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17 hours ago, BLKNSTY said:


Israelis, child sex crimes on US soil, and the ability to get away scott-free with the help of the US gov is basically a right enshrined in the constitution.

There is almost a total US media blackout on this situation. Completely captured by Israeli interests.

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Historically in favor of US economic support for Israel.  Now, I hope we never give one more American dollar to the country.  They can stand or fall on their own and defend themselves without our help.  I expect that new generations of US politicians coming up will feel the same way and Israel's status as our ally will shift dramatically in popular opinion.  The next generation of US citizens and their representatives will have a much starker memory of the country's current actions than they do of their grandparents' memories of what happened in WWII.  

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21 minutes ago, Disco Strangler said:

Historically in favor of US economic support for Israel.  Now, I hope we never give one more American dollar to the country.  They can stand or fall on their own and defend themselves without our help.  I expect that new generations of US politicians coming up will feel the same way and Israel's status as our ally will shift dramatically in popular opinion.  The next generation of US citizens and their representatives will have a much starker memory of the country's current actions than they do of their grandparents' memories of what happened in WWII.  

I was generally in favor until Netanyahu's [2nd] government. If they want to actually behave like an ally, stop interfering in our elections, stop doing apartheid/genocide/whatever other war crimes you can name, stop brazenly and illegally stealing Palestinian land and homes, I'm all for treating them like one.

If they stopped doing that shit, they would find out really quickly how amenable their neighbors actually are to having normalized relations. If they don't, and they lose our support, they will find out really quickly just how alone they have made themselves in the world.

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42 minutes ago, Disco Strangler said:

Historically in favor of US economic support for Israel.  Now, I hope we never give one more American dollar to the country.  They can stand or fall on their own and defend themselves without our help.  I expect that new generations of US politicians coming up will feel the same way and Israel's status as our ally will shift dramatically in popular opinion.  The next generation of US citizens and their representatives will have a much starker memory of the country's current actions than they do of their grandparents' memories of what happened in WWII.  

Agree, plus, Israel is not some developing nation anymore. There is no reason to trust-fund baby a 35 year old. In this environment and geopolitical reality, Israel can more than defend their own interests with their own funding. 

Now, if anything materially changes in that reality (e.g. The Arab Nations band together to wipe out Israel or something) then that sentiment of economic support can be revisited. Odds are very unlikely moving forward, however.

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59 minutes ago, Disco Strangler said:

Historically in favor of US economic support for Israel.  Now, I hope we never give one more American dollar to the country.  They can stand or fall on their own and defend themselves without our help.  I expect that new generations of US politicians coming up will feel the same way and Israel's status as our ally will shift dramatically in popular opinion.  The next generation of US citizens and their representatives will have a much starker memory of the country's current actions than they do of their grandparents' memories of what happened in WWII.  

It's not just "memories of what happened in WWII" that historically justify our sponsorship of Israel.  There were certain Cold-War realities that made it advisable.  Syria, Egypt, and Iraq were in the Soviet camp during much of the Cold War.  Israel served as a necessary Western counterweight in the Levant.

But the Cold War has been over for more than 30 years.  And while we still want to restrict Russian influence in the Eastern Mediterranean, Isreal isn't exactly the best vehicle (or even a good vehicle) toward accomplishing that.

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2 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

It's not just "memories of what happened in WWII" that historically justify our sponsorship of Israel.

We never gave a fuck about this, and neither did the British. It was always strategic.

(I agree with you, just making a note of that)

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