Texas AD Chris Del Conte

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

15 hours ago, Lobwedgephil said:

 

that doesn't change or rebut anything in the mild joke Del Conte made, Billy, you stupid bitch

[Armybrat 40464]

Billy forgets aggy ran away like a scared little butthurt girl.

Now he enjoys the nonstop pegging train the SEC big boys run on them year in & out.

[TexasMan 10640]

Here's the interview with Chip. Specifically the quote that made aggy all butthurt, from 58:40 - 101:40

 

 

https://traffic.megaphone.fm/CBS3703388913.mp3

 

[Randolph Duke 4034]

17 hours ago, Lobwedgephil said:

 

I’d like to hear Liucci’s explanation of “Deloss’ downfall.” 

Deloss spent over 30 yrs at UT, wanted to retire before he turned 75 (he stepped down as AD at age 74), and was still being named “AD of the year” as late as 2011. 

No aggy AD has ever stayed on the job as long as Deloss or even kept their job as AD into their 70s.

So, Billy, walk me through Deloss’ “downfall.” If anything, it was Bill Byrne who suffered the downfall.

Byrne lasted less than a decade as AD at A&M and was dumped as AD before A&M left the Big 12. When Byrne was canned as AD, A&M athletics was unable to pay its bills and in deep debt to the academic side (A&M athletics is still repaying this debt at zero percent interest and isn't scheduled to fully repay the university until 2028, 22 years after the debt was originated). Upon being let go as AD by A&M at age 67, Byrne's career was effectively over. Byrne did such a bang-up job as aggy AD, he was "ushered into early retirement" in early 2012, while Deloss was still very comfortable in his position as UT AD (Deloss didn't announce his decision to retire until September 2013, well after Byrne was kicked out as aggy AD).

But Deloss was supposedly the one who suffered the "downfall." Got it.

Those rednecks just fabricate fairy tales and the shit-for-brains they refer to as students and alumni just lap it all up, completely ignorant of the truth.

The people of Texas deserve better than Texas A&M. 

Edited May 6, 2020 by Randolph Duke

[A’Dam Psycho 1433]

8 minutes ago, TexasMan said:

Here's the interview with Chip. Specifically the quote that made aggy all butthurt, from 58:40 - 101:40

 

 

https://traffic.megaphone.fm/CBS3703388913.mp3

 

After listening to the entire answer, as I expected, the quote was completely taken out of context and was not a joke or shot at aggy. Bummer because I wish CDC flamed them but nah

[Armybrat 40464]

Guess I could tell Looch that aggy last won it when my oldest brother was still in diapers. He will be 82 this year.

[texasstrong12 4668]

13 hours ago, Zone Read said:

If any of the recruits from the last time aggy won a NC are even still living, they're probably back in diapers.

I have no clue why these idiots talk about "winning". 

In the last 20 years-

*46 P5 programs have more 10 win seasons than Texas A&M in football. 

*43 programs have more College World Series wins than Texas A&M. 

*57 programs have more elite 8 appearances than A&M in men's college basketball. 

It's like they live in an alternate reality. Not only are they not winning they're getting lapped by programs across the country. 

[Randolph Duke 4034]

3 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

I have no clue why these idiots talk about "winning". 

In the last 20 years-

*46 P5 programs have more 10 win seasons than Texas A&M in football. 

*43 programs have more College World Series wins than Texas A&M. 

*57 programs have more elite 8 appearances than A&M in men's college basketball. 

It's like they live in an alternate reality. Not only are they not winning they're getting lapped by programs across the country. 

Let's not forget that in 2012, aggy's only 10-win season in the past generation, they didn't even have 10 wins over P5 (or even FBS) teams. That season had 9 FBS and 2 FCS wins.

Since aggy joined the SEC, no FBS team has played more FCS opponents than Texas A&M.

[Jabberwocky 1666]

6 hours ago, Randolph Duke said:

But Deloss was supposedly the one who suffered the "downfall." Got it.

This is probably a polarizing opinion, but to be fair, it was the shrewd negotiating and leveraging of conference members by Deloss Dodds that initiated the implosion of a conference that was, at the time, very marketable and entertaining. I will never understand why the AD's could not work together to make some money.

[TwiceHorn 30715]

3 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

This is probably a polarizing opinion, but to be fair, it was the shrewd negotiating and leveraging of conference members by Deloss Dodds that initiated the implosion of a conference that was, at the time, very marketable and entertaining. I will never understand why the AD's could not work together to make some money.

Yeah, Dodds was pretty good at that aspect of it.  And he wound up hiring Brown and Barnes, possibly not entirely volitionally, at least Brown.

So those positive things relatively late in his career at Texas tend to absolve him in some minds for the administrative mess he made of the Department and for the other, bad hires.  His other great contribution was the Longhorn Foundation, but that was one of the first things he did, and is largely forgotten.

 

[Randolph Duke 4034]

51 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

This is probably a polarizing opinion, but to be fair, it was the shrewd negotiating and leveraging of conference members by Deloss Dodds that initiated the implosion of a conference that was, at the time, very marketable and entertaining. I will never understand why the AD's could not work together to make some money.

My point was that Deloss had no "downfall." He left on his terms, money dripping out of his pockets, and with the university naming a major street that runs by the stadium after him. That's no "downfall."

The reality is that there was nothing Deloss could have done to push for the lenient Prop 48 rules Nebraska wanted. Colorado had more alumni in California than in all the non-Colorado Big 12 footprint. The CU alumni dictated that switch, not any animosity toward Deloss. aggy is just a better cultural fit in the SEC. Why they had to (and still have to) make such a major issue of their leaving speaks to their BAS issues, not to anything Deloss did or said.

There was nothing Deloss was going to be able to do more than he did.

Remember, when aggy complains about "unequal media revenues," aggy would gave gotten as much, if not more, had they been able to put a decent team on the field. At the height of Texas' media value under Mack Brown, the difference between what Texas was receiving from the Big 12 media pool and what A&M received was negligible.

Deloss had the ability to be a real ass when he wanted to, but he didn't treat Bill Byrne, Sharp, Loftin, et al, with anything other than the level of respect they deserved. Deloss just had little use for the dumbfuckery that did, and still does, define Texas A&M and aggy athletics.

Edited May 6, 2020 by Randolph Duke

[Jabberwocky 1666]

2 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

There was nothing Deloss was going to be able to do more than he did.

I simply do not believe this, and it seems very disingenuous at best. The fact was that he often negotiated with conference members harshly behind closed doors, and then would publicly announce through the media that he gave them all a fair shot.

[Armybrat 40464]

If the other ADs didn’t have the balls to negotiate with a former track coach from the Big 8, then that’s on them. 
Maybe years of dealing with Osborne emasculated them down to aggy level.

[Jabberwocky 1666]

4 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

If the other ADs didn’t have the balls to negotiate with a former track coach from the Big 8, then that’s on them. 

They tried negotiating, then they left when they realized negotiating with Dodds was impossible. Dodds also should have realized that he was a member of a partnership of universities who were trying to market themselves as a conference. If he could not realize that, then that it is on him.

Edited May 6, 2020 by Jabberwocky

[formermav43 4599]

2 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

They tried negotiating, then they left when they realized negotiating with Dodds was impossible.

Yeah, that’s not what happened.

[Jabberwocky 1666]

Just now, formermav43 said:

Yeah, that’s not what happened.

Yeah, that is exactly what happened.

[formermav43 4599]

1 minute ago, Jabberwocky said:

Yeah, that is exactly what happened.

[Jabberwocky 1666]

4 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

Do you think four universities just left the conference in a span of two years because of their own stupidity, or whimsical disillusionment? The Big 12 was a very entertaining conference, and could have been extremely marketable. Why would four prestigious universities just suddenly cut bait and head to situations that are not as ideal in the long run? You are blinded by your fandom, but I will not hold that against you. I just wish we could have handled things differently, because now the conference sucks and our conference options suck as well.

Edited May 6, 2020 by Jabberwocky

[formermav43 4599]

11 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

Do you think four universities just left the conference in a span of two years because of their own stupidity, or whimsical disillusionment? 

I don’t merely think that, that’s precisely what happened in the case of Nebraska and aggy. The rest was just fallout.

But there’s no need to rehash this again. 
 

For the record, I think the conference is fine. I don’t miss anyone who left, and TCU (and, to a lesser extent, WVU) have put better products on the field than those teams too. If you aren’t blinded by the logos, the actual product is better.

Edited May 6, 2020 by formermav43

[Armybrat 40464]

The reasons for Nebraska, Colorado, & Mizzou leaving are well documented. The latter two had been planning to leave the Big 8 well before the Big 12 was formed. How that could be Blamed on Dodds is ludicrous. A&M as consistently stated left the Big 12 because of their Big Brother Syndrome. Blaming it on the Longhorn Network was the excuse, but that has been debunked.

 

[Jabberwocky 1666]

Just now, formermav43 said:

I don’t merely think that, that’s precisely what happened in the case of Nebraska and aggy.

You need to take your orange glasses off once in a while, and take a realistic look at the situation.

[formermav43 4599]

2 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

You need to take your orange glasses off once in a while, and take a realistic look at the situation.

The truth has a burnt orange bias in this case.

There’s no point in arguing this. It’s been well documented.

Edited May 6, 2020 by formermav43

[Jabberwocky 1666]

7 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

The latter two had been planning to leave the Big 8 well before the Big 12 was formed. How that could be Blamed on Dodds is ludicrous. A&M as consistently stated left the Big 12 because of their Big Brother Syndrome.

You can keep telling yourself this over and over while we continue to evaluate our shitty conference affiliation options. It does not make things any better for anyone, and does not align with, or reconcile, the observable evidence. What would have been better is an intact Big 12 conference.

Edited May 6, 2020 by Jabberwocky

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18 hours ago, Zone Read said:

If any of the recruits from the last time aggy won a NC are even still living, they're probably back in diapers.

[3shot 139]

Not only is the jabberwocky dude a fucking idiot, he's also a thin-skinned little bitch.  Lulz.

[Armybrat 40464]

12 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

You can keep telling yourself this over and over while we continue to evaluate our shitty conference affiliation options. It does not make things any better for anyone, and does not align with, or reconcile, the observable evidence. What would have been better is an intact Big 12 conference.

You can keep denying it until the corn is harvested. Doesn’t change what was going on.

[Armybrat 40464]

Just now, 3shot said:

Not only is the jabberwocky dude a fucking idiot, he's also a thin-skinned little bitch.  Lulz.

Not necessary, as the truth just hasn’t set deniers free yet.

[Jabberwocky 1666]

Just now, 3shot said:

Not only is the jabberwocky dude a fucking idiot, he's also a thin-skinned little bitch.

I just gave you what you are dishing out. No need to cry about it.

[Randolph Duke 4034]

2 hours ago, Jabberwocky said:

I simply do not believe this, and it seems very disingenuous at best. The fact was that he often negotiated with conference members harshly behind closed doors, and then would publicly announce through the media that he gave them all a fair shot.

Your complaint against Deloss is that he was a tough negotiator and he sometimes used the press to his advantage!? 

Wow.

 

[Newy25 7590]

1 hour ago, Jabberwocky said:

Do you think four universities just left the conference in a span of two years because of their own stupidity, or whimsical disillusionment? 

As it turns out, yes. That's exactly what happened. 

[TwiceHorn 30715]

6 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

Your complaint against Deloss is that he was a tough negotiator and he sometimes used the press to his advantage!? 

Wow.

 

I didn't read the initial post as even being critical of Dodds.  But I see now that I misread it.

[Jabberwocky 1666]

49 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

Your complaint against Deloss is that he was a tough negotiator and he sometimes used the press to his advantage!? 

That is an overly simplistic characterization, only employed to avoid the obvious topic of discussion. He negotiated harshly with other members of the conference, to the effect that they thought their best option was to leave. Why not simply confess that the conference was pretty damn awsome, as was configured, and it would have been best to work with our business partners?

[Jabberwocky 1666]

58 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

As it turns out, yes. That's exactly what happened.

Again, this idea is either tremendously naive, or fantastically disingenuous.

[totallynotabuttpirate 5294]

2 hours ago, Jabberwocky said:

Why would four prestigious universities just suddenly cut bait and head to situations that are not as ideal in the long run?........

Edited May 6, 2020 by totallynotabuttpirate

[Jabberwocky 1666]

Just now, totallynotabuttpirate said:

Compared to TCU, WVU, UH, UC, BYU, or whatever expansion candidates have been thrown out there?

[Randolph Duke 4034]

13 minutes ago, Jabberwocky said:

That is an overly simplistic characterization, only employed to avoid the obvious topic of discussion. He negotiated harshly with other members of the conference, to the effect that they thought their best option was to leave. Why not simply confess that the conference was pretty damn awsome, as was configured, and it would have been best to work with our business partners?

If it was “awesome,” it was awesome for some, and less special for others. Personally, I think it was a temporary fix from the start that was bound to change membership sooner, as opposed to later. 

At the end of the day, all four of the schools who left the Big 12 did what they felt they had to do, and none of them have performed better than they did in the B12. They gained what they gained and paid a price for having done so. 

I don’t have a bit of warmth for any of the four schools. Never liked Nebraska, have no opinion on CU, was glad to get rid of Mizzou, and am thrilled the white trash rednecks no longer desecrate the sacred grass of the UT campus. 

[RollLeft 5038]

2 hours ago, Jabberwocky said:

Do you think four universities just left the conference in a span of two years because of their own stupidity, or whimsical disillusionment? The Big 12 was a very entertaining conference, and could have been extremely marketable. Why would four prestigious universities just suddenly cut bait and head to situations that are not as ideal in the long run? You are blinded by your fandom, but I will not hold that against you. I just wish we could have handled things differently, because now the conference sucks and our conference options suck as well.

Trolls gonna troll.  Probably an aggy.  Nebraskas poor and small tv market was a better fit for the socialistic B10 that gives you what you don't bring to the table.  Same for Mizz but they weren't smart enough for the B10 so they went with the dumb SEC.  AtM couldn't afford toilet paper either but they left because they "hoped" to get out of the shadow of Texas and become something.  Haha, so much for that.  Now two conferences know what idiots they are.   

[formermav43 4599]

User name checks out.

[Jabberwocky 1666]

15 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

Trolls gonna troll.  Probably an aggy.

I mean, if you want the definition of a troll post, just look at your own. You categorically dismissed and trashed a message board poster and a bunch of schools for no real reason, except for the fact that it makes you feel better about yourself to do so. I guess that we can all sit here and continue to pretend that it was not a better Big 12 when they were members, that it does not suck now, and that we have great prospects for member expansion going into the future. That makes the current situation absolutely perfect, and absolves Deloss of any fault in the matter completely.

[LTtxfan 48688]

Siap...

 

[Tex Pete 20019]

17 hours ago, Jabberwocky said:

They tried negotiating, then they left when they realized negotiating with Dodds was impossible. 

That’s a lie. In fact, aggy was negotiating with the SEC for over a year before they let anyone in the Big 12 know about it, and then lied about that. 

[GHOSTUSER 361]

17 hours ago, formermav43 said:

I don’t merely think that, that’s precisely what happened in the case of Nebraska and aggy. The rest was just fallout.

But there’s no need to rehash this again. 
 

For the record, I think the conference is fine. I don’t miss anyone who left, and TCU (and, to a lesser extent, WVU) have put better products on the field than those teams too. If you aren’t blinded by the logos, the actual product is better.

Nebraska was a huge loss. Yes I know they haven't been close to what they were under Osborne but they are still a blue blood in football and their name, history and tradition still pulls a lot of weight. Miss playing them.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

20 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

That’s a lie. In fact, aggy was negotiating with the SEC for over a year before they let anyone in the Big 12 know about it, and then lied about that. 

Didn't aggy start negotiating with the SEC after we flirted with the Pac 10? Mizzou started the mess by looking to jump to the B1G. Then we were leading the negotiations to take OU, OSU and Tech to the Pac 10 and then aggy got butthurt about getting roped into the Pac 10 before we pulled out of those talks. They felt they would not be a cultural fit and started looking at the SEC. Correct me if I am wrong on that.

Edited May 7, 2020 by Iconoclast Texan

[Baconboy 135]

Aggy started flirting with the SEC in 1991, if not earlier, when it was becoming clear the SWC wasn't going to last. To be fair, UT was flirting with the SEC, Pac 10, and Big 10 at the same time. Arky obviously made the first move, and Frank Broyles made it clear he wanted UT and A&M to eventually join Arky in the SEC. Any talk of Arky leaving to get away from UT is pure revisionist history.

When the SWC imploded, UT's hope was to join the Pac and A&M wanted to join the SEC. Both wanted to stay together so the compromise was a marriage of convenience with the Big 8. That marriage has worked out about how you'd expect since many of the members had their eye on another partner from the beginning (CU/Pac, A&M/SEC, Mizzou/Big 10 (even though they had to settle for the SEC), UT flirting with the Pac). 

Not trying to derail the discussion into conference realignment. Just pointing out that none of this is new, none of it should have been a surprise, and nobody "suddenly cut bait" as described above.

Edited May 7, 2020 by Baconboy

[BevoSwag 272]

42 minutes ago, Baconboy said:

Aggy started flirting with the SEC in 1991, if not earlier, when it was becoming clear the SWC wasn't going to last. To be fair, UT was flirting with the SEC, Pac 10, and Big 10 at the same time. Arky obviously made the first move, and Frank Broyles made it clear he wanted UT and A&M to eventually join Arky in the SEC. Any talk of Arky leaving to get away from UT is pure revisionist history.

When the SWC imploded, UT's hope was to join the Pac and A&M wanted to join the SEC. Both wanted to stay together so the compromise was a marriage of convenience with the Big 8. That marriage has worked out about how you'd expect since many of the members had their eye on another partner from the beginning (CU/Pac, A&M/SEC, Mizzou/Big 10 (even though they had to settle for the SEC), UT flirting with the Pac). 

Not trying to derail the discussion into conference realignment. Just pointing out that none of this is new, none of it should have been a surprise, and nobody "suddenly cut bait" as described above.

Your first paragraph is spot on.  I take issue with some parts of the second paragraph.  I never fully understood UT and aggy's positioning when Broyles broke away.  I do know for fact Broyles thought he had an agreement with UT and aggy to follow.  Not sure if that was with Royal or Dodds.  I seriously cannot see Dodds ever agreeing to go the SEC.  AS I recall it wasn't UT or aggy wanting to go to SEC so much as it was the the TEXAS LEGISLATURE that quashed any move away from SWC.

[Armybrat 40464]

1 hour ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Nebraska was a huge loss. Yes I know they haven't been close to what they were under Osborne but they are still a blue blood in football and their name, history and tradition still pulls a lot of weight. Miss beating them 90% of the time

Fify

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

1 hour ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Nebraska was a huge loss. Yes I know they haven't been close to what they were under Osborne but they are still a blue blood in football and their name, history and tradition still pulls a lot of weight. Miss playing them.

the Nebraska that was a huge loss doesn't exist any more, it's a figment of euphoric recall

[hornbri 1345]

7 minutes ago, BevoSwag said:

  AS I recall it wasn't UT or aggy wanting to go to SEC so much as it was the the TEXAS LEGISLATURE that quashed any move away from SWC.

I dont think it was as much the legislature trying to quash the move to the SEC as it was that they did not want the other schools (Baylor and Tech specifically) left behind. At the time those alumni had very strong roles in Austin. 

[Armybrat 40464]

Governor Ann Richards & Speaker Pete Laney  made sure the bears snd Raiders were not left behind

 

[hornbri 1345]

Don't forget Bob Bullock