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2 hours ago, NorthLoop said:

 

 

Hello? Marie? 

 

Marie knew everything. She's still alive. 

 

And how do you know what Jesse "confessed" to? The only part of the video we saw was him telling about how Todd killed that kid. 

 

Also I seriously doubt that they wouldn't have destroyed that video after watching it. It incriminates all of them. It's the whole reason they ransacked Marie's house for it. 

Marie knows jack shit. She went out for errands when the interview/confession started. She knows Walt has done some really bad shit and that Jesse is somehow involved. Most of the details are foreign to her.

Hank and Gomie have a conversation right after the confession about which of the many leads they should look into first. It's implied that Jesse told them pretty much everything.

My guess is that there's enough incriminating things on that compound to put most of them away for life, so what's another DVD?

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In my opinion, it’s pretty simple: Jesse Pinkman, whether he had some unofficial deal with Hank or not, would be extremely wanted. He was the partner of the most prolific meth cook in the US, who was suspected of killing a cartel capo who had for years operated under the nose of the DEA. He was the only survivor of a mass murder scene that left 8 neo nazis dead as well as said meth cook. Not to mention two high ranking DEA officers are dead. The DEA and other law enforcement agencies aren’t going to be like “meh, if we see him around we will pick him up and see what’s on his mind.” They would hunt him down.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Patricio Swayze said:

In my opinion, it’s pretty simple: Jesse Pinkman, whether he had some unofficial deal with Hank or not, would be extremely wanted. He was the partner of the most prolific meth cook in the US, who was suspected of killing a cartel capo who had for years operated under the nose of the DEA. He was the only survivor of a mass murder scene that left 8 neo nazis dead as well as said meth cook. Not to mention two high ranking DEA officers are dead. The DEA and other law enforcement agencies aren’t going to be like “meh, if we see him around we will pick him up and see what’s on his mind.” They would hunt him down.

it's possible, but there are ways they could've made that a lot more clear.  someone mentioned jesse's dna at the scene.  that would've helped (but there was likely a ton of random dna there).  he was on the news and there were cops at his parents house.  there's zero chance that had been going on for 6+ months, so i would've appreciated some clarity on the subject of "what the cops found that made jesse public enemy #1 john dillinger when he took off in the el camino".  i'm not saying i don't believe it (i sorta don't), just that it could've been executed better.

they know about walt (found dead) and they know about the gang (also dead).  nothing from that scene (or the history of the character) screams "go find pinkman, he's obviously the mastermind behind this whole thing".  having him on tv was a plot device to raise the stakes for the movie.  that's it.

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Walt knew Jessie must have been alive because Badger and Skinny told him the blue stuff was on the market.  The cops might have thought it was Jesse too since Walt was known to have taken off somewhere after he left the house with Holly.

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33 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:
it's possible, but there are ways they could've made that a lot more clear.  someone mentioned jesse's dna at the scene.  that would've helped (but there was likely a ton of random dna there).  he was on the news and there were cops at his parents house.  there's zero chance that had been going on for 6+ months, so i would've appreciated some clarity on the subject of "what the cops found that made jesse public enemy #1 john dillinger when he took off in the el camino".  i'm not saying i don't believe it (i sorta don't), just that it could've been executed better.
they know about walt (found dead) and they know about the gang (also dead).  nothing from that scene (or the history of the character) screams "go find pinkman, he's obviously the mastermind behind this whole thing".  having him on tv was a plot device to raise the stakes for the movie.  that's it.

 


I think y’all are making this too complicated.

DEA Agent: Marie, who was Hank with when you left the house?

Marie: Agent Gomez and Jesse Pinkman.

 

Edited by Patricio Swayze

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What’s the six months question about?

-Shootout in the desert - Hank & Gomez dead. Jesse kidnapped by nazis.
-Walt runs and becomes a wanted man.
-Walt hides in New Hampshire for six months.
-Walt returns to ABQ, murders all the nazis, frees Jesse, and dies
-Jesse speeds away in the El Camino
END OF “BREAKING BAD”
START OF “EL CAMINO”
-Jesse speeds away in the El Camino
-Cops arrive at nazi compound, discover evidence of Jesse’s involvement (DNA?, the confession tape?, info from Marie?)
-Jesse hides at Badger and Skinny Pete’s
-Cops discover someone (evidence points to Jesse) escaped nazi compound in El Camino, turn on the LowJack
-Cops get to El Camino’s location, SP spins his tale
-Cops put out APB for Jesse, he’s now all over the news and his face is everywhere

The timeline of “El Camino” seems to be a few days at most.

-Night One - escape and sleep at SP’s
-Day Two - Jesse leaves in the Fiero, goes to Todd’s, police have already been there, gets into it with fake police/welder, money split, Jesse leaves but not without seeing welder’s truck
-Day Three - Jesse goes to the vacuum man, needs more money, searches for welder
-Night Three - Jesse drives around ABQ looking for shops using the yellow pages as a guide, finds welder’s truck at a shop, shootout, Jesse gets their money
-Day Four - Jesse returns to vacuum shop, agreement made with the disappearer
-Unknown number of days - Jesse hides in the basement room at vacuum shop while arrangements are made to disappear him, travel to Alaska, Jesse drives off in truck (probably a week in the basement room if he’s still going by the rules he told Saul and Walt)

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Jesse’s DNA had to have been all over the compound.  He had to have been in the database as well.


Why would he have been in the database?

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1 hour ago, scottsins said:

 


Why would he have been in the database?

 

It’s been a while since I’ve seen the original series so I can’t remember if he was ever arrested or not.

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9 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

What’s the six months question about?

-Shootout in the desert - Hank & Gomez dead. Jesse kidnapped by nazis.
-Walt runs and becomes a wanted man.
-Walt hides in New Hampshire for six months.
-Walt returns to ABQ, murders all the nazis, frees Jesse, and dies
-Jesse speeds away in the El Camino
END OF “BREAKING BAD”
START OF “EL CAMINO”
-Jesse speeds away in the El Camino
-Cops arrive at nazi compound, discover evidence of Jesse’s involvement (DNA?, the confession tape?, info from Marie?)
-Jesse hides at Badger and Skinny Pete’s
-Cops discover someone (evidence points to Jesse) escaped nazi compound in El Camino, turn on the LowJack
-Cops get to El Camino’s location, SP spins his tale
-Cops put out APB for Jesse, he’s now all over the news and his face is everywhere

The timeline of “El Camino” seems to be a few days at most.

-Night One - escape and sleep at SP’s
-Day Two - Jesse leaves in the Fiero, goes to Todd’s, police have already been there, gets into it with fake police/welder, money split, Jesse leaves but not without seeing welder’s truck
-Day Three - Jesse goes to the vacuum man, needs more money, searches for welder
-Night Three - Jesse drives around ABQ looking for shops using the yellow pages as a guide, finds welder’s truck at a shop, shootout, Jesse gets their money
-Day Four - Jesse returns to vacuum shop, agreement made with the disappearer
-Unknown number of days - Jesse hides in the basement room at vacuum shop while arrangements are made to disappear him, travel to Alaska, Jesse drives off in truck (probably a week in the basement room if he’s still going by the rules he told Saul and Walt)

The bold parts are what's in question.  You're just guessing at filling in those blanks where the movie could have been a lot better if they'd tied those loose ends up (along with some others already discussed).

The movie felt pretty thrown together and rests on the laurels of Breaking Bad.  No doubt I enjoyed watching it and having new BB related material.  But it could have been done a lot better.  The creativity and attention to detail that made Breaking Bad so great are sorely lacking in El Camino.  Breaking Bad was an A+ but this movie was pretty much a C.

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1 hour ago, SwanderedTalent said:

we also didn't get to see Marie's batshit crazy cranked up to 14 after Hank got ganked

that could be a spinoff

I think we’d all like to at least see the all purple widow’s mourning dress and casket.      With flowers stolen from the finest florists in all of New Mexico.  As each fellow agent walks by the casket as the scaffold is lowered, all you hear is the clank of each precious gem hitting the top of the casket.


somewhere across the cemetery, a lone tortoise slowly walks Across a pathway to a nicer tombstone . Skyler puts a hand on her sister’s shoulder and they both wonder aloud, “how did we get here, sis?”  Walter Junior lowers the window from a dark purple town car and shouts, “he’s still dead, can we freakin go get breakfast now?”

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ok.  i can buy the explanation put forth by @Bama Chick that the titular character (the camino) was the jump-off point for all the heat.  it was convoluted in its execution, but i'm willing to accept it.

i don't buy that anyone gave a shit about pinkman during the 6+ months walt was in nh.  i don't think he was "wanted" in connection to murdered dea agents, a confession tape, blue meth being "back" or any of that nonsense.  after the beating (even before), it seemed like hank was the only one that had a hard-on for jesse, and everyone else definitely was told to drop it.  and i don't think dna played a part at all.

but during the investigation of the shootout, at some point maybe, there was a connection to the car - which was missing.  the lojack was activated - then tracking it to skinny pete's place led them to suspect jesse's involvement (a known associate).  i can get behind this, and props to bama for actually putting it together.  this was an issue for me, and sounds like for others.  sucks though, because that part of the cops picking up the trail, finding the car, questioning pete, ramping up the pinkman manhunt - that would've been great television (movie).

it also would've greatly amplified what was arguably the best scene in the movie - todd's house with the fake cops.  if we knew the camino was the lead, we would've been sure that jesse was fucked.

it's almost like they shot 3 hours and kinda chose the wrong stuff to leave on the cutting room floor.

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I was just fine with the movie until y'all started nitpicking.  Now, I want to know how the cops knew about the El Camino in the first place.  No one around to report it stolen.  How could they leave a plot hole so large you could drive a souped up car/truck through it?

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I was just fine with the movie until y'all started nitpicking.  Now, I want to know how the cops knew about the El Camino in the first place.  No one around to report it stolen.  How could they leave a plot hole so large you could drive a souped up car/truck through it?

Cops show up at crime scene and find dead Todd. Run his name through the system and an el Camino is registered to him. It is not at the scene of the crime. They go to all dead nazis’ houses. All cars vehicles are accounted for, except Todd’s. Something like that.

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58 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:


Cops show up at crime scene and find dead Todd. Run his name through the system and an el Camino is registered to him. It is not at the scene of the crime. They go to all dead nazis’ houses. All cars vehicles are accounted for, except Todd’s. Something like that.

I could have just made up a bunch of stuff.  I do feel better now, though.  Thanks.

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1 hour ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Cops show up at crime scene and find dead Todd. Run his name through the system and an el Camino is registered to him. It is not at the scene of the crime. They go to all dead nazis’ houses. All cars vehicles are accounted for, except Todd’s. Something like that.

yeah, you'd have to assume that the tracks in the dirt from jesse speeding off were fairly obvious and easy to tell that they were recent (and not walt's car).

i don't know what kind of a name jerry callo is, but you've got a lot to learn about how tire marks can help the police solve a case.

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Yeah, I don’t think Jesse was a wanted man while Walt was missing.

I think the police only became aware of him after the nazi shootout.

Yeah, all the police work wasn’t shown to us but that wasn’t really the point of the movie, to me.

This was Jesse’s coda. He would be in the dark about what the police were doing too. We were just along for the ride with Jesse.

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On 10/23/2019 at 1:16 PM, Lobo said:

I think we’d all like to at least see the all purple widow’s mourning dress and casket.      With flowers stolen from the finest florists in all of New Mexico.  As each fellow agent walks by the casket as the scaffold is lowered, all you hear is the clank of each precious gem hitting the top of the casket.


somewhere across the cemetery, a lone tortoise slowly walks Across a pathway to a nicer tombstone . Skyler puts a hand on her sister’s shoulder and they both wonder aloud, “how did we get here, sis?”  Walter Junior lowers the window from a dark purple town car and shouts, “he’s still dead, can we freakin go get breakfast now?”

You almost nailed it.  Here, I fixed it for ya:

Walter Junior lowers the window from a dark purple town car and shouts, “he...he...he’s thtill dead, ca...ca...can we freakin go get breakfath now?”

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On 10/11/2019 at 4:18 PM, Sparky said:

A lot of fat Todd.

I found the aging of the characters like his pretty distracting for a story that was supposed to be picking up right where we left off.

I also laughed at the close up shots of the eyes during the 'duel', like a Spaghetti Western.  I'm guessing that was a 'wink wink, nudge, nudge' thing by Gilligan?   Overall, for me, this was a pretty 'eh' kind of thing.  Very competently done, of course, and yeah, I don't  know what I was expecting.   Jesse seems like such a overall tragic character that I guess the next one should be him getting eaten by a bear.

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8 hours ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

I found the aging of the characters like his pretty distracting for a story that was supposed to be picking up right where we left off.

I also laughed at the close up shots of the eyes during the 'duel', like a Spaghetti Western.  I'm guessing that was a 'wink wink, nudge, nudge' thing by Gilligan?   Overall, for me, this was a pretty 'eh' kind of thing.  Very competently done, of course, and yeah, I don't  know what I was expecting.   Jesse seems like such a overall tragic character that I guess the next one should be him getting eaten by a bear.

yeah, this was most likely greenlit and budgeted the minute gilligan's agent called netflix, so the lack of much creative storytelling is predictable.

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Doubt very seriously the DEA/cops were looking for Jesse before Walt went out with a bang.

As noted above, Marie would've explained that Hank and Gomez left her house with Pinkman the day they disappeared.

She'd have told them he was giving up everybody to the DEA, so I'd imagine the DEA assumed he'd been killed along with Hank and Gomey.

So once the crime scene evidence suggests he's still alive and escaped, they're obviously gonna hunting him.

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Also I don't think it'd take long at all before the cops snapped to the missing El Camino.

Someone smashed through the gate to the compound, on their way out.  So what vehicles did everyone own and which is missing from the scene?

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Why the fuck would a meth cook aryan brotherhood dude put a Lojack on their El Camino? The same car they used to hide bodes in the desert? 

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Didn’t Jesse have an el Camino in the first season with tags that said “capnCook”???

or was it an old camaro? 

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32 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Didn’t Jesse have an el Camino in the first season with tags that said “capnCook”???

or was it an old camaro? 

I remember a low riding Malibu.

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Lotta old shitty, GM cars go missing in the ABQ apparently.  Man's gotta have a Jack.  Or a code.  Or both.  

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Well, I feel like a dick.  Wife just informed me the actor who played Walt Jr actually has cerebral palsy in real life.  I've been mocking that character for years.

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Well, I feel like a dick.  Wife just informed me the actor who played Walt Jr actually has cerebral palsy in real life.  I've been mocking that character for years.

Jesus man, come on.

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Well, I feel like a dick.  Wife just informed me the actor who played Walt Jr actually has cerebral palsy in real life.  I've been mocking that character for years.

Well, he’s from Dallas so there’s still a lot to mock.

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2 hours ago, Patricio Swayze said:

What is kind of funny about that is hearing Bill Burr’s recent comedy special where he mentions Cranston and a role he took as a quadriplegic.

That's a pretty good movie. 

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