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10 hours ago, linux said:

Trump wants his dog and pony show, this is all for him to look tough and macho, he will probably take photops on a carrier sitting in the cockpit of an F-18 next.

He'll get stuck and they'll have to get the golden jaws of life to extract him.

Or they'll just let him sit in this.

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On 1/4/2026 at 6:46 PM, tx ind said:

Did Putin put dotard up to the saber rattling about Greenland so NATO/Europe would be looking West instead of East at him?

Yes. Russian intelligence forged a letter from Greenland that was given to Tom Cotton who passed it along to Trump. Because conservative men tend to be gullible morons,* they believed it.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-us-greenland-annex-invasion-letter-cotton-2013864

On 1/4/2026 at 7:40 PM, atomheartbevo said:

The amount of groveling the next administration is going to have to do is going to be so fucking embarrassing.

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What next administration? The criminals in charge are acting like there will not be a "next administration" and it's high time we start listening to and believing that

FTR- the Danish claim on Greenland is exceptionally and profoundly weak, not to mention mostly unwanted at this point by either side. In a more sane timeline a negotiated annexation of Greenland as a US Territory following a referendum of Greenland’s citizen would make sense.

But this is not that. This is a clown show, and is fundamentally about the US breaking ties with NATO and retreating from the Eastern Hemisphere while ostensibly reasserting dominance over the West as an attenuated hemispheric hegemon.

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29 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

FTR- the Danish claim on Greenland is exceptionally and profoundly weak, not to mention mostly unwanted at this point by either side. In a more sane timeline a negotiated annexation of Greenland as a US Territory following a referendum of Greenland’s citizen would make sense.

But this is not that. This is a clown show, and is fundamentally about the US breaking ties with NATO and retreating from the Eastern Hemisphere while ostensibly reasserting dominance over the West as an attenuated hemispheric hegemon.

From all indications, Greenlanders are happy with their semi-autonomous status with Denmark. Now perhaps if there were serious negotiations, which would never happen with Trump, they could require entry as a state and bypass the territory status. This would give them 2 senators and 1 rep for <60 K residents. If I were them, I wouldn’t want to be a lowly territory without power.

There’s also a question of who actually owns most of Greenland. Does the Denmark or Greenland govt claim ownership? The Danish monarchy? do private individuals own it?

For all practical purposes, we own Greenland as a strategic necessity. There are more American military already on the island than citizens. [I was ridiculously wrong on that statement. I thought I'd heard from some reliable source. @bolverk corrected me below. We only have the one base. Apologies.] I do believe Denmark has offered to allow further US military development as an appeasement.

I googled to see if they resist American bases there:

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It's the below ground minerals and rare earths that Trump wants. Having those would be good for America, but, Trump's way, it becomes another cash cow for the oligarchs and corporations.

We can have our way there through normal means. Contract with Greenland/Denmark for mineral rights which, gasp, means they would actually get something out of it.

The Americans want it fucking all.

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10 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

From all indications, Greenlanders are happy with their semi-autonomous status with Denmark.

“Semi-autonomous” doing some heavy lifting there. I would summarize 20 years of polling as very much wanting political independence but also wanting to keep foreign financial and development subsidies. Which they would get and more of them with the US in a sane world we don’t live in, which is why 85% oppose annnexation by the US- it’s Trump they don’t want. The rest is negotiable.

19 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I just walked back from lunch, part of the way behind a mentally ill homeless dude ranting about NCIS storylines involving the character Abby.

I am 100% convinced that dude would be a less erratic, more calming presence in the White House than TFG.

Probably smell better, too.

15 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

If we wanted to have a serious discussion, I could see some real benefit to extending American sovereignty over Greenland both from an economic and a national-security perspective. But the way you go about it is by making a cautious diplomatic approach focused on a purchase price and guarantees that the rights of the inhabitants will be respected. Running around threatening an invasion is just a shortcut to getting us kicked out of Thule AFB.

Part of my comment to this is in the prior post. Trying to kick America out by threatening (even by protest) to take over an American base plays right into Trump's hand. He'd describe it as another Portland only worse! We gotta send the Army!

7 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Portland only worse! We gotta send the Army!

ARCTIFA

20 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Probably smell better, too.

Part of my comment to this is in the prior post. Trying to kick America out by threatening (even by protest) to take over an American base plays right into Trump's hand. He'd describe it as another Portland only worse! We gotta send the Army!

I agree. This is why Greenland and Denmark's best move is to ignore the threats or proclamations especially by a Hitler wannabe like Miller.

24 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

There are more American military already on the island than citizens.

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3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I agree. This is why Greenland and Denmark's best move is to ignore the threats or proclamations especially by a Hitler wannabe like Miller.

And in the end, other than the fact that Denmark needed to say SOMETHING after the latest round of literally fucking insane megalomaniac shit from the admin....this is the play.

I can't tell you how many times I've advised a client "I know they're fucking assholes, they're wrong, they're pissing you off, etc.....but trust me, just ignore them, and they'll go lose interest, and you'll end up in a better position or at least no worse." It is infuriating, but it works.

25 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And in the end, other than the fact that Denmark needed to say SOMETHING after the latest round of literally fucking insane megalomaniac shit from the admin....this is the play.

I can't tell you how many times I've advised a client "I know they're fucking assholes, they're wrong, they're pissing you off, etc.....but trust me, just ignore them, and they'll go lose interest, and you'll end up in a better position or at least no worse." It is infuriating, but it works.

Brisket telling someone to talk less?

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59 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

“Semi-autonomous” doing some heavy lifting there. I would summarize 20 years of polling as very much wanting political independence but also wanting to keep foreign financial and development subsidies. Which they would get and more of them with the US in a sane world we don’t live in, which is why 85% oppose annnexation by the US- it’s Trump they don’t want. The rest is negotiable.

I mean, one could also argue that each US state is also "semi-autonomous." And yet Greenlanders do get representation in the Danish Parliament, just as states also have representatives in our Congress, which is more than residents of DC and Puerto Rico can say.

And sure, polls from a year ago show a slim majority (56%) wanted independence last January, but I'd be really curious to see what the results would be today, with a looming threat of annexation by the US. But even if they still want independence, you're right to point out that an overwhelming majority DO NOT WANT us to take over.

Other than hashing out the details, there was no reason to oppose a stronger US presence on the island before these threats, but now I kinda doubt we'd be welcome to add new American bases when NATO's Scandinavian members would likely be very willing to do so if it meant preventing Trump from "running" the place.

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On 1/5/2026 at 1:55 PM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Greenland and Denmark are taking the wrong approach. The best way to deal with Trump is to stay out of his limited attention span. If you start telling him what he can and cannot do, you will be in his crosshairs. Staying quiet doesn't mean that the will ignore you but it increases the chances.

and dear god, please don't dance and anger trump !!!!

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On 1/5/2026 at 6:20 AM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Trump only needs to say that we’ve annexed Greenland and the US will claim it’s ours. That doesn’t mean anything has changed. Except Trump will require schools and media to agree that it’s ours.

greenland sea ???

America Sea !!!!!!

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tldr: Denmark does not have the right to sell Greenland -- only a referendum among Greenlanders can decide that. On top of it all, we (the US) already have almost carte blanche to beef up whatever presence we have there anyway, so the only reason we’d want to buy it is to outright own the ice and whatever there is beneath it (more likely, Trump and his cronies would own the mineral rights). That said, Greenland has already said they’re more than happy to do business with us to do a deal and provide access.

So taking it would, in essence, be the theft of a whole fucking country.

Buy Greenland? Take It? Why? An Old Pact Already Gives Trump a Free Hand.
Analysts say the Cold War agreement allows the president to increase the American military presence almost at will.

President Trump has ridiculed Denmark’s dog sled teams in Greenland.

He has cited mysterious Chinese and Russian ships prowling off the coast.

He seems increasingly fixated on the idea that the United States should take over this gigantic icebound island, with one official saying the president wants to buy it and another suggesting that the United States could simply take it. Just a few days ago, Mr. Trump said: “We need Greenland from the standpoint of national security.”

But the question is: Does the United States even need to buy Greenland — or do something more drastic — to accomplish all of Mr. Trump’s goals?

Under a little-known Cold War agreement, the United States already enjoys sweeping military access in Greenland. Right now, the United States has one base in a very remote corner of the island. But the agreement allows it to “construct, install, maintain, and operate” military bases across Greenland, “house personnel” and “control landings, takeoffs, anchorages, moorings, movements, and operation of ships, aircraft, and waterborne craft.”

It was signed in 1951 by the United States and Denmark, which colonized Greenland more than 300 years ago and still controls some of its affairs.

“The U.S. has such a free hand in Greenland that it can pretty much do what it wants,” said Mikkel Runge Olesen, a researcher at the Danish Institute for International Studies in Copenhagen.

“I have a very hard time seeing that the U.S. couldn’t get pretty much everything it wanted,” he said, adding, “if it just asked nicely.”

But buying Greenland — something that Secretary of State Marco Rubio told lawmakers on Tuesday was Mr. Trump’s latest plan — is a different question.

Greenland does not want to be bought by anyone — especially not the United States. And Denmark does not have the authority to sell it, Dr. Olesen said.

“It is impossible,” he said.

In the past, Denmark would have been the decider. In 1946, it refused the Truman administration’s offer of $100 million in gold.

Today, things are different. Greenlanders now have the right to hold a referendum on independence and Danish officials have said it’s up to the island’s 57,000 inhabitants to decide their future. A poll last year found 85 percent of residents opposed the idea of an American takeover.

Greenland’s prime minister, Jens-Frederik Nielsen, has repeatedly scoffed at the idea of being bought, saying this past week, “Our country is not for sale.”

The relatively short, straightforward defense agreement between the United States and Denmark was updated in 2004 to include Greenland’s semiautonomous government, giving it a say in how American military operations might affect the local population. The roots of the agreement go back to a partnership forged during World War II.

At that time, Denmark was occupied by the Nazis. Its ambassador in Washington, cut off from Copenhagen, took it upon himself to strike a defense agreement for Greenland with the United States. (The island is part of North America, along the Arctic Ocean and close to Canada’s coast.)

The fear was that Nazis could use Greenland as a steppingstone to America. The Germans had already established small meteorological bases on the island’s east coast and relayed information for battles in Europe. American troops eventually ousted them and established more than a dozen bases there with thousands of troops, landing strips and other military facilities.

After World War II, the United States continued to run some bases and a string of early warning radar sites. As the Cold War wound down, the United States closed all of them except one. It’s now called the Pittufik Space Base and helps track missiles crossing the North Pole.

The Danes have a light presence, too: a few hundred troops, including special forces that use dog sleds to conduct long-range patrols. In recent months, the Danish government has vowed to upgrade its bases and increase surveillance.

After American special forces captured Nicolás Maduro, the ousted president of Venezuela, from a safehouse last week, Mr. Trump seemed emboldened. Stephen Miller, a top aide, then claimed that Greenland should belong to the United States and that “nobody’s going to fight the United States” over it. Danish and Greenlandic anxiety skyrocketed.

On Tuesday night, Danish and Greenlandic leaders asked to meet with Mr. Rubio, according to Greenland’s foreign minister. It’s not clear if or when that might happen.

Tensions between Mr. Trump and Denmark’s prime minister, Mette Frederiksen, have been steadily rising, as Mr. Trump pushes to “get” Greenland, as he puts it, while Ms. Frederiksen refuses to kowtow to him.

Just a few days ago, Ms. Frederiksen cited the 1951 agreement, saying, “We already have a defense agreement between the Kingdom and the United States today, which gives the United States wide access to Greenland.” She urged the United States “to stop the threats” and said an American attack on Greenland would mean the end of the international world order.

European leaders issued their own statement on Tuesday, also citing the 1951 agreement and saying, “Greenland belongs to its people.”

Analysts said that if the United States tried to use the defense pact as a fig leaf to send in a lot of troops and try to occupy Greenland, that wouldn’t be legal either.

According to the 2004 amendment, the United States is supposed to consult with Denmark and Greenland before it makes “any significant changes” in its military operations on the island. The 2004 amendment, which was signed by Gen. Colin L. Powell, who was then the secretary of state, explicitly recognizes Greenland as “an equal part of the Kingdom of Denmark.”

Peter Ernstved Rasmussen, a Danish defense analyst, said that in practice, if American forces made reasonable requests, “the U.S. would always get a yes.”

“It is a courtesy formula,” he said. “If the U.S. wanted to act without asking, it could simply inform Denmark that it is building a base, an airfield or a port.”

That’s what infuriates longtime Danish political experts. If Mr. Trump wanted to beef up Greenland’s security right now, he could. But there has been no such official American request, said Jens Adser Sorensen, a former senior official in Denmark’s parliament.

“Why don’t you use the mechanism of the defense agreement if you’re so worried about the security situation?” he said, adding, “The framework is there. It’s in place.”

But Greenland’s strategic location is not the only thing that’s attracted Mr. Trump’s inner circle. The enormous island has another draw: critical minerals, loads of them, buried under the ice. Here, too, analysts say, the United States doesn’t need to take over the island to get them.

Greenlanders have said they are open to doing business — with just about anyone.

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Just like the Russian backed social media campaign around Brexit, the goal for Russia is to destabilize the European Union, NATO, and to spread fear. Trump is helping with this either because he is in the know, or he is an idiot (could be both)

30 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Does anyone not think that Russia is funding an information campaign to convince Trump to forcibly take over Greenland? Russia wouldn't even want Greenland or Denmark to agree to it, they want a conflict in NATO.

1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Does anyone not think that Russia is funding an information campaign to convince Trump to forcibly take over Greenland? Russia wouldn't even want Greenland or Denmark to agree to it, they want a conflict in NATO.

add it to the fucking pile

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