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14 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

I think he meant the disconnect between the actual dates of something happening and the date we celebrate being incongruent. e.g. July 4th isn't when we had freedom, though we celebrate it like it was V-Day for the revolution.

In that case Juneteenth makes far more sense because it’s a day that the people in Texas were unequivocally no longer slaves. His comment was that neither made sense. 

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We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

(In case anyone is confused why we celebrate July 4th and not the date when Great Britian called it quits)

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It is a holiday celebrating liberty.
I'm in.

I do get a kick out of co-workers' look of astonishment when told the story about the situation from which it originated.  A lot of folks, even Texans, have not a clue.  Granted, the situation is not something to be proud of- it was 2 freaking months after the War ended, I do like what the holiday represents today.

If you really want to freak them out, tell them Texans went to war twice to preserve slavery. The first time after Mexico outlawed it on September 15, 1929.

My family has some skeletons in the genealogical closet.
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I first learned about Juneteenth in 1995, when I as a 13 year old Nebraskan was visiting my Aunt and Uncle who farm near Giddings. My Uncle explained the history to me, and then I was introduced to brisket(the dish, not the poster) for the first time when we went over to a guy he knew that was celebrating by feeding smoked meats in his shed. Seemed to me like everyone should have adopted Juneteenth a lot faster if that was how it was celebrated.

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His lack of any actually policy is astounding. He’s called a populist sometimes but is shitting on working people having a day off. People talk about a 4 day work week but if I were king I’d just add more holidays, at least two per month, have a fan poll on what to celebrate, just give me more days to sleep in and fire up the grill.

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14 hours ago, ztejas said:

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

(In case anyone is confused why we celebrate July 4th and not the date when Great Britian called it quits)

You are a moron

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On 6/19/2025 at 4:19 PM, Iceman said:

I do get a kick out of co-workers' look of astonishment when told the story about the situation from which it originated.  A lot of folks, even Texans, have not a clue.  Granted, the situation is not something to be proud of- it was 2 freaking months after the War ended, I do like what the holiday represents today.

On 6/19/2025 at 5:54 PM, BearSchlong said:

If you really want to freak them out, tell them Texans went to war twice to preserve slavery. The first time after Mexico outlawed it on September 15, 1929.

My family has some skeletons in the genealogical closet.

If you want to freak those types out, read this to them and I’ve probably posted it here before  Texans didn’t beat around the hush when it comes to why they wanted to secede. Texas in 1861 literally declared that slavery should exist for all time.

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/secession/2feb1861.html

DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861
A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union.

The government of the United States, by certain joint resolutions, bearing date the 1st day of March, in the year A.D. 1845, proposed to the Republic of Texas, then a free, sovereign and independent nation, the annexation of the latter to the former as one of the co-equal States thereof,

The people of Texas, by deputies in convention assembled, on the fourth day of July of the same year, assented to and accepted said proposals and formed a constitution for the proposed State, upon which on the 29th day of December in the same year, said State was formally admitted into the Confederated Union.

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated States to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility [sic] and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slave-holding States

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On 6/19/2025 at 4:03 PM, 'stache said:

How so? It seems to me that Juneteenth makes more sense than July 4, because the delcaration on July 4 wasn't really effective until we won the Revolutionary War on September 3, 1783. The Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863, wasn't effective in most of the south during the civil war but on June 19, 1865, it was enforced in Texas, after the civil war. It's regional of course but has come to be recognized nationwide since it represented one of, if not the last places that the Emancipation Proclamation was enforced.

Also the emancipation proclamation did not free the slaves in the 4 states that remained in the Union….

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