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15 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

By far the most annoying and transparent thing the surly Make Israel Great Again crowd does is constantly try to paint everyone who is anti-Zionist as antisemitic. It's annoying because normies won't push back on it because they don't know any better, and transparent because it actually belies their deep-rooted antisemitism that has been grown and tended by shitty Western media outllets for decades which they refuse to recognize.

I think the main problem is there's no real way to be like "fuck em both" which is actually the stance of most people. Most people don't think we should have anything to do with some shit going on "over there" that involves such a small population of people who aren't even American and an even smaller portion of the American population that has ties there. 

It's fucking annoying. It's annoying and stupid that these morons went and did some stupid ass shit on federal property and get attention for it. It's lame and does absolutely nothing. 

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16 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I think that there’s a long history of terror organizations and governments mobilizing all of their assets and infrastructure in the service of attacking others, and then claiming that any potential response to their own aggression is unjustified.

The Houthis unloaded Iranian ballistic missiles and fired them at THE FUCKING U.S. EMBASSY in a country over 1,000 miles away, killing civilians.  In response, Israel bombed the cranes and docks so that there wouldn’t be more Iranian ballistic missiles unloaded there.

You are comparing that to the Tulsa massacre? That’s pure “anti-Zionist” brain rot.  The Houthis are not fighting for civil rights and the cranes and port facilities they use to unload ballistic missiles are not segregated Black neighborhoods. 

You refuse to address my points.

The example of Tulsa was not so much a comparison with Israel's ongoing campaign to seemingly wipe out or drive off the population of Gaza although it's not as far off as you in exaggerated outrage want to assert. I was using the example to address your complacence about the Israeli campaign by stating causes and reasons that no longer support that campaign. 

You're remarkably simplistic in your argument and, now, plain dumb in your fallback position that anyone not buying your bloodthirsty over-simplifications is an anti-zionist with brain rot. It's sort of a cowardly way to avoid really addressing serious points.

Again, you state the obvious in your top two paragraphs as though "that's it. We're done here." 

Of course, I salute your subtle reasoning in putting THE FUCKING U.S. EMBASSY in all caps. I suppose, for you, this would justify the US sending the bombers and the navy to show these MidEast pikers what killing is all about. You could cheer the cruise missiles and Hellfire missile. America! Fuck yeah!

You're knowledgable but you seem to like your world easy with good versus evil explaining everything. I'm not going to "argue" with you anymore unless you present something substantive.

Posted
27 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

there were no boos, no one stopping it.  Only cheers or silent approval. 

Time to round up the silent approvers. We know what they're thinking just like we know what everyone present in the vicinity was thinking. Case closed.

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

I think the main problem is there's no real way to be like "fuck em both" which is actually the stance of most people. Most people don't think we should have anything to do with some shit going on "over there" that involves such a small population of people who aren't even American and an even smaller portion of the American population that has ties there. 

It's fucking annoying. It's annoying and stupid that these morons went and did some stupid ass shit on federal property and get attention for it. It's lame and does absolutely nothing. 

The only reason there's "no way" to do this, is because any sort of anti-Israel/anti-Zionist sentiment simply gets you slapped with the antisemitic label which has literally happened hundreds of times in this thread.

Pro-Zionism is the default position in America, thanks to decades of lobbying and Western media propaganda, so anyone who doesn't know shit about fuck (most Americans) will just automatically assume you're antisemitic if your position is "no, this actually sucks". They also believe (by default) that Israel represents the interests of Jews worldwide, so they constantly conflate Israel with the worldwide Jewish community. We saw this from people like 956 many times when this thread was more active, and he even apologized for doing it multiple times, only to continue towing the same line shortly after. It's just endless brain rot.

My position has been "fuck em both" for years, but there's no way to make Americans recognize that while both "sides" (Israel and Hamas specifically) absolutely suck, one side only exists as it does because the other side has been brutally occupying and terrorizing their territories for years and years, and doing so with our fucking money, I might add.

My position has kind of evolved into this cynical fugue state where I wish we could just shut off the money faucet and let Israel make itself into a pariah state without our sponsorship.

On top of that, there's still the fact that Bibi Netanyahu is a fucking bloodthirsty, fascist piece of shit criminal who needs this war to stay out of prison, is likely to have arrest warrants issued for him soon that will make him unable to travel basically anywhere but America, and for some reason we are still welcoming this cocksucker to come scold the American people in front of Congress. It makes me fucking sick. I can't even begin to describe the hatred I have for that smug piece of shit and I hope I live long enough to go piss on his grave some day.

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18 minutes ago, immamac said:

I think the main problem is there's no real way to be like "fuck em both" which is actually the stance of most people. Most people don't think we should have anything to do with some shit going on "over there" that involves such a small population of people who aren't even American and an even smaller portion of the American population that has ties there. 

Exactly. My preference would be to get the US out of the MidEast. The West needs oil, so we can't just leave our allies at the mercy of Iran and Russia. We sewed our hips to Israel's and have a weird sentimental attachment for their pluckiness early on. They're not the little guy anymore.

The world needs to be quickly weaned from from petroleum for more than just political reasons, but that weaning would do everybody good. Too bad the American Republicans fucked that up and are fucking that up as much as they can.

I would only promise Israel that we will not allow them to be destroyed by a foreign alliance. We'll help them against missile attacks on their homeland and commit resources to keeping enemies from crossing their border. We will not countenance expansion by force or colonization by force (West Bank). Israel doing so would jeopardize if not cancel the promise first stated. Time to stop letting the tail wag the dog.

I'm not anti-Zionist insofar as I'm not sure of the definition. I'm just an American who wants the best policies for this country. Our invasion of Iraq was a disaster. Our occupation of Afghanistan after the justified invasion to attack binLaden was a disaster partially due to the disaster of invading Iraq. (We replaced special forces trained to work with local with regular military units. Dumb.)

Our military presence there is way too big. We need to remedy the oil problem which will relieve that front.

Posted
40 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

On top of that, there's still the fact that Bibi Netanyahu is a fucking bloodthirsty, fascist piece of shit criminal who needs this war to stay out of prison, is likely to have arrest warrants issued for him soon that will make him unable to travel basically anywhere but America, and for some reason we are still welcoming this cocksucker to come scold the American people in front of Congress. It makes me fucking sick. I can't even begin to describe the hatred I have for that smug piece of shit and I hope I live long enough to go piss on his grave some day.

It's quite telling that folks came back to the thread in response to the outrageous behavior of a handful of protesters rather than the outrageous behavior of Netanyhu the protesters are responding to.

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21 minutes ago, bolverk said:

It's quite telling that folks came back to the thread in response to the outrageous behavior of a handful of protesters rather than the outrageous behavior of Netanyhu the protesters are responding to.

Telling? Yes. The least bit surprising, given this thread’s embarrassing history over the past 9 months? No

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Posted
24 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Along with ballistic missiles for Houthis, Iran is also funding protests here in the United States.

 

They've wasted their money, then. As I've repeatedly said, the protests have likely been counterproductive.

Most sane and fair-minded Americans can come to the same conclusion without receiving a dime from Iran by opening their eyes to Netanyahu's absolute overkill. They saw the wanton destruction of Gaza, and the majority came to that conclusion in March before the big campus protests even happened.

Same chart as from my previous post above:

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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

They've wasted their money, then. As I've repeatedly said, the protests have likely been counterproductive.

Most sane and fair-minded Americans can come to the same conclusion without receiving a dime from Iran by opening their eyes to Netanyahu's absolute overkill. They saw the wanton destruction of Gaza, and the majority came to that conclusion in March before the big campus protests even happened.

Same chart as from my previous post above:

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There’s an embedded assumption here in labeling them “unproductive” that Iran and the protest leaders are interested in helping Palestinians. 

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Posted (edited)
33 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yeah I wonder why LMAO

Based on PRONG HORN's posting history, it really doesn't seem he's too fond of anyone other than conservative white males. You'll find bigoted posts against Latinos, Asians, gays/trans, and, of course, Blacks. I think his deal is that he just really hates progressive youth and Muslims more than any actual affinity for Israel or the Jewish people. 

He's just an equal opportunity hater and posts stuff to piss off people who have sympathies for Palestinians. I think he gets off on getting a rise out of people. I mean, shit, the dude once started a whole thread about Americans living in Mexico City and pissing them off until he eventually got chased out of that thread for being overtly gleeful that Anglos were giving Mexicans a bad time.

Here's a small sample of his shit. Every single one of these posts were outside the Cloak Room:

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Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


they can get fucked then 

Yes, Hamas can get fucked. I don't care.

I do care about the other two million Palestinians in Gaza who are in the crossfire. I also care that the Israeli government has systematically oppressed and subjugated the Palestinian people for 50+ years using my tax dollars. I also do care that the occupation of the West Bank is wholly illegal under international law.

Do you?

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Posted
15 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Here's a small sample of his shit. Every single one of these posts were outside the Cloak Room:

 

 

I appreciate the effort but context helps. 

 

1. funny GIF

2. Also funny

3. Fits context of quoted statement

4. Good for goose and gander

5. A statement to those who don't know how good they have it.  

6. Stating that the most destructive religions come from the Middle East

7. Humor that fits the context of the posts quoted and preceding post's themes 

8. The person in the pic quoted plus guys like Vanilla Ice etc. make my point

 

Also, it's like you didn't even find the actually offensive stuff I have posted before.  These aren't very powerful examples.

Posted
4 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


Have Palestinians ever turned on hamas ?

 

When they go against Hamas they are usually killed or beaten/crippled.  There's lots of examples of them trying to get food off of trucks and AID caravans and then getting tortured and shot.  I've seen at least ten video clip examples in just the last few months.  

 

Posted
14 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


Have Palestinians ever turned on hamas ?

Christ, brother, you're a great poster 99% of the time but please gain at least greater than sub-Wikipedia level knowledge on this topic.

Literally all of your posting on this topic is little more than nodding and grunting.

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55 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


Have Palestinians ever turned on hamas ?

Yes. Residents of Gaza held protests against Hamas until they were completely smashed by them like the Stasi.

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Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Christ, brother, you're a great poster 99% of the time but please gain at least greater than sub-Wikipedia level knowledge on this topic.

Literally all of your posting on this topic is little more than nodding and grunting.

Our media absolutely fails us.
 

 

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UK drops plans to challenge ICC arrest warrant request against Benjamin Netanyahu

LONDON (AP) — British Prime Minister Keir Starmer’s office said Friday that the U.K. will not intervene in the International Criminal Court’s request for an arrest warrant against Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

The announcement is reversal of plans announced by former Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, who was ousted earlier this month when Starmer’s Labour Party swept Conservatives from office in a landslide.

“This was a proposal by the previous government which was not submitted before the election, and which I can confirm the government will not be pursuing in line with our long-standing position that this is a matter for the court to decide,” a Starmer spokesperson said.

The court’s prosecutor, Karim Khan, accused Netanyahu, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, and three Hamas leaders — Yehya Sinwar, Mohammed Deif and Ismail Haniyeh — of war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip and Israel.

Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders condemned the move as disgraceful and antisemitic. U.S. President Joe Biden also criticized the prosecutor and supported Israel’s right to defend itself against Hamas — as did Sunak.

Khan sought warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant in May over Israel’s war in Gaza in a symbolic blow that deepened Israel’s isolation over the war in Gaza.

Israel is not a member of the court. Even if warrants are issued, Netanyahu and Gallant do not face any immediate risk of prosecution. But the threat of arrest could make it harder for them to travel.

The ICC had set a deadline for Friday for the government to file a challenge.

Starmer’s decision puts the U.K. at odds with America, though his office on Friday described the decision as based in a strong belief in the separation of powers and the rule of law domestically and internationally.

However, the issue is a tricky one for Starmer and his party.

Starmer, a former human rights lawyer, has been under pressure from his party to take a tougher stand on the ongoing crisis in Gaza, particularly as the number of dead and injured climbs. London has also been the scene of huge protests decrying Israel’s actions intended to root out Hamas militants and has also reported record levels of antisemitic incidents.

Labour lost support and seats they had been expected to win after Starmer initially refused to call for a cease fire shortly after Israel retaliated for the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas militants. The party is still recovering from the stain of a scandal involving antisemitism allegations against the leadership of his predecessor, Jeremy Corbyn.

Nomi Bar-Yaacov, an associate fellow at London’s Chatham House think tank, said that Starmer’s position on Israel has been evolving away from that of its close ally, the United States, as the scale of death and destruction in Gaza pressed on.

“With no end in sight, I think he’s changed his stance,’' she said “I think he’s wary that the UK might be accused of complicity.″

Starmer restored funding for the United Nations’ Palestine relief agency UNRWA, which had been suspended by Sunak’s government in January. He has also said the Palestinian state has an “undeniable right” to be recognized as part of a peace process.

Sacha Deshmukh, Amnesty International U.K.’s chief executive applauded Starmer’s decision not to challenge the action at the Hague court.

“This was a totally misguided intervention by the last government,” Deshmukh said. “Instead of trying to thwart the ICC’s much-needed Palestine investigation, the U.K. should be backing efforts to bring all perpetrators of war crimes and possible genocide to justice.

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

Upcoming Israeli attack on Lebanon thwarted by government-aligned mobs demanding the Rape Factory be reopened

Don't underestimate the sizable surly "hot poker up the ass is good and totally normal" contingent.  

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The only existential threat to Israel is its own right wing. We're maybe a couple of months away from Ben Gvir openly advocating concentration camps for disloyal Jews. 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The only existential threat to Israel is its own right wing. We're maybe a couple of months away from Ben Gvir openly advocating concentration camps for disloyal Jews. 

Yep. This is the most succinct and accurate way to describe what I've been saying all along. It's sliding further and further towards actual, real life Nazism in what has to be the worst cascade of irony of all time.

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Israel’s military has shrunk the only humanitarian zone in Gaza by a fifth recently.

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Palestinians returned to the eastern side of Khan Younis in Gaza on Tuesday after Israeli forces pulled out of the area. Credit: Mohammed Salem/Reuters

The Israeli military has designated just one area of the Gaza Strip as a “humanitarian zone” for displaced people — and that area keeps shrinking.

In the latest downsizing, the military on Saturday ordered the evacuation of two more parts of central Gaza that had been part of the humanitarian zone. Similar orders have forced more than 200,000 Palestinians to relocate over the last week alone, according to the United Nations.

A New York Times analysis of the latest orders showed that the zone has shrunk by more than a fifth in recent weeks, going from encompassing nearly 17 percent of the Gaza Strip to 13 percent now. Maps and analysis of satellite imagery show that the zone is already overcrowded, frequently damaged by strikes and lacking sufficient medical services.

The Israeli military has said its recent evacuations and operations have targeted a renewed Hamas insurgency, and it accused Hamas of launching rockets from the areas that came under the latest evacuation order on Sunday.

But the repeated redrawing of the zone’s borders is one more burden among many on Gaza’s 2.2 million people.

Philippe Lazzarini, the head of the U.N. agency that aids Palestinians, said on Sunday that evacuation orders had affected “almost everyone in Gaza,” adding that many had been forced to flee once a month since the war began in October.

The orders bring “more misery, fear and suffering for people who have nothing to do with this war,” Mr. Lazzarini said on social media.

Since last week, Israel has evacuated more than a fifth of the area that it had previously declared a humanitarian zone.
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The Israeli military recently ordered evacuations in tandem with a ground operation in the southern city of Khan Younis, and on Tuesday it said that operation had concluded, with its forces killing more than 150 militants. In a statement, Hamas said the withdrawal revealed “horrific scenes of widespread destruction.”

The withdrawal of Israeli forces allowed some Palestinians to return to the area, where the Palestinian civil defense agency said that its emergency and rescue crews recovered nearly 300 dead bodies on Tuesday.

Some Gazans, weary of the continued orders to move, have chosen to ignore them. Mohammed Harbi, 33, said he received an automated phone call from the Israeli military on Sunday afternoon ordering him to evacuate Nuseirat in central Gaza and head to the humanitarian zone. But after five consecutive displacements, he decided he no longer wanted to put his wife and two young children through another one.

Besides, Mr. Harbi said in a phone interview, he now believes that “there is no humanitarian zone at all,” and that “there is no safety, only despair.”

Duaa Fura, 35, and her nine family members left their home in northern Gaza in the first week of the war and went to central Gaza, moving around multiple times and settling in the Bureij neighborhood nearly a month ago. But on Sunday, the family received some dreaded and familiar news from their neighbors, telling them that another evacuation had been called.

“People started leaving and running in the streets,” said Ms. Fura, who joined the crowds, running until she found a taxi to drive her and her family to the city of Deir al-Balah. “I have seven children who are exhausted from the displacement and running,” she added.

Like many displaced Gazans, Ms. Fura and her family were living in a tent that they could dismantle and take with them when they had to move. She said that if the Israeli military were to order them to move yet again, “We will do the same thing: take the tent, boxes and bags and run.” She added, “This is our life now.”

Osama al-Sammak, a 33-year-old motion graphics designer, left Bureij with his young daughter and pregnant wife on Thursday when bombardment began intensifying in the area. Just four days after they took shelter at his aunt’s house in Nuseirat, the evacuation order on Sunday sent the family fleeing once again, this time to another aunt’s house in Deir al-Balah, where they would be relatively close to a functioning hospital if his wife went into labor.

Mr. al-Sammak said most Gazans had few options for shelter. “People are sleeping on the streets. There is no more place for any tents at the beach or in Mawasi,” he added, referring to the humanitarian zone.

Posted
5 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Why do I need to elaborate and when have I ever “shit posted”?  It is self-explanatory. 

Do you disagree that the Israeli far-right is a serious danger to their stability as a country?

They literally just had far-right mobs storm two different military bases, encouraged by some members of the Knessit, in response to the arrests of some IDF soldiers for raping Palestinian detainees.

https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/what-happened-at-israeli-detention-centre-israeli-far-right-mobs-storm-idf-base-in-riots-bordering-on-anarchy-u735wwl1

There is strong reason to believe Itamar Ben-Gvir purposefully delayed the police response, the Israeli defense minister is demanding an investigation. Ben-Gvir is their fucking national security minister.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-07-30/ty-article/.premium/gallant-to-netanyahu-probe-ben-gvirs-role-in-delayed-response-to-riots-at-idf-bases/00000191-0386-df85-a399-eb96270e0000

@statsman you got something to say too, bitch? Speak up.

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I really don't know why you engage with these guys, man. What they think is very clear: Palestinians aren't people, they deserve the most vile treatment imaginable, and those who inflict that treatment on them are morally good for doing so.  You're not going to convince them otherwise.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I disagree entirely with what wildcat posted that I bolded. You agreed with it. It is a fucking laughable thought. Your response is long and I’m not gonna read it. 

Two sentences is long, huh?

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13 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

I disagree entirely with what wildcat posted that I bolded. You agreed with it. It is a fucking laughable thought. Your response is long and I’m not gonna read it. 

 

9 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

6 paragraphs with links is long. No idea what you’re talking about. 

Lulz. You and @statsman are both fucking cowards, man. It's sad.

 

14 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I really don't know why you engage with these guys, man. What they think is very clear: Palestinians aren't people, they deserve the most vile treatment imaginable, and those who inflict that treatment on them are morally good for doing so.  You're not going to convince them otherwise.

You're right, I just enjoy making fun of them.

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FWIW, I also disagree a little bit with @wildcat09 here. The Israeli far-right is it's most dire existential threat, but it does have others. The question is of severity. The Israeli far-right is literally threatening, right now as we speak, to tear the country apart from the inside. The boiling point has been reached.

Whatever outside threats they have, Iran etc, are of less immediate concern, which is how serious the situation is.

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3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I've got to admit, I did not see "I'm not persuadable because I'm functionally illiterate" coming. 

I can't decide which is funnier, Rex stamping his foot and refusing to read words so he can continue to pretend he's not owned, or @statsman literally being unable to have a conversation about this topic because he gets his ass handed to him in every discussion, so he's reduced to drive by negging and refusing to comment.

Posted
5 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

More reasonable take, but you agreed with and complimented wildcat on his succinct statement. So not sure I believe you. Regardless, it’s still idiotic to say a right wing govt is more of a threat to its existence than Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and a number of other entities or nation states that have openly said they want Israel gone. 

You guys are both agenda-driven morons, oblivious to how stupid you sound. 

In a vacuum you could certainly make that argument, and those exisential threats are real, but the current status is the far-right elements within Israel's government are literally trying to tear it apart, right now. Major government elements (i.e. the defense minister and national security minister) are being openly hostile to each other. Their national security minister is very likely to have gone rogue. If the government collapses, they are completely fucked. On all fronts.

It is objectively the most severe and immediate threat considering the events that are currently taking place.

Posted
14 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Never encountered someone self-assured yet so retarded. Well you’ve been trumped by wildcat and TexAgs. 

What's wrong about what I said? Are these events not taking place? Would the collapse of the Israeli government not be a disaster for them?

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