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19 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I have no idea what the first part means if it doesn't mean either (1) expressing empathy but silent as to agreement or (2) accepting their causal analysis.

Neither. It means to sit with them in their feelings, listen, and not argue with them or attempt to explain them away. It’s what separates empathy from sympathy.

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I got the impression that he didn’t read it based on his reaction, which seemed to be more of a reflexive response to a light skin, but if you did in fact read it, @wildcat09, I apologize. 
 

 

This:

What proposal? Why would anybody ever talk to an angry kid that way? It’s pure projection and totally bizarre.

 

 

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Dude.  Most of our current information ecosystem aimed at young white males is "talking to angry kids" in EXACTLY that way.  That's a huge part of the problem.  

 

59 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Yes, I agree with you and I made no such proposal that was something we should do in order to get people back into a voting coalition.

I think we have to meet people where they are to confort them, and we have to accept the truth of their personal experience do them. But that is a far cry from validating their most corrosive and misplaced resentments. 

The upshot of the essay, after all, was that minorities and women didn’t do anything wrong. They just got jobs.

I think we're done here.

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

No, because it was sloppy argumentation. You didn’t read the piece before you reacted, and then compensated by putting thoughts and motivations into the minds of people you don’t know, and then proposed a truly bizarre counterfactual scenario that involved me taking a position I wouldn’t. 
We’ve interacted enough that you know I try to give as good as I get, which is what I did then, too. That’s why i dismissed it that way. 

Even if someone didn't read the article, we can see your angle through your what you've personally written. I am pretty sure that's where @wildcat09 is coming from.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Ignore the reply where I noted that it very much depends on what the firm does/specializes in.  Different practices often have different ethnic mixes of the candidates who are interested in that practice.  Zero racism by the hiring firm necessary, the pool of M&A candidates is gonna be a lot whiter than the pool of family law or even litigation candidates.

Yeah like immigration law. I'm sure @sheeeit can guess what the demographic would be there. 

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I did not ignore this.  The guy who made the post can answer for himself.  But in my close circle of friends and family there is an unusual high percentage of lawyers.  I am not aware of any firm (especially firms that hire 10 or so summer interns each year) that are practice specific.  Virtually all have a variety of practice specialties within the firm.  And the vast amount of law school students do not know what they want to specialize in while in school.  Some obviously do but most do not.  

And I’ve practiced for three decades and know plenty of firms that hire good numbers of associates (including mine) that do not have a broad-spectrum practice. For example, we have several practice groups/disciplines, but all in the same “space.” That space tends to draw more women, decent numbers of minorities, and in several practice groups, people with a technical background.
I know other firms where the practice is more “corporate” in nature. The poop of candidates interested in that is whiter and more male.
None of these are “exclusive” to one demographic or another, but the practice and firm type often skew things.
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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


I know other firms where the practice is more “corporate” in nature. The poop of candidates interested in that is whiter and more male.
 

What kind of fucking background screening are you perverts running over there? 

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Posted
48 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Even if someone didn't read the article, we can see your angle through your what you've personally written. I am pretty sure that's where @wildcat09 is coming from.

I have no idea what this means. What’s my angle?

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I have no idea what this means. What’s my angle?

Look man, I haven't commented on this subject much because I like to let the whites argue amongst themselves on topics like this. It's pretty obvious that the whole reason you brought this forth is because this resonated with you. Your whole viewpoint started based on feelings and not facts, and feelings is almost always a terrible way to form an opinion. The reason Millennials are getting squeezed out is far more complex. Most of it is because the olds aren't leaving. The workforce is getting older so not as many spots. Another is white male university enrollment has been steadily declining for years. I can go on but you get the picture. Bottom line is statistical analysis of demographics in the workplace across different genres doesn't support your worldview. The numbers have changed a little but far exceed the representation in population. 

 

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Posted (edited)
37 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

It's pretty obvious that the whole reason you brought this forth is because this resonated with you.

I should hope so. I repeatedly said it did.

37 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Your whole viewpoint started based on feelings and not facts, and feelings is almost always a terrible way to form an opinion. 

My viewpoint “started” because what the author of the essay described aligns with my (and others who also posted) first hand experience as an older person watching/involved in the hiring/promotion/layoff process while we tried to correct historical underrepresentation of women and minorities. I questioned how much we accomplished at the time because it seemed like the people benefitting were already mostly products of extraordinary privilege and it had zero impact on the power structures involved, but I really hadn’t thought about the cost or negative impact in generational terms. 

37 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

The reason Millennials are getting squeezed out is far more complex. Most of it is because the olds aren't leaving. The workforce is getting older so not as many spots. Another is white male university enrollment has been steadily declining for years

Indeed, so I’m not sure what it has to do with what I posted. It would be asinine to suggest that diversity efforts are the primary reason millennials or even millennial males struggle, and it would also be inconsistent with hundreds or perhaps thousands of observations on the labor economy I’ve posted here and in previous incarnations of this community over the last 20+ years.

37 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Bottom line is statistical analysis of demographics in the workplace across different genres doesn't support your worldview. 

I’m not sure what you think my worldview is. That’s why I asked about my angle. 

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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


And I’ve practiced for three decades and know plenty of firms that hire good numbers of associates (including mine) that do not have a broad-spectrum practice. For example, we have several practice groups/disciplines, but all in the same “space.” That space tends to draw more women, decent numbers of minorities, and in several practice groups, people with a technical background.
I know other firms where the practice is more “corporate” in nature. The poop of candidates interested in that is whiter and more male.
None of these are “exclusive” to one demographic or another, but the practice and firm type often skew things.

I am sure this is true.  Not sure of the point though?  Hard to think of or even imagine a law firm in Texas that has a specialized practice that overwhelmingly only appeals to white women and white men.  Couple that with Wildcat apparently being a lawyer there and it is almost impossible to invision.

You are trying to suggest there is a scenario where a guy like Wildcat (we all obviously know his thoughts on just about everything) is working at a firm that specializes in practice areas  that overwhelmingly only attract white women and white men?  With Wildcat's views?  Unpossible.

If he doesn't want to defend his statements, I suppose I do not really care.  But I will say he is the picture of hypocrisy because he calls out everyone he disagrees with and expects everyone else on here to defend their statements. 

Wildcat has ripped white, straight, conservative males thousands of times on here.  Thousands.  Yet he apparently works for a law firm that overwhelmingly only takes white men and white women as clerks.  He so wanted to get a story in the thread where he could rip some straight/white/conservative law clerks he exposed himself.  Or maybe he just made it all up?  I have tried to think of every scenario that could give him the benefit of the doubt but I can not come up with any.  He either works for a racist law firm or he is a blatant liar.

Posted
15 hours ago, TexasEd said:

r/LateStageCapitalism - I fixed that famous cartoon to show a more accurate representation of wealth inequality

This right here is something every single person should look at that blames minorities for their economic life being in shambles. It would take a massive societal upheaval to get equality for everyone in how we all live, but this is where you start. That we have people hoarding unconscionable amounts money that should be in circulation for everyone just really strikes a nerve with me. Even right now trying to type out my thoughts on that picture really overwhelms me.

I don’t know who the person or group will be that finally breaks this down and takes back the money that all Americans should have access to in the form of better pay or even programs to help people attain a better education, but I’ll support them. The amount of good paying jobs that could be created for people with that hoarded money would go a long way towards our society finding some middle ground. It’s all so pointless and ridiculous that we’re going into the year 2026 and we’ve still got a set of ghouls like the person in the center of the picture doing that to everyone. 

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5 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

This right here is something every single person should look at that blames minorities for their economic life being in shambles. It would take a massive societal upheaval to get equality for everyone in how we all live, but this is where you start. That we have people hoarding unconscionable amounts money that should be in circulation for everyone just really strikes a nerve with me. Even right now trying to type out my thoughts on that picture really overwhelms me.

I don’t know who the person or group will be that finally breaks this down and takes back the money that all Americans should have access to in the form of better pay or even programs to help people attain a better education, but I’ll support them. The amount of good paying jobs that could be created for people with that hoarded money would go a long way towards our society finding some middle ground. It’s all so pointless and ridiculous that we’re going into the year 2026 and we’ve still got a set of ghouls like the person in the center of the picture doing that to everyone. 

Totally agree, and it illustrates how intellectually captive we’ve become. Fixing this is a handful of pretty straightforward changes to the tax code. But in order to do that, you need a major political movement to capture a political party and put the economic solidarity of the middle 60% of net worth ahead of literally everything else. 

I don’t mean it has to exclude everything else. The opposite- it can’t exclude anyone as long as they are willing to put economic solidarity first. 

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5 hours ago, UpperWestside said:

It would take a massive societal upheaval to get equality for everyone in how we all live, but this is where you start. That we have people hoarding unconscionable amounts money that should be in circulation for everyone just really strikes a nerve with me. Even right now trying to type out my thoughts on that picture really overwhelms me.

 

11 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Totally agree, and it illustrates how intellectually captive we’ve become. Fixing this is a handful of pretty straightforward changes to the tax code. But in order to do that, you need a major political movement to capture a political party and put the economic solidarity of the middle 60% of net worth ahead of literally everything else. 

I don’t mean it has to exclude everything else. The opposite- it can’t exclude anyone as long as they are willing to put economic solidarity first. 

NOW we are getting to some interesting cocktail party conversation (and I still gag everytime this thread is bumped and I see the title "Lost Generation" and it not being a Hemingway or Post-WWII expat literary community reference).

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4 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I still gag everytime this thread is bumped and I see the title "Lost Generation"

Yeah I was like “don’t give up on the ticket scalping.” 

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Yeah...the answer is in the fucking tax code.  LOLz.

Every.fucking.time.

The fact that y'all think the answer is there is a huge part of the problem.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Yeah...the answer is in the fucking tax code.  LOLz.

Every.fucking.time.

The fact that y'all think the answer is there is a huge part of the problem.

Maybe sit this one out.

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Posted
34 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Yeah...the answer is in the fucking tax code.  LOLz.

Every.fucking.time.

The fact that y'all think the answer is there is a huge part of the problem.

This isn't going to be one of those "just pull yourself up by your bootstraps, and you too can be a billionaire helping to increase the skyrocketing wealth inequality" things, right?

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4 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

This isn't going to be one of those "just pull yourself up by your bootstraps, and you too can be a billionaire helping to increase the skyrocketing wealth inequality" things, right?

nah, it's more of a "stop worrying about kids' feelings and provide proper direction as parents.  Reward desired behavior and be deliberate as stewards of our youth.  Confidence comes from achievement, not the lack of red ink on a test or lack of a trophy for a non-winning effort" thing.

Then again, and I have admitted this many times; there's not a lot of political capital in my answers; but they are effective AF.

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32 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

So the answer to combat unsustainable wealth inequality is to stop handing out participation trophies. Got it. Good stuff.

Taxation of the middle class, as it stands today, is thinly veiled theft. Leave the 98% alone.

Tax the billionaires. Full stop.

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10 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I should hope so. I repeatedly said it did.

My viewpoint “started” because what the author of the essay described aligns with my (and others who also posted) first hand experience as an older person watching/involved in the hiring/promotion/layoff process while we tried to correct historical underrepresentation of women and minorities. I questioned how much we accomplished at the time because it seemed like the people benefitting were already mostly products of extraordinary privilege and it had zero impact on the power structures involved, but I really hadn’t thought about the cost or negative impact in generational terms. 

Indeed, so I’m not sure what it has to do with what I posted. It would be asinine to suggest that diversity efforts are the primary reason millennials or even millennial males struggle, and it would also be inconsistent with hundreds or perhaps thousands of observations on the labor economy I’ve posted here and in previous incarnations of this community over the last 20+ years.

I’m not sure what you think my worldview is. That’s why I asked about my angle. 

Shortly after posting the OP you then posted this. 

On 12/19/2025 at 5:43 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

Ok, but taken at face value what do you think? 
Look there is a lot about this essay I find very silly. But the reason why it resonated with me was because it aligns with my first hand experience and direct visibility to what was happening, which is what 956 saw as well and describes above. 

If I was a millennial male who was denied opportunities exclusively on the basis of my race and/or gender I would be pretty bitter and pretty cynical also, and I have to think it drove a few people straight into the arms of the American right wing or whoever wanted to pursue that grievance. 

This where you were trying to drive the conversation and we could all see it coming. Based on your experience, which is statistically incorrect across the entirety of the workforce. You suggested that white Millennial males are being pushed toward MAGA because minority groups are getting jobs, despite multiple people on this thread trying to steer you away from that. 

You go on to say this......

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White men, out of the box, have one really big advantage: if they interact with police they almost certainly won’t die. That’s a very big deal and I don’t want to minimize it. 
But otherwise, the vast majority of white men under 45 are just as fucked as everyone else and the vast majority of them will struggle all their lives and not amount to shit. 

and this........

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For somebody under 45? Nah. If you take away the ~5% with money and family connections and they are just as fucked as everyone else.  
It’s nice not to get shot, tho. That’s not nothing. 

and this.....

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I think that is the intention. That’s one of the reasons it disturbs me. The other reason, which is far more troubling, is the truth it contains, because real grievance is much more powerful in politics than the confected variety. 
 

Look at this thread. Multiple people are copping to the fact that yeah, millennial men probably were discriminated against en masse in certain fields for about a decade exclusively based on their race and gender, but most are kind of brushing them off as  “mediocre white men.”


But since the vast majority of all people in the workforce and population are pretty mediocre, what y’all are really saying is that it’s fine for an individual to have their opportunities limited because of their race and gender if it squares up the  ledgers of representation grievances. That’s a real political problem for progressives, among other things

and then lastly this......

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No offense to anybody but this thread is pretty much what I expected and it’s disheartening.
This board is a pretty representative sample of mainstream progressive discourse, and this essay has proven to be a really interesting Rorschach test. My hope was that some class consciousness had crept back into this part of the left as we head into the next cycle, but the reaction here and other mainstream-left spaces to this demonstrates to me that class consciousness is still mainly symbolic if it exists at all, and nominal racial representation still trumps everything. Older affluent progressives (ie Mainstream white democrats) are still struggling to find empathy with voters they need to win. It’s troubling.

 

This pretty much paints your worldview that progressives pushing diversity in the workplace are responsible for the current political climate, and we need to slide backwards in order to "win back" the white male vote. 

As a member of a minority group, I would politely like to tell you to fuck all the way off with that bullshit. We've put nothing but centrist in the white house for decades and the right is still unhappy. They won't be happy until they claw back ALL the rights of everyone who is NOT a white male. That's a no go in my household my guy. White men already control almost everything, and when those white men die off a new crop of them will replace them. It just so happens that these current white men won't let go of the fucking rope. Quit blaming minorities and diversity. Look around you. The fucking president is 79 years old. The previous guy was 80 years old. Jerry Jones is 8 fucking 3. Buffet, Penske, Rady, Miller, Cole, Greenberg, etc etc. My fucking next door neighbor is in his 70's, has a brand new black on black suburban, bought his wife a new 5 series BMW, AND has a 911 tucked away in his garage. This motherfucker is still out there working and trying to live like he is 30. All across the country old ass white motherfuckers are holding onto their positions instead being put to pasture. Behind them is us. Waiting for them to die the fuck off so we can finally ascend. It's a log jam, and has very little to do with fucking minorities. Geezus fucking kr-I-st, let's placate more to the demographic that has everything. That will solve the problem. Let's get back to the days of minorities only being housekeepers and racial fucking covenants. Fuck yeah!

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Posted
48 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

So the answer to combat unsustainable wealth inequality is to stop handing out participation trophies. Got it. Good stuff.

There’s something so funny about the apotheosis of American conservatism being the ultimate participation trophy guy. 



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