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47 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

Stoops to Brown 

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Pardon the language, but this clip reminds me of Mack, Charlie and Herman:

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And when we beat OU:

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Posted
3 hours ago, MrBig said:

Pardon the language, but this clip reminds me of Mack, Charlie and Herman:

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And when we beat OU:

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That top one will never disappoint. Language or not, that shit hits hard and you can't help laugh. 

This is Stoops after Mack let him in. 

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Posted (edited)
8 hours ago, Codaxx said:

OL was not bad last year. This is just wrong. Little banged up late at Tackle, but you cannot compare last year's OL to this years. Pass blocking is just another level. 

Sark has moved to a progression quick passing game and Manning is very good at that. We have seen a lot less of the immediate pressure the last 5 quarters, but they are no where near as good as the OL last year (Baker is really trending up, I dont think people are giving him credit). Its the reason people are coming out saying Arch now looks like what they expected. 

I'm not sure what you think a good O-line is but we were not good. We couldn't run the football against high level opponents. We had way too many penalties. I think we lead the league in holding if I am not mistaken and we had way too many busts. Banks was good, but everywhere else was an issue, especially Cam Williams. We were talked up coming off 2023 largely because Big12 but it was pretty apparent early that the SEC was a different animal. Cam Williams got drafted strictly on measurables. A good Oline is Bama at their peak, or 2023 Michigan. I think we've been so mediocre on the line for so long that people are just okay with meh at this point. 

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Posted
7 hours ago, UTEE97 said:

We have a few good receivers but nobody is elite and there is no safety blanket at the TE position. When things broke down, Quinn was often bailed out by Sanders and Helm. Arch doesn't have that luxury. 

Eh. Not as much the last couple games but I’ve seen a LOT of open Endries not being seen or being passed over for a tougher throw. I do think he’s a notch below though.

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Posted
34 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I'm not sure what you think a good O-line is but we were not good. We couldn't run the football against high level opponents. We had way too many penalties. I think we lead the league in holding if I am not mistaken and we had way too many busts. Banks was good, but everywhere else was an issue, especially Cam Williams. We were talked up coming off 2023 largely because Big12 but it was pretty apparent early that the SEC was a different animal. Cam Williams got drafted strictly on measurables. A good Oline is Bama at their peak, or 2023 Michigan. I think we've been so mediocre on the line for so long that people are just okay with meh at this point. 

the problem with everyone when talking about our oline is they compare it to the elite of the elite and were not there right now especially with new starters.  most olines struggle when playing good defenses. well get better with experience and development im thinking. y'all should watch more college football besides texas and you'll see most college teams have shitty olines. or should I say normal college offensive lines. and yes I wish we were elite like you say. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Hookem10 said:

the problem with everyone when talking about our oline is they compare it to the elite of the elite and were not there right now especially with new starters.  most olines struggle when playing good defenses. well get better with experience and development im thinking. y'all should watch more college football besides texas and you'll see most college teams have shitty olines. or should I say normal college offensive lines. and yes I wish we were elite like you say. 

We ran for 29 yards vs Georgia the first time. We ran for 31 vs Georgia the second time. We ran for 53 yards vs Arizona fuckn State. We ran for 58 yards vs Ohio State. There is struggling and then there is that. We also allowed a lot of sacks, and before you say Quinn, Arched got sacked a lot too. Quinn got sacked every 13.9 pass attempts and Arch got sacked every 13. Relatively the same. Think about this. We played 4 elite teams last year and got outrushed in all of them despite having the better D. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Thatguy said:

I'm not sure what you think a good O-line is but we were not good. We couldn't run the football against high level opponents. We had way too many penalties. I think we lead the league in holding if I am not mistaken and we had way too many busts. Banks was good, but everywhere else was an issue, especially Cam Williams. We were talked up coming off 2023 largely because Big12 but it was pretty apparent early that the SEC was a different animal. Cam Williams got drafted strictly on measurables. A good Oline is Bama at their peak, or 2023 Michigan. I think we've been so mediocre on the line for so long that people are just okay with meh at this point. 

No one is OK with that shit Flood is trotting and has been for the past 5 seasons. He's gone after this season, anyway. Thankfully. Let's hope Sark finds a guy who can punch above their weight and get more 4/5* linemen than 3* projects. And development is key. The guy has to be able to develop, even in his first year with what Flood has left him. Sark is not keeping that lazy retread around simply because CDC doesn't like losing, and he has functioning eyes like the rest of us. 

We see what Arch can do with competent line play, not even high-level linemen. If he can get dudes that will push motherfuckers around, watch out. Plus that will open up the run game, and if that happens, we're cooking with arson. 

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Posted
9 hours ago, Hank_Hill said:

Eh. Not as much the last couple games but I’ve seen a LOT of open Endries not being seen or being passed over for a tougher throw. I do think he’s a notch below though.

Endries would have insane stats with Quinn at QB 

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Posted (edited)
8 hours ago, Hookem10 said:

the problem with everyone when talking about our oline is they compare it to the elite of the elite and were not there right now especially with new starters.  most olines struggle when playing good defenses. well get better with experience and development im thinking. y'all should watch more college football besides texas and you'll see most college teams have shitty olines. or should I say normal college offensive lines. and yes I wish we were elite like you say. 

Do most teams have the resources Texas has and the investment in the roster we have? The line this year is Unacceptable and the line we had the past 2 years was above average. Their RB blocking was dog shit most of the time but they were good pass blockers. We should be comparing our OL with the elite of the elite because that’s the kind of line Sarks offense requires until he fully commits to going to more spread based offense. 

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Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, Thatguy said:

I'm not sure what you think a good O-line is but we were not good. We couldn't run the football against high level opponents. We had way too many penalties. I think we lead the league in holding if I am not mistaken and we had way too many busts. Banks was good, but everywhere else was an issue, especially Cam Williams. We were talked up coming off 2023 largely because Big12 but it was pretty apparent early that the SEC was a different animal. Cam Williams got drafted strictly on measurables. A good Oline is Bama at their peak, or 2023 Michigan. I think we've been so mediocre on the line for so long that people are just okay with meh at this point. 

CAm Williams was injured at the end of the season. The OSU game was on the staff. Should have played Goosby over an injured Cam. Your opinion of "good" is ridiculous. Michigan 2023 was great. Texas OL finished top 5 in pass pro. They were very good in pass pro. Solid at outside zone, but once teams took that away the run game was over. That said the running game was 3rd in teh SEC in yards per attempt behind Bama and Auburn, who had mobile QBs, in conference play (no padded stats). Saying that was a bad OL is ridiculous. We are seeing what a bad OL looks like this year. Pretending this OL is anywhere near last year's OL is laughable. 

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Posted
34 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

CAm Williams was injured at the end of the season. The OSU game was on the staff. Should have played Goosby over an injured Cam. Your opinion of "good" is ridiculous. Michigan 2023 was great. Texas OL finished top 5 in pass pro. They were very good in pass pro. Solid at outside zone, but once teams took that away the run game was over. That said the running game was 3rd in teh SEC in yards per attempt behind Bama and Auburn, who had mobile QBs, in conference play (no padded stats). Saying that was a bad OL is ridiculous. We are seeing what a bad OL looks like this year. Pretending this OL is anywhere near last year's OL is laughable. 

QFT. Last year’s offensive line was flawed, sure, but still quite good at pass pro and serviceable at run blocking. This year’s offensive line has at times been closer to the Tristan Nickelson and Cam Hughes offensive lines of yore.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

QFT. Last year’s offensive line was flawed, sure, but still quite good at pass pro and serviceable at run blocking. This year’s offensive line has at times been closer to the Tristan Nickelson and Cam Hughes offensive lines of yore.

I mean Wisner was 2nd team all Sec wasn’t he

Posted
16 hours ago, William Bludworth said:

Ted Bundy was slightly more into necrophilia than Gary Ridgeway by comparison. They're still going to be the most dangerous defense we play outside of Ohio State (whom I don't want to count because a. It was game one and Arch looked like he was throwing the ball with a hook for a hand, and b. See 'A'.). Obviously you know this. 

There's a reason we're the underdogs again, and it's not because it's being played at Sanford stadium or they're higher ranked, it's because Kirby owns Sark like Stoops owned Mack. If our OL looks like a clown show with house shoes dipped in WD-40 on an ice skating rink and can't give Arch more time than to give him a microscopic view of their turf, and end up taking a beat down from a team that a coach-less Florida took the wire, the hammering from the media will make a deaf kid singing Whitney Houston look like Ashley Simpson at a karaoke. We simply cannot afford to look incompetent after beating two formerly top 10 ranked teams (where we viewed them is irrelevant, it's just what the polls had them at). 
 

Sark has to beat Kirby at this point in his five seasons. If we go 0-3 against that queef smelling scat fetishist, after now that he's 0-2 against a guy who people should be refreshing the sex offenders registry to see if he's on it yet... There should be no reason at this juncture in his career he should be losing games to teams with equal talent. At worst, he should have one win over him without Saban's hand holding. I don't want to be an absurdist, but it'll start to feel a lot like James Franklin vs Ohio State, or Ryan Day vs Michigan (minus the NC). The Clemson win looks laughable at this point now, and don't get me started on ASU. Alabama was a lifetime ago right now. Great win, but hanging on to that hardware is beginning to look at lot like aggy printing cups over their win again LSU in 2018.

Your prose is quite eloquent. But I do want to chime in to say that the Georgia defense is nothing like they've had in the past.  OU Sucks has a much better defense than them.  Georgia is nowhere to be found in the various defensive statistical leaders.  I believe they rank somewhere in the last quartile in sacks.  Head-to-head, the Horns defense is light years better than Georgia (#nojinx). 

I certainly do agree with you about the coaching matchup though.  Let's hope Sark finally gets past the mental block of choking against the Little Angry Bulldog.

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Texas beating UGA in Athens would be a stunner to nearly all in the CFB world, no matter how it went down. Doing it with Arch playing at a super high level would reignite our program and make the Florida crash seem like a tale from medieval history. 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

CAm Williams was injured at the end of the season. The OSU game was on the staff. Should have played Goosby over an injured Cam. Your opinion of "good" is ridiculous. Michigan 2023 was great. Texas OL finished top 5 in pass pro. Saying that was a bad OL is ridiculous. We are seeing what a bad OL looks like this year. Pretending this OL is anywhere near last year's OL is laughable. 

While I respect the hell out of you 90% of the time, this is where we have a disconnect(PFF numbers). Being "top 5 in pass blocking" is a terrible stat to lean on to support your assertion that the line was good. Why, because being one dimensional is literally THE example of NOT being good. We pile up positive statistics all year long and then when we get in the big games, and cannot run the ball, all the sudden those exemplary pass pro numbers go to shit when you constantly find yourself in long yardage situations. 

For example, Texas was 6 for 18 on 3rd down in the SEC championship game vs Georgia. Here are 11 of those 3rd down yardages. 

3rd and 9

3rd and 14

3rd and 27

3rd and 14

3rd and 26

3rd and 22

3rd and 15

3rd and 10

3rd and 17

3rd and 15

3rd and 10

 

It's a miracle we were 6 for 18 with yardages like that. What we did was pile up stats vs directional schools and bottom feeders and then underperform vs the teams who had equal footing. No one can say that Georgia, Arizona State, or Ohio State had great offensive lines but each time we faced them they were the better unit. In those 4 games we were in 3rd and 8 or more 28 times, went 18-61 on 3rd down because of it, and couldn't run the football. Not surprisingly, we gave up 20 sacks in those four games alone. 

 

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Posted (edited)

 

If you dont like PFF, then use the NFL draft. Majors is on a roster also (Eagles). So you think the OL sucks. PFF thought they were good and 4 of the 5 are on NFL rosters. Should we believe you or PFF and the NFL? 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, El Hornarino said:

Current DFEI

5 - Oklahoma

6 - Iowa (rooting for them v Oregon)

10 - Texas (slipped a lot last couple weeks)

15 - Aggie

16 - Florida

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26 - Georgia

 

 

 

Georgia defense might be one of the worst Kirby has put out there, but it is not a bad defense. Kirby went after Flood's pass pro concepts last year with great success (Florida mimicked it this year). We are using less slide protections since then, but we shall see. One thing people are not mentioning is the Georgia offense is #1 in OFEI. 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, Gut Wagon said:

Texas beating UGA in Athens would be a stunner to nearly all in the CFB world, no matter how it went down. Doing it with Arch playing at a super high level would reignite our program and make the Florida crash seem like a tale from medieval history. 

I mean.....

We would not be the first or only team ever to have a WTF loss and still make the playoffs.  It is very hard for emotional 18-22 year olds to sustain it for 12 games in 3 months. 

2014 Ohio State vs. VT
2015 - OU vs. Texas
2018 Ohio State vs. Purdue
2024 ND vs. NIU

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

 

If you dont like PFF, then use the NFL draft. Majors is on a roster also (Eagles). So you think the OL sucks. PFF thought they were good and 4 of the 5 are on NFL rosters. Should we believe you or PFF and the NFL? 

We should believe results in games vs high level opponents. You know, like Georgia twice, and the teams we played in the Elite 8 and Semis. Cam Williams got drafted as a project because he is a mountain of a man. Good tackles don't go in the 6th round. 

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Just now, Thatguy said:

We should believe results in games vs high level opponents. You know, like Georgia twice, and the teams we played in the Elite 8 and Semis. Cam Williams got drafted as a project because he is a mountain of a man. Good tackles don't go in the 6th round. 

Georgia and OSU were elite. Good college players go in the 6th round all the time. That is only 1 of the tackles. The one you were talking about was dealing with knee issues, some think chronic knee issue was why he left early. Not surprising that he went 6th round. He did get a 72.6 pass vlocker grade and a 70.8 grade as a run blocker. He would be a welcomed addition to this OL. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I mean.....

We would not be the first or only team ever to have a WTF loss and still make the playoffs.  It is very hard for emotional 18-22 year olds to sustain it for 12 games in 3 months. 

2014 Ohio State vs. VT
2015 - OU vs. Texas
2018 Ohio State vs. Purdue
2024 ND vs. NIU

All true, but Texas has brought upon itself the extra burden of proving recent stumbles aren't just continuations of being "soft" or "underachieving." OSU and Michigan were in the same boat until they finally broke through. We'll remain in that category until we add to the big strides we made in Tuscaloosa or Ann Arbor instead of our recent stumbles as favorites in Gainesville, Starkville or Lexington. Hopefully Arch now can help us break through on the road against a QB we sadly failed to beat 11 months ago. 

 

Posted
32 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

We should believe results in games vs high level opponents. You know, like Georgia twice, and the teams we played in the Elite 8 and Semis. Cam Williams got drafted as a project because he is a mountain of a man. Good tackles don't go in the 6th round. 

Good college tackles often don't get drafted. 6th round is still NFL. And we still have 4 of the five from last year in the NFL. Our line was a good pass blocking line that could zone block effectively at times. They weren't maulers. But it was still a very good college line, just not elite. 

Posted
53 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

While I respect the hell out of you 90% of the time, this is where we have a disconnect(PFF numbers). Being "top 5 in pass blocking" is a terrible stat to lean on to support your assertion that the line was good. Why, because being one dimensional is literally THE example of NOT being good. We pile up positive statistics all year long and then when we get in the big games, and cannot run the ball, all the sudden those exemplary pass pro numbers go to shit when you constantly find yourself in long yardage situations. 

For example, Texas was 6 for 18 on 3rd down in the SEC championship game vs Georgia. Here are 11 of those 3rd down yardages. 

3rd and 9

3rd and 14

3rd and 27

3rd and 14

3rd and 26

3rd and 22

3rd and 15

3rd and 10

3rd and 17

3rd and 15

3rd and 10

 

It's a miracle we were 6 for 18 with yardages like that. What we did was pile up stats vs directional schools and bottom feeders and then underperform vs the teams who had equal footing. No one can say that Georgia, Arizona State, or Ohio State had great offensive lines but each time we faced them they were the better unit. In those 4 games we were in 3rd and 8 or more 28 times, went 18-61 on 3rd down because of it, and couldn't run the football. Not surprisingly, we gave up 20 sacks in those four games alone. 

 

The point is that the OL this year is a huge downgrade from last season, are you really going to argue that it isn't?

Posted
1 hour ago, Js1 said:

I mean.....

We would not be the first or only team ever to have a WTF loss and still make the playoffs.  It is very hard for emotional 18-22 year olds to sustain it for 12 games in 3 months. 

2014 Ohio State vs. VT
2015 - OU vs. Texas
2018 Ohio State vs. Purdue
2024 ND vs. NIU

Alabama got their shit pushed in by a very average FSU team a few months ago and the committee has them at #4 (and the highest rated 1-loss team). They are completely willing to overlook a bad loss if the rest of the resume is there 

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Posted
53 minutes ago, elguapo said:

The point is that the OL this year is a huge downgrade from last season, are you really going to argue that it isn't?

The OL is a huge downgrade but it’s not a downgrade from a good or elite line. It’s a downgrade to an above average to good pass blocking line and a bad run blocking line. 

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Posted (edited)

Wisner averaged 4.7 yards per carry last season, this season he's averaging 3.8. The OL last season struggled running the ball in games against elite front 7s, but it wasn't a bad run blocking OL.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

In what round do good QB's go?

6th too. Brady was drafted in the 6th

1 hour ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

You can nit pick all you want, but every skill position player and offensive coach on this team would crawl through glass to have last year’s offensive line. 

And Arch would crawl through grass to have last years skill players

Posted
10 hours ago, Thatguy said:

We ran for 29 yards vs Georgia the first time. We ran for 31 vs Georgia the second time. We ran for 53 yards vs Arizona fuckn State. We ran for 58 yards vs Ohio State. There is struggling and then there is that. We also allowed a lot of sacks, and before you say Quinn, Arched got sacked a lot too. Quinn got sacked every 13.9 pass attempts and Arch got sacked every 13. Relatively the same. Think about this. We played 4 elite teams last year and got outrushed in all of them despite having the better D. 

Sark must be a wizard on offense since we should have beat Georgia second time if we make one field goal and about to tie Ohio st late in the at game. Not bad for a dogshit oline. 

Posted
20 minutes ago, elguapo said:

Wisner averaged 4.7 yards per carry last season, this season he's averaging 3.8. The OL last season struggled running the ball in games against elite front 7s, but it wasn't a bad run blocking OL.

yes also when Quinn would struggle late in games we would just Wisner our way to victory and they knew it was handoffs over and over and couldn't stop it..

Posted
15 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

6th too. Brady was drafted in the 6th

And Arch would crawl through grass to have last years skill players

Bermuda or zoysia? Which one gets you itchier so it’s more painful? 

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Posted
13 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Too soon.

I hope Nickelson has a good sense of humor because he's become the poster boy for oafish stumbling-bear incompetence. 

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Posted
30 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

In what round do good QB's go?

Kind of depends on your definition of "good".  With a very small % of college players ever earning an NFL paycheck, that puts any NFL player in rare air.  Most of the good college players never see the NFL.  Texas fans get grumpy when every position doesn't have stacked elite NFL talent.  Silly perspective, but it's par for the course.     

Posted
1 hour ago, elguapo said:

Wisner averaged 4.7 yards per carry last season, this season he's averaging 3.8. The OL last season struggled running the ball in games against elite front 7s, but it wasn't a bad run blocking OL.

Bijan averaged 5.8 and 6.1 ypc. His offensive lines just have been amazing!

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Posted
25 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Bijan averaged 5.8 and 6.1 ypc. His offensive lines just have been amazing!

This is like trying to debate with my 11 year old, no thanks.

Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, elguapo said:

This is like trying to debate with my 11 year old, no thanks.

Using YPC to determine if a line is good at run blocking is just a a dumb way to look at the effectiveness and how good they are. 

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