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Not only would it be impossible, given his rep count, but I'd be against it. He irritates me regularly, but I think he's a good poster.

Come to the game threads.
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Posted
3 minutes ago, immamac said:

I see it a bit different. I see it as these guys know what to do and have practiced the shit out of it, but they don't want to fuck up in game and the pressure and thinking about not fucking up actually is what makes them fuck up. 

I've always had a theory about Quinn going from gunslinger to pocket passer under Sark and I see a lot of that with some of these other mistakes. Sark wants them to be themselves in HIS offense, but they are trying to be what he wants in his offense. Some players figure it out and others it takes them a while. 

 

I think that's why transfers that come in and had great fundamentals and knew who they were did really well for sark and this staff. They come with identity already and just move to execution. 

I can see that. As much pressure as Arch had on him this off season it’s easy to see the whole Offense feeling a little bit of that also. Seems like Wingo is pressing. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Codaxx said:

100% on this. When you dig into the games, it is not 1 person or group. They seem to be tag teaming the errors. I am sure a lot of it new faces. 2nd half of SJS had what 2 starters from the starting playoff lineup (Wingo and Campbell, maybe I am missing someone). Unfortunately, it is going to take some time for everything to gel. 

I think most have accepted that the next 3-4 weeks depending on your take of cupcake status regarding Florida that it will make or break how far this team goes this season.  If Florida is the Florida they rolled out against USF and they have a murder schedule coming up. We have 3 more tune ups before OU.  If there is gradual improvement each week as there should.  Win 

if we continue with penalties, 3rd down. 3rd qtr. red zone issues it will get dicey 

Posted (edited)

Thursday: Bobby

Very interested to see how our Oline performs against UTEP. They lost to Utah State and beat Tennessee Martin. This is not a team we should struggle with, sack and TFL stats notwithstanding. 

Spoiler

OTF Premium Thursday

 

Bobby Burton

By Bobby Burton

  • 2 hours ago
 

First and foremost, the last couple of days, there has been some arguing on this message board that has gone too far.

Name-calling, baiting, overly aggressive tones, etc.

The bottom line is this:

Good people can disagree WITHOUT hurling insults.

That is the expectation here. Please remember that.

**

UTEP leads the country in sacks and is in the top ten in tackles for loss.

Arch Manning will get his fill of different fronts and pressures in this game.

That is a very good thing IMO.

The more he sees now, the better he’ll know how to react during conference play.

This week, Arch needs to take care of the ball, move his feet and move the team.

**

Last Saturday, we witnessed what I believe will be the start of an onslaught of defensive players added to the mix as the season wears on.

Lance Jackson, Ty’Anthony Smith, Xavier Filsaime, Zina Umeozulu, Colton Vasek, Warren Roberson.

I expect more of the same this week.

Perhaps we’ll see more from Justus Terry who caused a hold, Josiah Sharma who was very effective in limited reps, or Kade Phillips who batted down a pass near the end of the game.

Facts are, the back-ups on defense at Texas are very talented. The more reps they get now, the better for it Texas will be later in the year.

**

At wide receiver, look for more Kaliq Lockett and Daylon McCutcheon this week. A lot more.

Emmett Mosley is expected to remain sidelined and I believe the Horns are being extra cautious with DeAndre Moore.

We should also see more of the young tight ends in this contest. Not just Jordan Washington and Nick Townsend, but also Emaree Winston.

Winston was one of the rising stars of spring until a separated shoulder sidelined him early in fall camp.

**

We’ll be on the lookout again for potential appearances from freshmen Nick Brooks and Jonah Williams this week.

**

One thing to keep under your hat:

Offensive guard Nate Kibble was very impressive in his debut. I’m not saying he’s going to beat out the starters, but he showed both quickness and strength whereas others on the OL may lack one or the other.

The Texas coaching staff has been high on him ever since he arrived on campus. It’s clear why.

 

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Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

100% on this. When you dig into the games, it is not 1 person or group. They seem to be tag teaming the errors. I am sure a lot of it new faces. 2nd half of SJS had what 2 starters from the starting playoff lineup (Wingo and Campbell, maybe I am missing someone). Unfortunately, it is going to take some time for everything to gel. 

Mistakes lead to experience and experience often leads to wisdom over time. Reps as a group, with most of the group being young and inexperienced, should be expected to be choppy and inconsistent at the beginning of the learning curve. This was not considered as a collective across the span of CFB (media, fans, etc.) for the Texas offense. It probably should have been. Many people on this thread and across this site still aren't in a spot where they're viewing anything through that lens. 

I'll be surprised if we don't see progress against UTEP, but I'm guessing it will still be frustrating. Should look better again against SHSU. "But it's SHSU!! They should look good!!" No shit. Then, Florida will be an actual exam for what the team has learned and if they're ready on offense to be a part of a title contender, or not.

13 minutes ago, DaysOff said:


Come to the game threads.

No. This post reminds me of when someone smells or tastes something, declares it terrible, and then asks you to try it as well. Why the fuck wouldn't I just take your word for it? 

11 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

I think most have accepted that the next 3-4 weeks depending on your take of cupcake status regarding Florida that it will make or break how far this team goes this season.  If Florida is the Florida they rolled out against USF and they have a murder schedule coming up. We have 3 more tune ups before OU.  If there is gradual improvement each week as there should.  Win 

if we continue with penalties, 3rd down. 3rd qtr. red zone issues it will get dicey 

This is a terrible take. Florida is not a cupcake and will not be considered a cupcake and winning in The Swamp will be a tall order irrespective of what condition the UF program is in at that time. Good lord, man. 

Edited by closetojumping
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Posted

CJ Vogel 

Posted 22 minutes ago

Show Me Improvement vs. UTEP

Saturday will be the third time this year we get to see Arch Manning lead the Texas Longhorns onto the field in the 2025 season.

Through the first two games, I think it is fair to say there remains plenty of room for the Texas offense to grow into its final version of itself. Of course, that is the biggest objective of the next two weekends – improve step by step.

Texas has time to mature into the offensive unit I believe can compete for a National Championship, but it must take advantage of every opportunity on the field ahead of the big dogs on the schedule and this weekend is no exception.

So, a few areas I would love to see Arch Manning and the Texas offense improve upon in week three against UTEP.

***

***These are Texas' ranks out of the 136 FBS teams***

3rd Downs

Texas ranks 121st in 3rd down conversions ... 7/26 (26.92%)

A 2-12 performance against San Jose State was certainly underwhelming, but beyond that, it was the performance on 1st and 2nd down that prevented the Longhorns from extending drives or moving the chains. The average distance needed on 3rd downs sat at 9.7 yards. That is losing football.

A statistic worth sharing from our Rod Babers.

***

Drives That Reach the Opposing 20-Yard Line

I really value the 'per drive' statistics when evaluating the performance of an offense, and while only two weeks of play is a tough sample size for firm assertions, there is always value in numbers whether they lean one way or the other.

This statistic is essentially a red zone statistic with a fancy name.

Offensive drive success rate per bcftoys.com
(Percentage of non-garbage time, regulation offensive drives that end with touchdown or field goal attempt)

Texas (66.7%) ranks 119th in the country in success rates for offensive possessions when reaching the opponent's red area.

***

Play Action vs. Straight Drop Backs for Arch Manning

I thought week two was a step in the right direction for Arch Manning and the Texas offense. Short fields or not, just seeing the ball cross the goal line should go a long way for the confidence of this unit. Now, it is about stacking those high-scoring weekends consecutively for that confidence to evolve into an identity offensively.

Of all of the snaps we have seen from Arch Manning in 2025, perhaps no other statistic stands out to me as much as this one.

The difference in play action pass attempts vs. straight drop backs. And forgive me, I am going the PFF route on this one. 

Arch Manning passing grade on PA passes: 38.9 ... ranking 135th out of 141 qualifying QBs

Arch Manning passing grade on straight drop back attempts: 93.4 ... ranking 2nd out of 141 qualifying QBs

This goes back to my point about trusting the Texas offensive line when his back is turned to create the play action fake. There is something with Arch that has yet to click in the play action passing game when he turns back to survey the defense, he is often quick to check down before routes develop or come open as designed vertically down the field.

Perhaps it is a speed of the game thing. The idea is the more these plays are repped, the more improvement we will see. So for this weekend, circle those longer developing play action pass attempts for Arch.

***

Explosive Plays in General

Facing Ohio State as early in the season as Texas did probably doesn't help this statistic, but it is worth mentioning where Texas stands currently in the explosive run game category.

8 Runs of 10+ yards ... ranks 84th

1 Run of 20+ yards ... ranks t-99th

The longest rush of the season is 20 yards, coming from Arch on his QB scramble for a touchdown in week two. Only one Texas rush attempt from a running back eclipsed 15 yards.

On the flip side, the Texas passing game is more home runs than singles, which is exactly what I anticipated in early August.

15 Pass Plays of 10+ yards ... ranks 83rd

8 Pass Plays of 20+ yards ...  ranks 32nd

6 Pass Plays of 30+ yards ...  ranks 6th

****

Screen Plays

It will always have a role in the Steve Sarkisian offense, but there is an element missing in 2025.

Texas does not have the body type, nor the willingness through two weeks to have success in the lead blocking aspect of the quick screen game on the perimeter.

Perhaps that changes with the eventual addition of Emmett Mosley V to the lineup, but it certainly has been underwhelming in my opinion.

Arch is 12-12 passing on screen plays

Those 12 completions have gone for 42 total yards

3.5 yards per attempt

That's not good enough in the quick game, or with the involvement of the offensive line. Must improve if it going to continue being holding a 15%-20% play call share in Sarkisian's offense.


 

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Mistakes lead to experience and experience often leads to wisdom over time. Reps as a group, with most of the group being young and inexperienced, should be expected to be choppy and inconsistent at the beginning of the learning curve. This was not considered as a collective across the span of CFB (media, fans, etc.) for the Texas offense. It probably should have been. Many people on this thread and across this site still aren't in a spot where they're viewing anything through that lens. 

I'll be surprised if we don't see progress against UTEP, but I'm guessing it will still be frustrating. Should look better again against SHSU. "But it's SHSU!! They should look good!!" No shit. Then, Florida will be an actual exam for what the team has learned and if they're ready on offense to be a part of a title contender, or not.

No. This post reminds me of when someone smells or tastes something, declares it terrible, and then asks you to try it as well. Why the fuck wouldn't I just take your word for it? 

This is a terrible take. Florida is not a cupcake and will be considered a cupcake and winning in The Swamp will be a tall order irrespective of what condition the UF program is in at that time. Good lord, man. 

I didn’t say they were. I’m saying the board consensus after what they rolled out last week changed.  Hence why I said depending on your take    Yours obviously isn’t that. Other seem to think so    I’ll take the next 2 sub tier teams and a bye week as much needed to iron out the issues 

Edited by Sgt Hulk
Posted

CJ Vogel 

Posted 18 minutes ago

If anyone was wondering where Texas ranked on the penalty front –

• 128th in penalty yards per game (82.5)

• t120th in total penalties called against (18)

• 123rd in penalties per game (9.0)

 

Texas opponents have averaged just 15.0 yards per game in penalty yards, which puts them at 132nd in the country in opponents penalty yards

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

I think most have accepted that the next 3-4 weeks depending on your take of cupcake status regarding Florida that it will make or break how far this team goes this season.  If Florida is the Florida they rolled out against USF and they have a murder schedule coming up. We have 3 more tune ups before OU.  If there is gradual improvement each week as there should.  Win 

if we continue with penalties, 3rd down. 3rd qtr. red zone issues it will get dicey 

I am a bit conflicted on 3rd downs. Its been bad. To be honest Texas has not been great on 3rd downs recently (42nd nationally in 2024, 70th in 2023, and 73rd 2022). The average 3rd down this year is 3rd and 7.43 yards. 1/2 have been 8 or longer. 35% have been 10 yards or more. Best way to convert 3rd downs is to have successful 1st and 2nd down. 3rd and 5 or less, Texas is converting at 50% (not great but not panic worthy). 1 for 13 on 3rd and 8 or longer, which is obviously not good but with new OL and QB not shocking. #1 thing the offense needs to do is find ways to stay on schedule. Too many negative plays going on to be an efficient offense (penalties or tackles for losses).

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I am a bit conflicted on 3rd downs. Its been bad. To be honest Texas has not been great on 3rd downs recently (42nd nationally in 2024, 70th in 2023, and 73rd 2022). The average 3rd down this year is 3rd and 7.43 yards. 1/2 have been 8 or longer. 35% have been 10 yards or more. Best way to convert 3rd downs is to have successful 1st and 2nd down. 3rd and 5 or less, Texas is converting at 50% (not great but not panic worthy). 1 for 13 on 3rd and 8 or longer, which is obviously not good but with new OL and QB not shocking. #1 thing the offense needs to do is find ways to stay on schedule. Too many negative plays going on to be an efficient offense (penalties or tackles for losses).

If past performance is indicative of future performance then I think it’s reasonable to believe that we will be slight above average on 3rd down at best 

Posted

Alex Dunlap's OL grades for SJSU (long post, great info)

Spoiler

Skill Player Snap Counts and Game-by-Game Percentages of Offensive Snaps (Through Week 2)
Deep-Dig-2025-Skill-Player-Participation-1.jpg


***please note that exact snap-count numbers may differ from other sources at times, as the Deep Dig does not count plays as offensive player snaps that are blown dead due to penalty, punts, extra points, field goals, spiked balls, victory formations, kneel-downs, etc.***

Personnel-Grouping Frequency Overall and by Game (Through Week 2)
Deep-Dig-2025-Personnel-Utilization-by-Game-1.jpg


Tight End Total Snap Counts and Alignment Data (Through Week 2)
Deep-Dig-2025-TE-Usage-Chart-1.jpg



Team Target Share By Week (Through Week 2)
Deep-Dig-2025-Target-Share-By-Game-1.jpg



Deep Dig OL Grading Scale (each snap by each player is graded as its own independent event)
Deep-Dig-2021-OL-GRADING-SCALE.jpg
OL Grades (SJSU)

LT Trevor Goosby - 53 snaps
1 holding penalty
DEEP DIG GRADE: 81.67

LG Connor Stroh - 30 snaps (29 LG, 1 RG)
2 TFLs, 1 run-stuff, 1 pressure, 1 QB hit allowed
DEEP DIG GRADE: 73.74

LG Neto Umeozulu - 34 snaps
No disruption allowed
1 pin
DEEP DIG GRADE: 79.41

C Cole Hutson - 53 snaps
2 TFLs, 1 pressure allowed
1 chop-block penalty
DEEP DIG GRADE: 76.26

RG DJ Campbell - 52 snaps
1 holding penalty
1 knockdown
DEEP DIG GRADE: 79.62

RT Brandon Baker - 63 snaps
1 QB hit allowed
1 chop-block penalty
1 knockdown
DEEP DIG GRADE: 79.13

Reserves

LT Jaydon Chatman - 10 snaps
DEEP DIG GRADE: N/A

C Conner Robertson - 10 snaps
1 knockdown
DEEP DIG GRADE: N/A

RG Nate Kibble - 10 snaps
DEEP DIG GRADE: N/A


OL Grades by Week
Deep-Dig-2025-OL-Grades-by-Week-1.jpg


OL Snaps-per-Disruption Allowed (Through Week 2)
Deep-Dig-2025-OL-Snaps-Per-Disruption-1.jpg


OL Snaps-per-Disruption by Week (Cumulative, Post-Week)
Deep-Dig-2025-S_DIS-OL-BY-WEEK.jpg


2025 OL Snaps-per-Disruption Allowed Versus Historical Precedent (Through Week 2)
Deep-Dig-2025-OL-Historical-Comparison-1.jpg


2025 OL Inclusions to Historical 80-Plus Point Game List
Deep-Dig-2025-OL-GRADES_WEEK-80-Context.jpg



QUICK FINAL THOUGHTS


Connor Stroh and Cole Hutson started out this game with a bad-old-fashioned, throw-your-remote-control-at-the-TV flop of an effort where everything terrible about Stroh's fundamentals was on display, reminiscent of Texas football's offensive line play under Matt Mattox rather than Kyle Flood.

Through the first 7 total offensive snaps, Stroh allowed a TFL (along with Hutson), as well as a QB hit and a separate QB pressure. The TFL came via Stroh's continuing Achilles heel which is getting his weight out over the balls of his feet and getting overextended, allowing defenders to easily shed him by allowing him to go to the ground on his own. The hit came on a play where he opened up the gate to the inside half of his body after passing off his man in the face of a stunt, and the pressure came from getting his feet tangled up in his pass set and going to the ground. All different types of fundamental issues without a common, easily fixable thread to link them, which is concerning.

Stroh played 30 snaps with Arch Manning in the game while Umeozulu played 24. Umeozulu stayed in the game to play with the backups, both points indicating he's still second in the pecking order for now. The question is, will that change and could it be changing soon?

If we're being totally honest, we were a little bit surprised with Neto Umeozulu's high grade in this one. It wasn't like he looked All-World against SJSU and 10 of his snaps came in the waning moments of the game when Texas was able to lean on the Spartans to run out the clock, a type of game situation that Neto's natural style is best showcased in. However, we can't deny that over his small sample thus far in 2025, Neto hasn't been allowing disruption. Furthermore, he simply doesn't lose his feet as often as Stroh and wind up on the ground. A few times here and there is one thing; but watch Stroh closely and you will see that this balance issue really does plague him. The fact that he's actually playing ahead of Umeozulu at this point might, weirdly, be the biggest indictment on Umeozulu.

To the naked eye, it didn't appear that Brandon Baker had a really good game, but in doing the Deep Dig and grading back each snap, he really did play well overall and is improving -- both in pass protection and in the run game; he sparked two of the game's biggest runs on the wingback trap/counter play that they have been dialing up recently where both the right guard and the right tackle pull and then work the C-gap inside out with a kick-and-fold combination of blocks.

Even on the season, if not for penalties alone, Baker would be sitting at 26 snap per disruption allowed, a perfectly fine number and a number that 4 of 5 "starters" on the current line (including Baker himself) would gladly trade places with.

With Goosby maintaining true stud status, DJ Campbell playing well, and Brandon Baker improving, things could be pointing up for the Texas offensive line. But with the shaky play so far at center and the continuing platoon at LG, that part of the line is the one that needs the most focus in getting correct prior to SEC play. And one thing that we know is that Hutson is not going to get replaced. Kyle Flood knows more in his pinky about this offensive line than the rest of us combined, and it's his livelihood and reputation that he's putting out there every week with his personnel decisions. Based on our findings after two games, though, it only seems reasonable at this point to at least see what happens with Neto Umeozulu as a starter.

 

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I am a bit conflicted on 3rd downs. It’s been bad. To be honest Texas has not been great on 3rd downs recently (42nd nationally in 2024, 70th in 2023, and 73rd 2022). The average 3rd down this year is 3rd and 7.43 yards. 1/2 have been 8 or longer. 35% have been 10 yards or more. Best way to convert 3rd downs is to have successful 1st and 2nd down. 3rd and 5 or less, Texas is converting at 50% (not great but not panic worthy). 1 for 13 on 3rd and 8 or longer, which is obviously not good but with new OL and QB not shocking. #1 thing the offense needs to do is find ways to stay on schedule. Too many negative plays going on to be an efficient offense (penalties or tackles for losses).

You hit the nail on the head. We don’t get many 3rd anns short  opportunities after so many negative run or false start penalties on many drives.  The line hasn’t shown great push to convert third and short so it’s hard to focus on one thing to fix when we have 3-4 contributing factors 

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Posted
36 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Not only would it be impossible, given his rep count, but I'd be against it. He irritates me regularly, but I think he's a good poster.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Codaxx said:

Texas is 7-26 on 3rd downs. This is a bit intentionally misleading. He throws in the 4 yards to make it look worse. There is not a lot of 3rd and medium (only 3 attempts between 4 and 7 yards)

1-3 yards: 10 attempts, 6 conversions 

4-7 yards: 3 attempts, 0 conversions 

8+ yards: 13 attempts, 1 conversion

 

Average distance on 3rd down attempts of 4 or more yards is 10.56 yards. I am shocked it is a bad number. There is no doubt 3rd down can and should be better. The bigger issue to me is that 50% of the 3rd downs are 8 yards or longer. That speaks more to issues on 1st and 2nd down. 

Number   Yds to go  
1 1    convert
2 1    convert
3 2    convert
4 2    convert
5 3    convert
6 3  
7 3  
8 3    convert
9 3  
10 3  
11 4  
12 5  
13 6  
14 8  
15 8  
16 8  
17 9  
18 10  
19 10  
20 10    convert
21 10  
22 11  
23 12  
24 14  
25 19  
26 25  

 

Seeing this with full context actually makes me feel more despondent about our third down offense than just reading Baber's tweet in a vacuum. So thanks. 

1 hour ago, Newy25 said:

“Trying too hard” and “caring or pressing too much” are usually hollow platitudes used to describe shitty play.  A holding penalty is usually the result of poor fundamentals or execution resulting in a player being out of position. Not because he simply cares too much. 

Tripping and falling down while pulling on a counter at the goal line is just bad footwork and fundamentals. Players just need to practice and be better. 

DJ Campbell is a massive disappointment and I'm starting to wonder if he's too dense to be developed into a draftable guard. 

40 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Not only would it be impossible, given his rep count, but I'd be against it. He irritates me regularly, but I think he's a good poster.

I don't think it's impossible when the user's number of posts is greater than his total rep. And if the difference is more than a hundred or so, then one dedicated asshole could technically do a one-man fatwa. Not that I've ever thought about it. 

Posted
19 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Alex Dunlap's OL grades for SJSU (long post, great info)

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Skill Player Snap Counts and Game-by-Game Percentages of Offensive Snaps (Through Week 2)
Deep-Dig-2025-Skill-Player-Participation-1.jpg


***please note that exact snap-count numbers may differ from other sources at times, as the Deep Dig does not count plays as offensive player snaps that are blown dead due to penalty, punts, extra points, field goals, spiked balls, victory formations, kneel-downs, etc.***

Personnel-Grouping Frequency Overall and by Game (Through Week 2)
Deep-Dig-2025-Personnel-Utilization-by-Game-1.jpg


Tight End Total Snap Counts and Alignment Data (Through Week 2)
Deep-Dig-2025-TE-Usage-Chart-1.jpg



Team Target Share By Week (Through Week 2)
Deep-Dig-2025-Target-Share-By-Game-1.jpg



Deep Dig OL Grading Scale (each snap by each player is graded as its own independent event)
Deep-Dig-2021-OL-GRADING-SCALE.jpg
OL Grades (SJSU)

LT Trevor Goosby - 53 snaps
1 holding penalty
DEEP DIG GRADE: 81.67

LG Connor Stroh - 30 snaps (29 LG, 1 RG)
2 TFLs, 1 run-stuff, 1 pressure, 1 QB hit allowed
DEEP DIG GRADE: 73.74

LG Neto Umeozulu - 34 snaps
No disruption allowed
1 pin
DEEP DIG GRADE: 79.41

C Cole Hutson - 53 snaps
2 TFLs, 1 pressure allowed
1 chop-block penalty
DEEP DIG GRADE: 76.26

RG DJ Campbell - 52 snaps
1 holding penalty
1 knockdown
DEEP DIG GRADE: 79.62

RT Brandon Baker - 63 snaps
1 QB hit allowed
1 chop-block penalty
1 knockdown
DEEP DIG GRADE: 79.13

Reserves

LT Jaydon Chatman - 10 snaps
DEEP DIG GRADE: N/A

C Conner Robertson - 10 snaps
1 knockdown
DEEP DIG GRADE: N/A

RG Nate Kibble - 10 snaps
DEEP DIG GRADE: N/A


OL Grades by Week
Deep-Dig-2025-OL-Grades-by-Week-1.jpg


OL Snaps-per-Disruption Allowed (Through Week 2)
Deep-Dig-2025-OL-Snaps-Per-Disruption-1.jpg


OL Snaps-per-Disruption by Week (Cumulative, Post-Week)
Deep-Dig-2025-S_DIS-OL-BY-WEEK.jpg


2025 OL Snaps-per-Disruption Allowed Versus Historical Precedent (Through Week 2)
Deep-Dig-2025-OL-Historical-Comparison-1.jpg


2025 OL Inclusions to Historical 80-Plus Point Game List
Deep-Dig-2025-OL-GRADES_WEEK-80-Context.jpg



QUICK FINAL THOUGHTS


Connor Stroh and Cole Hutson started out this game with a bad-old-fashioned, throw-your-remote-control-at-the-TV flop of an effort where everything terrible about Stroh's fundamentals was on display, reminiscent of Texas football's offensive line play under Matt Mattox rather than Kyle Flood.

Through the first 7 total offensive snaps, Stroh allowed a TFL (along with Hutson), as well as a QB hit and a separate QB pressure. The TFL came via Stroh's continuing Achilles heel which is getting his weight out over the balls of his feet and getting overextended, allowing defenders to easily shed him by allowing him to go to the ground on his own. The hit came on a play where he opened up the gate to the inside half of his body after passing off his man in the face of a stunt, and the pressure came from getting his feet tangled up in his pass set and going to the ground. All different types of fundamental issues without a common, easily fixable thread to link them, which is concerning.

Stroh played 30 snaps with Arch Manning in the game while Umeozulu played 24. Umeozulu stayed in the game to play with the backups, both points indicating he's still second in the pecking order for now. The question is, will that change and could it be changing soon?

If we're being totally honest, we were a little bit surprised with Neto Umeozulu's high grade in this one. It wasn't like he looked All-World against SJSU and 10 of his snaps came in the waning moments of the game when Texas was able to lean on the Spartans to run out the clock, a type of game situation that Neto's natural style is best showcased in. However, we can't deny that over his small sample thus far in 2025, Neto hasn't been allowing disruption. Furthermore, he simply doesn't lose his feet as often as Stroh and wind up on the ground. A few times here and there is one thing; but watch Stroh closely and you will see that this balance issue really does plague him. The fact that he's actually playing ahead of Umeozulu at this point might, weirdly, be the biggest indictment on Umeozulu.

To the naked eye, it didn't appear that Brandon Baker had a really good game, but in doing the Deep Dig and grading back each snap, he really did play well overall and is improving -- both in pass protection and in the run game; he sparked two of the game's biggest runs on the wingback trap/counter play that they have been dialing up recently where both the right guard and the right tackle pull and then work the C-gap inside out with a kick-and-fold combination of blocks.

Even on the season, if not for penalties alone, Baker would be sitting at 26 snap per disruption allowed, a perfectly fine number and a number that 4 of 5 "starters" on the current line (including Baker himself) would gladly trade places with.

With Goosby maintaining true stud status, DJ Campbell playing well, and Brandon Baker improving, things could be pointing up for the Texas offensive line. But with the shaky play so far at center and the continuing platoon at LG, that part of the line is the one that needs the most focus in getting correct prior to SEC play. And one thing that we know is that Hutson is not going to get replaced. Kyle Flood knows more in his pinky about this offensive line than the rest of us combined, and it's his livelihood and reputation that he's putting out there every week with his personnel decisions. Based on our findings after two games, though, it only seems reasonable at this point to at least see what happens with Neto Umeozulu as a starter.

 

Interesting how often DJ Campbell shows up on the 80+ grade list. Tracks with what we've seen, he can be really great at times. It would just be nice if he could finally put it all together for SEC play, but I'm losing hope . 

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Posted
23 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Seeing this with full context actually makes me feel more despondent about our third down offense than just reading Baber's tweet in a vacuum. So thanks. 

DJ Campbell is a massive disappointment and I'm starting to wonder if he's too dense to be developed into a draftable guard. 

I don't think it's impossible when the user's number of posts is greater than his total rep. And if the difference is more than a hundred or so, then one dedicated asshole could technically do a one-man fatwa. Not that I've ever thought about it. 

The guy's amassed that many posts over a 7.5 year timespan. Who are you, the Andy Dufresne of neg reppers? RIP Sgt Hulk in 2033! 

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Posted
50 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

I'll be surprised if we don't see progress against UTEP, but I'm guessing it will still be frustrating. Should look better again against SHSU. "But it's SHSU!! They should look good!!" No shit. Then, Florida will be an actual exam for what the team has learned and if they're ready on offense to be a part of a title contender, or not.

To this point, I care much more about how we play against SHSU than UTEP. If we can get our starters out in the middle of the third quarter this week, that’s success in my book, even if there’s still some frustrations. Improve on penalties and 3rd down, rotate a ton, and peak next week going into the bye. 

If we look great against UTEP then sloppy against SHSU the bye week is going to be miserable around here. 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Fondren & Main said:

Golden flat out admitted he couldn’t grasp Sark’s offense so he made time to go to “office hours” with Sark to get a better understanding of it.

This is wild. Good opposing DCs have no problem stopping - or at the least slowing down - Sark offenses. 

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

To this point, I care much more about how we play against SHSU than UTEP. If we can get our starters out in the middle of the third quarter this week, that’s success in my book, even if there’s still some frustrations. Improve on penalties and 3rd down, rotate a ton, and peak next week going into the bye. 

If we look great against UTEP then sloppy against SHSU the bye week is going to be miserable around here. 

The *problem* here is that Sam Houston State is bad on another level of bad. When Keeler left abruptly, they were wiped out both with the portal and the recruiting class. This team has a good to great shot of going 0-12. They've already lost to juggernauts WKU, UNLV, and Hawaii. They've still got NMSU, Delaware, FIU, UTEP and MTSU on the schedule, and yeah, 0-12 has a great shot anyway. Grim. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Fondren & Main said:

Golden flat out admitted he couldn’t grasp Sark’s offense so he made time to go to “office hours” with Sark to get a better understanding of it.

I think that had mainly to do with the fact that he had spent 2 years in an air raid offense, which is like a different planet compared to a normal pro-style/NFL-type system.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, The Ace of Aces said:

This is wild. Good opposing DCs have no problem stopping - or at the least slowing down - Sark offenses. 

You guys are talking across one another. "Grasping the offense" for a WR is as much understanding the playcalls and route options as anything. A DC doesn't have to know a fucking thing about offensive nomenclature or route options to craft a strategy that puts an OC's plan at risk.

20 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Could outsource it to India 

It's funny you mention this because I looked into what it would take to outsource crowdsourcing you a few weeks ago. It turns out, India isn't as inexpensive for that kind of work as it once was. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You guys are talking across one another. "Grasping the offense" for a WR is as much understanding the playcalls and route options as anything. A DC doesn't have to know a fucking thing about offensive nomenclature or route options to craft a strategy that puts an OC's plan at risk.

It's funny you mention this because I looked into what it would take to outsource crowdsourcing you a few weeks ago. It turns out, India isn't as inexpensive for that kind of work as it once was. 

It’s never been expensive. If you want to get cheaper look into Venezuela 

Posted
51 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

I think that had mainly to do with the fact that he had spent 2 years in an air raid offense, which is like a different planet compared to a normal pro-style/NFL-type system.

Well, sure, but everyone has created this mythical legend about Matthew Golden.  It took him time to learn the offense and he was a third year player.  I don't think that the receivers are the problem aside from Wingo just bailing on the post route against SJSU.

Posted
2 hours ago, Hookem2147 said:

Alex Dunlap's OL grades for SJSU (long post, great info)

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Skill Player Snap Counts and Game-by-Game Percentages of Offensive Snaps (Through Week 2)
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***please note that exact snap-count numbers may differ from other sources at times, as the Deep Dig does not count plays as offensive player snaps that are blown dead due to penalty, punts, extra points, field goals, spiked balls, victory formations, kneel-downs, etc.***

Personnel-Grouping Frequency Overall and by Game (Through Week 2)
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Tight End Total Snap Counts and Alignment Data (Through Week 2)
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Team Target Share By Week (Through Week 2)
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Deep Dig OL Grading Scale (each snap by each player is graded as its own independent event)
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OL Grades (SJSU)

LT Trevor Goosby - 53 snaps
1 holding penalty
DEEP DIG GRADE: 81.67

LG Connor Stroh - 30 snaps (29 LG, 1 RG)
2 TFLs, 1 run-stuff, 1 pressure, 1 QB hit allowed
DEEP DIG GRADE: 73.74

LG Neto Umeozulu - 34 snaps
No disruption allowed
1 pin
DEEP DIG GRADE: 79.41

C Cole Hutson - 53 snaps
2 TFLs, 1 pressure allowed
1 chop-block penalty
DEEP DIG GRADE: 76.26

RG DJ Campbell - 52 snaps
1 holding penalty
1 knockdown
DEEP DIG GRADE: 79.62

RT Brandon Baker - 63 snaps
1 QB hit allowed
1 chop-block penalty
1 knockdown
DEEP DIG GRADE: 79.13

Reserves

LT Jaydon Chatman - 10 snaps
DEEP DIG GRADE: N/A

C Conner Robertson - 10 snaps
1 knockdown
DEEP DIG GRADE: N/A

RG Nate Kibble - 10 snaps
DEEP DIG GRADE: N/A


OL Grades by Week
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OL Snaps-per-Disruption Allowed (Through Week 2)
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OL Snaps-per-Disruption by Week (Cumulative, Post-Week)
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2025 OL Snaps-per-Disruption Allowed Versus Historical Precedent (Through Week 2)
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2025 OL Inclusions to Historical 80-Plus Point Game List
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QUICK FINAL THOUGHTS


Connor Stroh and Cole Hutson started out this game with a bad-old-fashioned, throw-your-remote-control-at-the-TV flop of an effort where everything terrible about Stroh's fundamentals was on display, reminiscent of Texas football's offensive line play under Matt Mattox rather than Kyle Flood.

Through the first 7 total offensive snaps, Stroh allowed a TFL (along with Hutson), as well as a QB hit and a separate QB pressure. The TFL came via Stroh's continuing Achilles heel which is getting his weight out over the balls of his feet and getting overextended, allowing defenders to easily shed him by allowing him to go to the ground on his own. The hit came on a play where he opened up the gate to the inside half of his body after passing off his man in the face of a stunt, and the pressure came from getting his feet tangled up in his pass set and going to the ground. All different types of fundamental issues without a common, easily fixable thread to link them, which is concerning.

Stroh played 30 snaps with Arch Manning in the game while Umeozulu played 24. Umeozulu stayed in the game to play with the backups, both points indicating he's still second in the pecking order for now. The question is, will that change and could it be changing soon?

If we're being totally honest, we were a little bit surprised with Neto Umeozulu's high grade in this one. It wasn't like he looked All-World against SJSU and 10 of his snaps came in the waning moments of the game when Texas was able to lean on the Spartans to run out the clock, a type of game situation that Neto's natural style is best showcased in. However, we can't deny that over his small sample thus far in 2025, Neto hasn't been allowing disruption. Furthermore, he simply doesn't lose his feet as often as Stroh and wind up on the ground. A few times here and there is one thing; but watch Stroh closely and you will see that this balance issue really does plague him. The fact that he's actually playing ahead of Umeozulu at this point might, weirdly, be the biggest indictment on Umeozulu.

To the naked eye, it didn't appear that Brandon Baker had a really good game, but in doing the Deep Dig and grading back each snap, he really did play well overall and is improving -- both in pass protection and in the run game; he sparked two of the game's biggest runs on the wingback trap/counter play that they have been dialing up recently where both the right guard and the right tackle pull and then work the C-gap inside out with a kick-and-fold combination of blocks.

Even on the season, if not for penalties alone, Baker would be sitting at 26 snap per disruption allowed, a perfectly fine number and a number that 4 of 5 "starters" on the current line (including Baker himself) would gladly trade places with.

With Goosby maintaining true stud status, DJ Campbell playing well, and Brandon Baker improving, things could be pointing up for the Texas offensive line. But with the shaky play so far at center and the continuing platoon at LG, that part of the line is the one that needs the most focus in getting correct prior to SEC play. And one thing that we know is that Hutson is not going to get replaced. Kyle Flood knows more in his pinky about this offensive line than the rest of us combined, and it's his livelihood and reputation that he's putting out there every week with his personnel decisions. Based on our findings after two games, though, it only seems reasonable at this point to at least see what happens with Neto Umeozulu as a starter.

 

We could use a man like Hayden Conner again

Posted
2 minutes ago, Fud said:

This board is a beating right now 

It's gonna get soooooooooooooooooooooooo much better once we finish the patsies

Bye week hell
Then October/November menSECtruation time! 

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