said:

Nice to see the daughter of another pro athlete choose Texas .. really is a plus for the program.

🤘

Stanford has Tim Duncan’s daughter. Doesn’t play much though 

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Posted

Stafford 1.81 41% GP (42 attempts)
Halter 1.94 44% GP (16)
Gary 1.90 47% GP 15)
AVW 1.43 29% GP (7)
 

My Eyes Pain GIF

Vintage Texas to win a match with no single player passing above a 2 

Stanford had 3 (Etzler 2.01, Rubin 2.44, Kurt 2.09) 

Posted

People lambasted Stanford for its 23 service errors, but these passing numbers explain why they served the way they did. Serving tough loses some points but also disrupts the opposing offense significantly.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, BevoBae said:

People lambasted Stanford for its 23 service errors, but these passing numbers explain why they served the way they did. Serving tough loses some points but also disrupts the opposing offense significantly.

That is and has been Stanford’s MO under Hambly. They don’t mind 20+ errors if they get 10+ aces and force opponents into abysmally bad passing.

It’s when they have 20+ errors but they do not exert enough pressure in forms of aces and taking teams OOS 

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Service errors are way overrated as a statistic. I'm not saying they're unimportant. They are important. But what is more important is the effectiveness of serves. Otherwise players would be back there serving underhanded. For some servers, they might as well be. 

But because it's measured that's what everyone focuses on. I wish there was a stat for each player that showed the percentage of serves their team scores on. That's way more important than aces, which is also overrated as a stat. Obviously scoring a point is often as much about the rotation a player is in as it is the effectiveness of their serve, but it would still be way more useful than aces and errors, especially as a ratio. That's a dumb measurement of the effectiveness of a server, their aces to error ratio on serves. 

There is a great site I went on that explained the analytics in terms of getting an advantage on one exchange and being able to capitalize on it, even if it wasn't during the very next exchange. It's similar to any net sport. You put the opposition in a disadvantageous situation where their response back over the net is relatively weak, it puts your team in a good spot to make a forceful shot, which may again get returned, but in a weak way such that your team is again able to make a commanding kill shot. The odds to get the point are in your team's favor with each exchange, even if the first hit over the net didn't score. None of that is measured in the aces/errors statistic.

That said, there are times I've seen Stanford service error themselves out of a match, so again, I'm not saying it's unimportant. Just over emphasized by the announcers and fans. 

We see the opposite true on the Texas side sometimes. Not with serves, but with kill shots. Elliott puts a big emphasis on limiting errors, and sometimes IMO it causes our players to choose to tip the ball over rather than letting it rip. But it's hard to argue with the overall results. It can be frustrating to watch as a fan at times. 

Posted
30 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

That said, there are times I've seen Stanford service error themselves out of a match, so again, I'm not saying it's unimportant. Just over emphasized by the announcers and fans. 

 

Yep.  It's not unimportant, but when they only generate 1-2 aces and approach or exceed 10 errors, that usually leads to a loss for them.  Then again, they had 10+ aces on Sunday, put us in passing hell and lost, so whatcha gonna do about it? 

But on the flipside - Texas has been a particularly conservative serving team so far this year.  I think a lot of teams will have decent passing numbers against us, but our block and floor defense makes up for the lack of serving pressure. Teams are .956 in serve reception against us.  It was .933 last year and .919 and .918 in our back to back champ years. 

I do hope we turn our service game on though.  14 aces to 24 errors isn't terrible (Stanford is 28 to 66).  But 2.13 blocks per set and 14.73 digs per set as well - just because teams are in-system doesn't mean they're scoring against us. 

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Also based on our stats (and against the toughest schedule so far, so it is skewed), we look decidedly.... average, at least on paper. I don't even think our hitting %, blocks per set or digs per set are in the top 50 for any category. 

But we are 4-0 with 3 top 25 wins (and 2 were sweeps). 

Posted

I've always felt like Elliott likes to serve conservatively early in the season. When we've had our best serving performances in the tournament the last few years, it wasn't until the last couple of games and then into the opening two rounds of the tournament that I felt he had the players let it rip. 

That could be a whole lot of bollocks. I don't have any data to back that up. It's just been my thought in watching the team. Everyone remembers the championship run where our serves were downright nasty. I'll never forget that Nebraska win. Man, I get so much joy just thinking about that match. But even the year before when we won the championship the serves were filthy come tournament time. 

It's interesting to me we don't have Lauenstein on a dedicated serving pattern. I know she's not back row material, especially with the studs we have back there. I don't know exactly who she would replace. I also don't know how all aspects of her game compare to how she was at Nebraska. But she was an outstanding server when she was in Lincoln. From a serving perspective she should be able to improve the team a great deal from behind the line. But I'm not at practices or anything, so I don't pretend to know what I'm talking about. 

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As far as how this team looks, I feel like Nebraska is so much better than everyone else on paper. But I thought that last year and Penn State took the championship from them. It would be somewhat hilarious to me if Nebraska makes it to the championship game again only to lose. Always the bridesmaid title is already being attached to them. This year could cement it. 

I'm also still unreasonably upset we didn't win the SEC last year. That team was underachieving. I don't know all the reasons, but they never got in sync. I don't think bringing in Carlsen was the right decision, even though she's definitely talented. A better pure setter than Swindle. But the dynamics were off on that team all year. I didn't feel like Skinner was able to live up to her potential either, but I don't have any legitimate speculation why that was. Just an unfulfilling team for me to follow in some ways. And that's okay. We became spoiled. 

Anyway, I'd like to win the SEC. This year is the first year for a tournament, which I've never wanted. But it's there, so I hope we win it. Then let's see what they can do in the NCAA tournament. Long ways to go, with an exciting non con slate ahead. I can hardly wait until tomorrow night. Should be a good one!

Posted
12 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

It's interesting to me we don't have Lauenstein on a dedicated serving pattern. I know she's not back row material, especially with the studs we have back there. I don't know exactly who she would replace. I also don't know how all aspects of her game compare to how she was at Nebraska. But she was an outstanding server when she was in Lincoln. From a serving perspective she should be able to improve the team a great deal from behind the line. But I'm not at practices or anything, so I don't pretend to know what I'm talking about. 

She's not even hitting in warm-ups.  Just tips and dumps.  I don't think her arm is ready.

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Wow this pbp announcer is so bad in the SMU-aggy match. “You can’t take your challenge with you” it’s set 1. Then she said you get 2 per set. That’s incorrect 

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