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38 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

Why not go back to what we had pre-ACA?  Insurance premiums were affordable then.  The harsh reality is that the ACA's mandate that insurers insure those with pre-existing conditions no matter what caused two things:

1)Younger, healthy people didn't join thus shrinking the pool of those that paid in (because hell, why pay in when you can get insurance when you get sick!)

2)Those that paid in had to cover the immensely large risk pool of those that should be paying the higher premiums (essentially distorting the health insurance market) so this results in massive premiums for those in the middle class and upper class.  

Couple those two things with the compounding effects of inefficient 3rd party billing and hospital overcharging (because yeah, they know insurance will pay for it), then you have quite the unsustainable, economic conundrum.  

Or, hear me out here, we penalize healthy people who choose not to buy insurance as an incentive to keep them in the pool. 

Also, going back to pre-ACA and denying people with pre-existing conditions coverage doesn't magically solve the problem, those sick people who will no longer have coverage are still going to go to the emergency room and get treated, they will just be stuck with the 6 figure bill that they will not be able to pay. Who do you think eats those costs when that happens? Why do you think hospitals charge $10 for a cough drop? The larger question is, should insurance companies bear those costs or the consumers?  

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2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Yup.

Every Democrat is an evil socialist devil regardless.  So maybe run progressive candidates who aren't scared of their own policies to energize and motivate the base and show people that these policies are not out of the mainstream when communicated in the correct manner.

The Democrats have to stop recruiting, campaigning and governing with one hand tied behind their back to appease the pearl-clutching Fox News crowd. 

 

3 hours ago, GSU&UT said:

Protip: The GOP is going to make a boogeyman out of someone. For years it was Pelosi, now it will be AOC. It's time to stop this mess of constantly worrying about how an evil party is going to portray you and how you actually get people energized and motivated.

Dem candidates aren't going to convert Fox news watches and should stop trying to appeal to them. Those voters will always vote for any candidate with a R next to their name as seen by Trump, Moore, etc. 

Dems need to find a new base from the subset of disenfranchised voters and motivate them to become active in politics. I'd argue that is why Ocasio -Cortez won and how Obama did too. Dem leadership is afraid of this, because they are basically Republican lite and want to maintain the status quo. 

Appealing to moderates is a losing strategy from an election and policy position because those moderates won't switch or already support dem policies which dem leadership are too afraid to defend. 

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1 hour ago, American Swindle said:

Why not go back to what we had pre-ACA?  Insurance premiums were affordable then.  The harsh reality is that the ACA's mandate that insurers insure those with pre-existing conditions no matter what caused two things:

1)Younger, healthy people didn't join thus shrinking the pool of those that paid in (because hell, why pay in when you can get insurance when you get sick!)

2)Those that paid in had to cover the immensely large risk pool of those that should be paying the higher premiums (essentially distorting the health insurance market) so this results in massive premiums for those in the middle class and upper class.  

Couple those two things with the compounding effects of inefficient 3rd party billing and hospital overcharging (because yeah, they know insurance will pay for it), then you have quite the unsustainable, economic conundrum.  

Which is why we're closer to single payer health care than we are the system we had before the ACA. Single payer is what we're going to wind up with, it's just a matter of when it happens.

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1 minute ago, Washpark said:

 

Dem candidates aren't going to convert Fox news watches and should stop trying to appeal to them. Those voters will always vote for any candidate with a R next to their name as seen by Trump, Moore, etc. 

Dems need to find a new base from the subset of disenfranchised voters and motivate them to become active in politics. I'd argue that is why Ocasio -Cortez won and how Obama did too. Dem leadership is afraid of this, because they are basically Republican lite and want to maintain the status quo. 

Appealing to moderates is a losing strategy from an election and policy position because those moderates won't switch or already support dem policies which dem leadership are too afraid to defend. 

There seems to be a lot of "if she can do it, anybody can," but that isn't accurate. 

Nobody appeals to moderates in NY14.  Most of the city council members whose districts overlap NY14 make O-C seem like a libertarian.  Ocasio Cortez won a +29 Dem district while benefiting from an indifferent incumbent and from being the only race on the ballot.  She lives in a Dem landslide district like the one Sheila Jackson Lee wins every election.  (SJL is also far more ineffective than Crowley, so I'm not sure why the DSA doesn't focus on getting someone decent there).

Only 27,658 votes were cast of which she won 15,897.  I think more than that signed the petition for her to run.  Still not sure what Crowley was thinking with his non-existent campaign.  178,000 votes were cast in the 2016 general election for NY14 with a President on the ballot.  The 2014 general election had 67,000 total voters with a Governor race on the ballot.  I'd estimate that we'll get 90,000 in this general because of a Governor race and anti-Trump fury.  Either way, the district continues to have an anemic turnout which will always make it primed for the picking in the Democratic primary.  It isn't out of the realm of possibility for another young person to run O-C's playbook against her successfully in 2020 or 2022.  If exit polling was accurate, she also didn't turn out historically disenfranchised people.  Latinos still didn't turn out very well at all and most of her voters were primarily young, white, and middle class who are primarily gentrifiers who want rent concessions while being the ones who are driving up the rents in the first place.  Nearly every last one of her canvassers were white or Asian.  If someone does start to turn out Latino voters next time, it could get really interesting.  And really, she didn't and couldn't win a statewide or national election.  At least not right now.   I don't expect her to be entirely progressive in voting though. 

I do get why she's concerned about Crowley being on the general ballot with a 3rd party, but nobody in the district knows who either of them are really.  She only has 15,897 sure votes.  The rest are a crap shoot, but she would probably be safer if everyone quit talking about her, so the general election voters in NY14 can come in and vote for all the (D)s without really knowing any of the names like they always do.

Obama was a moderate from the outset.  Not even a progressive.

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43 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

She’s Puerto Rican?   Bio says born in NYC.  That makes her American.  

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Just now, deadshank said:

She’s Puerto Rican?   Bio says born in NYC.  That makes her American.  

Anyone else want to hit this softball?  Anyone?  Bueller?

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lulz

I tell people I'm a Texan, but I was born in Austin so I guess I'm an American. This is obviously more complicated than that as she's referencing PR as an ethnicity, but it's always funny to see another person who doesn't realize Puerto Ricans are American.

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3 minutes ago, deadshank said:

She’s Puerto Rican?   Bio says born in NYC.  That makes her American.  

It needs to be harder to log on to the internet so that people this stupid can't figure it out.

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2 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Pig asked the right question.  I'm awaiting your response.

PR is a US territory.  Not a state, can’t vote in our Fed elections.  Kind of in no man’s land with some US benefits but lacking others.  

She states she is PR.   But she’s born in NYC.  So.....that makes her an American.   

Where am I wrong?

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6 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

What nationality do you think people born in Puerto Rico have?

She wasn’t born in PR.  

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Corollary question: are you aware some people identify with specific cultures/ethnic identities based on their families and not just the physical location of their birth?

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3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It needs to be harder to log on to the internet so that people this stupid can't figure it out.

How am I wrong?

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1 minute ago, OatmealRaisinCookie said:

The more confusing part to me is why people are defaulting to race and not gender. The guy says "Woman or whatever you are", so wouldn't the natural assumption and faux political outrage be "ASSUMING GENDER! Implying sh'es a woman or dismissively a TRANSPERSON!". He didn't say "PRican or Mexican or whatever you are".

Nobody is defaulting to race you idiot, the target of the comment responded that she's a Puerto Rican woman for a cynical attempt at scoring political points out of the other guy's stupid comment. Like I told you earlier, every time you click on Submit Reply you just show everyone how ignorant you are.

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Just now, Pig Bellmont said:

Corollary question: are you aware some people identify with specific cultures/ethnic identities based on their families and not just the physical location of their birth?

Yes. I realize that.  What of it?

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Just now, deadshank said:

How am I wrong?

Because you believe that being born in NYC makes her an American instead of a Puerto Rican.

Meanwhile, reality says that being born in Puerto Rico would also make her an American. You weren't "wrong" in the sense that she's not American, you were wrong in the sense that you believed being Puerto Rican was a different option.

 

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1 minute ago, deadshank said:

Yes. I realize that.  What of it?

You clearly don’t or you wouldn’t have made the post about where she was born.

Separately, I don’t know why she’s a lightning rod for media attention, but mentioning her name seems to enrage a lot of people/trolls

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Just now, Pig Bellmont said:

You clearly don’t or you wouldn’t have made the post about where she was born.

Separately, I don’t know why she’s a lightning rod for media attention, but mentioning her name seems to enrage a lot of people/trolls

Young

Female

Latina

Everything the GOP hates right now because it's the opposite of old, male and white.

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Attractive, young, leftist, brown woman gains some measure of success in a strongly left leaning district.  

The white patriarchy is collapsing! Rage!

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3 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Because you believe that being born in NYC makes her an American instead of a Puerto Rican.

Meanwhile, reality says that being born in Puerto Rico would also make her an American. You weren't "wrong" in the sense that she's not American, you were wrong in the sense that you believed being Puerto Rican was a different option.

 

Being born in the USA does make you an American.  Being born in PR makes you Prican and a US citizen. 

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6 minutes ago, deadshank said:

PR is a US territory.  Not a state, can’t vote in our Fed elections.  Kind of in no man’s land with some US benefits but lacking others.  

She states she is PR.   But she’s born in NYC.  So.....that makes her an American.   

Where am I wrong?

I somewhat agree with you.  If someone's parents were born in Guam while they were born in Texas, would they identify as Guamese or Texan? 

However, people from every other Latino country/territory/place uses their ancestral country/territory name as a pseudo-ethnic identifier, so I don't see why its bad for Puerto Ricans to do so too.  Plenty of Texans who have been in Texas for generations and speak no Spanish identify as Mexican as well.

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3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Young

Female

Latina

Everything the GOP hates right now because it's the opposite of old, male and white.

Nope.  She’s fine by me.  Glad she is participating.  Not scared of her in the least.   Just questioning her claim to be PRican when she is clearly an American born in NYC.  In her tweet it seems she values her “PR” status more than being an American.   

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What are you talking about. AOC defaulted to race in her tweet. Are we on the same planet right now?
Rep DeSantis, it seems you‘re confused as to “whatever I am.”

I am a Puerto Rican woman. It‘s strange you don’t know what that is, given that ~75,000 Puerto Ricans have relocated to Florida in the 10 mos since María.

But I’m sure these new FL voters appreciate your comments!
You asked why people were defaulting. People weren't. AOC responded by saying she's a Puerto Rican woman. You'll note, assuming you're capable, that this includes the word woman in order to address DeSantis's idiotic comment. She also prefaced it with Puerto Rican in order to proceed to tie it in to DeSantis's upcoming election.

Now that I've explained it to you go be a moron somewhere else.

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11 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Nobody is defaulting to race you idiot, the target of the comment responded that she's a Puerto Rican woman for a cynical attempt at scoring political points out of the other guy's stupid comment. Like I told you earlier, every time you click on Submit Reply you just show everyone how ignorant you are.

Puerto Rican isn't a race anyway.  Puerto Ricans come in all races.  

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2 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

I somewhat agree with you.  If someone's parents were born in Guam while they were born in Texas, would they identify as Guamese or Texan? 

However, people from every other Latino country/territory/place uses their ancestral country/territory name as a pseudo-ethnic identifier, so I don't see why its bad for Puerto Ricans to do so too.  Plenty of Texans who have been in Texas for generations and speak no Spanish identify as Mexican as well.

My point.  I have no problem with her showing pride in her PR roots.   In my opinion she should think of herself as American first. 

You boys need to settle down. 

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3 minutes ago, deadshank said:

Nope.  She’s fine by me.  Glad she is participating.  Not scared of her in the least.   Just questioning her claim to be PRican when she is clearly an American born in NYC.  In her tweet it seems she values her “PR” status more than being an American.   

It seems you value being stupid more than sounding racist.

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Being born in the USA does make you an American.  Being born in PR makes you Prican and a US citizen. 
That's a nice trick you've set up for yourself there where being American and being a US citizen are different.

Seems like you're claiming that Puerto Ricans aren't American. Is that your claim?

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1 minute ago, tantric superman said:

It seems you value being stupid more than sounding racist.

Whatever. 

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4 minutes ago, deadshank said:

My point.  I have no problem with her showing pride in her PR roots.   In my opinion she should think of herself as American first. 

You boys need to settle down. 

I'm sure you have the same reservations for the large segment of our great State's population who are more proud to be Texans than Americans. 

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1 minute ago, Huckleberry said:

That's a nice trick you've set up for yourself there where being American and being a US citizen are different.

Seems like you're claiming that Puerto Ricans aren't American. Is that your claim?

That depends on the Puerto Rican’s you ask. Some probably identify as American and some don’t.   

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Just now, Lagunamadre said:

I'm sure you have the same reservations for the large segment of our great State's population who are more proud to be Texans than Americans. 

Meh.  The whole “Texan by the grace of God” is pretty lame.   

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That depends on the Puerto Rican’s you ask. Some probably identify as American and some don’t.   
Unless you're a Puerto Rican I'm not asking any Puerto Ricans. I'm asking you.

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1 minute ago, Lagunamadre said:

I'm sure you have the same reservations for the large segment of our great State's population who are more proud to be Texans than Americans. 

I’m sure he also has the same reservations for all of the white southerners who wave confederate flags.

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

I’m sure he also has the same reservations for all of the white southerners who wave confederate flags.

Nope.  Rebel battle flags are all sorts of retarded.   The north was right.  Sorry to burst your bubble. 

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What's her policy proposal based on this observation? Assuming of course that that statistic is actually correct.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

What's her policy proposal based on this observation? Assuming of course that that statistic is actually correct.

 

 

 

Homelessness is high. But apartment vacancies are historically low. Shelters do have empty beds though, but they have curfew and substance use policies. Nobody has to be homeless in nyc.  The city is legally required to house them. 

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Neoliberal dream future is means-testing, drug-testing, and work-requiring all social welfare programs.

Also the Republican dream future, but the neolib version is nicer about it with more tech-forward solutioneering.

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3 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Dem Strategy is So Powerful

No one cares, DNC. Why do you focus on shit no one cares about?

Because they're by nature timid and never leave their shared room to notice the world has changed. Trump's hypocrisy on Made in America is among the least of the nation's  worries about our leader.

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5 hours ago, David Dennison said:

She's not a danger to the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party needs more candidates like her.

If I could get your real personal information I would nominate you for the post of chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

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1 hour ago, deadshank said:

PR is a US territory.  Not a state, can’t vote in our Fed elections.  Kind of in no man’s land with some US benefits but lacking others.  

She states she is PR.   But she’s born in NYC.  So.....that makes her an American.   

Where am I wrong?

Weaponized autism. 

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1 hour ago, Lagunamadre said:

Or, hear me out here, we penalize healthy people who choose not to buy insurance as an incentive to keep them in the pool. 

Also, going back to pre-ACA and denying people with pre-existing conditions coverage doesn't magically solve the problem, those sick people who will no longer have coverage are still going to go to the emergency room and get treated, they will just be stuck with the 6 figure bill that they will not be able to pay. Who do you think eats those costs when that happens? Why do you think hospitals charge $10 for a cough drop? The larger question is, should insurance companies bear those costs or the consumers?  

 

1 hour ago, Lagunamadre said:

Or, hear me out here, we penalize healthy people who choose not to buy insurance as an incentive to keep them in the pool. 

Also, going back to pre-ACA and denying people with pre-existing conditions coverage doesn't magically solve the problem, those sick people who will no longer have coverage are still going to go to the emergency room and get treated, they will just be stuck with the 6 figure bill that they will not be able to pay. Who do you think eats those costs when that happens? Why do you think hospitals charge $10 for a cough drop? The larger question is, should insurance companies bear those costs or the consumers?  

Doesn't the IRS penalize you if you don't buy insurance right now?  Why is the ER so expensive in the first place?  It's a systemic issue that I highlighted already (overcharging, ineffecient bureaucratic issues...etc.) 

 

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